"under their heel in the occupied territory "

[Guest Peeves]

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How many countries 'occupy disputed territories that we never hear about?

We hear about conflict or civil war centered on the Darfur region of Sudan.

We seldom if ever hear of the Arab occupation of Moracco.

Morocco has occupied it in defiance of the UN since 1975. The UN force also polices a ceasefire that has held since 1991, whereby the Moroccan forces remain behind a sand wall in the West of the occupied territory. The Saharawi fighters of the Polisario Front move freely about the rest of the zone.

The bulk of the Saharawis (about 160,000 people) live in refugee camps in Algeria. They survive on the grace and favour of the UN and a range of mainly European humanitarian organisations. King Mohamed VI of Morocco confessed earlier this year that Morocco’s promise eventually to go along with the UN peace process in Western Sahara amounted to little more than a stalling tactic. Meanwhile, thorough work by Minurso in compiling the voters’ roll has foiled Rabat’s attempt to manipulate the process by pouring Moroccan settlers into the occupied territory and registering them as voters. Moroccans are, however, well aware that the Saharawis under their heel in the occupied territory would vote with their refugee compatriots in the camps, and they have no intention of going through with the referendum, which was proposed by the UN Security Council, let alone accepting its outcome.

Morocco’s defiant stand on Western Sahara has exacerbated its relations with neighbouring Algeria, which supports and shelters the Saharawis and has paralysed the Maghreb Arab Union comprising Mauritania, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya. Morocco has, however, staked everything on France and the United States managing to strong-arm the Saharawis into accepting less than complete independence. The Saharawis, with the consistent support of Algeria, reject any notion of a partial or conditional independence should the people opt for Morocco’s departure. Herein lies the deadlock: Morocco cannot risk withdrawing its troops from the occupied territory and have them return to a kingdom that has unemployment approaching 40%, because it fears that idle soldiers would only contribute to the seething discontent over the new king’s failure to deliver promised reforms.

[jbg]

You know full well that there is only one occupation that bothers Western press and intellectuals. And the strange thing is, there's nothing that these liberals would be happy about if the "Palestinians" got their way, other than the demise of more Jews.

[dre]

You know full well that there is only one occupation that bothers Western press and intellectuals. And the strange thing is, there's nothing that these liberals would be happy about if the "Palestinians" got their way, other than the demise of more Jews.

[bud]

You know full well that there is only one occupation that bothers Western press and intellectuals. And the strange thing is, there's nothing that these liberals would be happy about if the "Palestinians" got their way, other than the demise of more Jews.

you are such a frightened little boy.

[GostHacked]

You know full well that there is only one occupation that bothers Western press and intellectuals. And the strange thing is, there's nothing that these liberals would be happy about if the "Palestinians" got their way, other than the demise of more Jews.

There is a reason the western media focuses on Israel/Palestine over other occupied territories. You can blame/thank the Jews for that.

[Guest Peeves]

There is a reason the western media focuses on Israel/Palestine over other occupied territories. You can blame/thank the Jews for that.

You can blame/thank the Jews for that.

Not really, you can blame anti-Semites since all criticizing is biased and one sided. An excellent example. If 10,000 missiles are fired into Israeli civilians, only the Israeli surgical response is condemned as disproportionate response.

Now that might be the case since obviously a proportionate response would be the return fire by the Israeli's of a similar 10,000 missiles into the Arab populace would it not?

Actually I was asking about the 'occupied disputed territories' we don't hear about, not those we do seemingly every other day.

What about:

he Kuril Islands dispute (Russian: Спор о принадлежности Курильских островов), also known as the Northern Territories dispute (Japanese: 北方領土問題 Hoppō Ryōdo Mondai?), is a dispute between Japan and Russia over sovereignty over the South Kuril Islands. The disputed islands, which were occupied by Soviet forces during the Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation at the end of World War II, are under Russian administration as South Kuril District of the Sakhalin Oblas

Or..Tibet, Nepal, and Ceylon

And more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes

Of course they aren't suitable targets for anti-Semites so they go unheeded.

Maybe we should give equal consideration to the rest of the world ?

