New poll shows NDP tied with conservatives

punked · March 31, 2012

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/ndp-issue-two-english-language-press-releases-federal-224919715.html

You're playing a dangerous game Mr. Mulcair.

No you are the one again making a big deal about political parties talking to Quebec. Quebec wants in why wont you let them?

Jack Weber · March 31, 2012

No you are the one again making a big deal about political parties talking to Quebec. Quebec wants in why wont you let them?

The seperatists in Quebec want in either:

(a)Through Lucien Bouchard/Brian Mulroney/Rene Levesque "Distinct Society" constitutional veto power based on "cultural difference"...A horrendous idea!

(b)Through the federalist/seperatist aparatchiks in the NDP and their incredibly wrongheaded Sherbrooke Declaration...An equally horrendous idea!

MiddleClassCentrist · March 31, 2012

Are you speaking for yourself too or just everyone else?

Heheh, nope.

I took some time to try and find where I read this information officially but, google was no help.

The longer time since grievances have been aired, the less of an "impact issue" it is. Makes sense when you think about it. You've had time to come to terms with the issue and vote based on future/current intentions.

Brian Mulroooooooooney aptly pointed out that most politicians peak in popularity when they are doing nothing controvesial. Nothing to complain about, things must be going well.

Edited March 31, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist

WWWTT · March 31, 2012

You're playing a dangerous game Mr. Mulcair.

I guess the same does not apply to Harper when he plays the same east/west political games

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MiddleClassCentrist · March 31, 2012

I guess thats what Martin was aiming for.

Ironically today Jim Flarety was saying that his budget yesterday was less severe than the liberal budgets of the 90's

Typical conservative hypocrocy

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"Harper caught having sex with cross dressing prostitute."

Now there is a scandal our society would pay attention to...

WWWTT · March 31, 2012

The rest of Canada will get sick of NDP, they are Quebec first and Canada 2nd

Say that to the northern Ontario residents that have NDP MPs who voted for aboloshing the gun registry!

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WWWTT · March 31, 2012

"Harper caught having sex with cross dressing prostitute."

Now there is a scandal our society would pay attention to...

Actually something like that would increase conservative polling numbers!

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capricorn · March 31, 2012

No you are the one again making a big deal about political parties talking to Quebec.

What do you mean "again". This is the first time I ever mentioned Mulcair's pandering to Quebecers. The way Mulcair's starting out, it may not be the last time.

Anyway, Bob Rae also had an opinion.

Rae called the dual budget messages "strange."
"I think most of us who've been around for a long time find it surprising. I mean, we all respond to regional concerns and there are always going to be regional packages produced in response to a budget," he said Friday.

"But when it comes to the overall national response, we don't have two, we have one. We have