Just asking.

Edited April 16, 2012 by Peeves

[GostHacked]

Not really, you can blame anti-Semites since all criticizing is biased and one sided. An excellent example. If 10,000 missiles are fired into Israeli civilians, only the Israeli surgical response is condemned as disproportionate response.

Now that might be the case since obviously a proportionate response would be the return fire by the Israeli's of a similar 10,000 missiles into the Arab populace would it not?

Actually I was asking about the 'occupied disputed territories' we don't hear about, not those we do seemingly every other day.

What about:

Or..Tibet, Nepal, and Ceylon

And more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes

Of course they aren't suitable targets for anti-Semites so they go unheeded.

Maybe we should give equal consideration to the rest of the world ?

Just asking.

You can ask, but the focus will be on Israel/Palestine. When you have huge lobby groups like AIPAC being the force that they are, then you can indeed blame the Jews for bringing this to the spotlight and have it stay there.

Same reason we see the crap with Iran regarding Israel.

Being Anti-Israel does not mean being Anti-Jewish (we can ditch the term anti-semite, because there are semites that are not jews.

[DogOnPorch]

Being Anti-Israel does not mean being Anti-Jewish (we can ditch the term anti-semite, because there are semites that are not jews.

[jbg]

There is a reason the western media focuses on Israel/Palestine over other occupied territories. You can blame/thank the Jews for that.

Meaning?

[jbg]

you are such a frightened little boy.

You'd be frightened expressing your views in an Arab-run Palestine.

[dre]

Or..Tibet, Nepal, and Ceylon

And more...

http://en.wikipedia....torial_disputes

Of course they aren't suitable targets for anti-Semites so they go unheeded.

Those are completely different situations. Its stupid to even try to compare them.

Its should be pretty damn easy for ANYONE with a brain to understand why westerners (whether they are pro or anti Israel) are more focused on the ISPAL conflict than the Kuriles . One of them has resulted in 50+ years of almost constant violence, with a steady stream of content in the news cycle to keep westerners focused on it. The other one... hasnt.

[DogOnPorch]

Those are completely different situations. Its stupid to even try to compare them.

Its should be pretty damn easy for ANYONE with a brain to understand why westerners (whether they are pro or anti Israel) are more focused on the ISPAL conflict than the Kuriles . One of them has resulted in 50+ years of almost constant violence, with a steady stream of content in the news cycle to keep westerners focused on it. The other one... hasnt.

Right. Where's the peace flotilla to Syria again? Dry dock?

[dre]

Right. Where's the peace flotilla to Syria again? Dry dock?

There was no peace flotillas a year into CONFLICT:DIRTFARM HOLYLAND either.

Like I said... this whole line of thinking is pure intellectual fallacy anyways... But if you are so worried about asking people critical of Israel why they focus on the ISPAL conflict more than they do other conflicts, then you should ask the same of people that are Pro Israel, because they do the exactly same thing.

Like I said... Westerns IN GENERAL are preoccupied with CONFLICT: DIRTFARM, for a whole variety of reasons. Dont get me wrong... Im sure race and religion plays a part. Some people take the Palestinian side because they dont like Jews, and some people take the Israeli side because they dont like Arabs and Muslims... but again these things are equally true of both sides, theres way more to the wests obsession with the middle east than that.

[DogOnPorch]

Save your breath, Assad.

[Guest Peeves]

"Anti-Semite" in common usage was coined ONLY in respect to Jews. The term does not is not and has not been a generic reference to all Semites.

One that has knowledge of the term knows full well to who it applies.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-semitism

[Guest Peeves]

Those are completely different situations. Its stupid to even try to compare them.

Its should be pretty damn easy for ANYONE with a brain to understand why westerners (whether they are pro or anti Israel) are more focused on the ISPAL conflict than the Kuriles . One of them has resulted in 50+ years of almost constant violence, with a steady stream of content in the news cycle to keep westerners focused on it. The other one... hasnt.

No it isn't stupid as you claim. Why are you fixated on Israel alone?

And if you have a brain, I suggest the numerous linked situations are

equally important to those involved.

If there is land in dispute that is occupied then it's no different at all. I referenced many in the link, not just Kuriles. You seem to wish to dwell on the 'Palestinian' problem, ignoring the link to others. The Golan heights for example has nothing to do directly with Palestinians, it's occupied Syrian territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

Date June 5–10, 1967

Location Middle East

Result Decisive Israeli victory

Territorial changes

Israel captures the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.

Edited April 16, 2012 by Peeves

[dre]

No it isn't stupid as you claim. Why are you fixated on Israel alone?

And if you have a brain, I suggest the numerous linked situations are

equally important to those involved.

If there is land in dispute that is occupied then it's no different at all. I referenced many in the link, not just Kuriles. You seem to wish to dwell on the 'Palestinian' problem, ignoring the link to others. The Golan heights for example has nothing to do directly with Palestinians, it's occupied Syrian territory.

I already explained why the west is more focus on Israel than the Kuriles. THese two cases are not even remotely similar.

Those conflicts have all for the most part gone cold and dropped off the news cycle. CONLICT: DIRTFARM has stayed pretty hot for about 60 years and constantly been in the news cycle. The west is preoccupied with it for all the reasons I already mentioned.

Again this is a stupid and pointless question in the first place. Westerners in general are more focused on Israel than the Kuriles for the SAME REASONS YOU ARE. You act like only anti Israeli westerns give this conflict more focus but thats simply not true. Pro Israeli westerners give it more focus as well. And again, the reasons for this are obvious.

Why are you fixated on Israel alone?

Im not... I hardly even post in CONFLICT: DIRTFARM HOLYLAND threads anymore.

Edited April 16, 2012 by dre

[DogOnPorch]

lol...can you be any more vague and say-nothing? Try. I bet you can...reach for that gold.

[dre]

lol...can you be any more vague and say-nothing? Try. I bet you can...reach for that gold.

Explained exactly why this whole line of reasoning is utterless stupid and fallacious. Not sure what you expect beyond that. And since both of you know Im completely right Im not sure where this can really go.

If the Kuriles heats up, and and the majority of the population there rejects Russian rule, and theres constant conflict there for more than 1/2 a century then people will start to talk about it, and youll get pro-russion, and pro-japenese activists, and maybe even some of those flotillas you like so much. In the mean time... people will ignore it just like they ignore every thing ELSE that isnt in the news cycle.

[DogOnPorch]

Explained exactly why this whole line of reasoning is utterless stupid and fallacious. Not sure what you expect beyond that. And since both of you know Im completely right Im not sure where this can really go.

If the Kuriles heats up, and and the majority of the population there rejects Russian rule, and theres constant conflict there for more than 1/2 a century then people will start to talk about it, and youll get pro-russion, and pro-japenese activists, and maybe even some of those flotillas you like so much. In the mean time... people will ignore it just like they ignore every thing ELSE that isnt in the news cycle.

Oh...so that's your reasoning for wanting to have an Arab 'do-over' of the 6 Day War. Or is it?

[jbg]

Its should be pretty damn easy for ANYONE with a brain to understand why westerners (whether they are pro or anti Israel) are more focused on the ISPAL conflict than the Kuriles . One of them has resulted in 50+ years of almost constant violence, with a steady stream of content in the news cycle to keep westerners focused on it. The other one... hasnt.

There should have been similar exposure and news coverage.

[dre]

Oh...so that's your reasoning for wanting to have an Arab 'do-over' of the 6 Day War. Or is it?

More nonsense. I dont want or expect a "do-over", and theres no reason to have one. Israel has not even attempted to claim the vast majority of that land. Unless it does then those territories or not even "disputed", because Israel has not asserted any claim to it, besides some of Jeruselem, and a rather vague position on the golan.

[dre]

There should have been similar exposure and news coverage.

[Guest American Woman]

lol...can you be any more vague and say-nothing? Try. I bet you can...reach for that gold.

[bud]

although, the comparison of israel's occupation to that of the moroccon occupation are are much different, once again, israeli apologists are trying to justify israel's actions by comparing them to arabs. the same culture and society that they despise and ridicule. the same group of people who they see themselves as better.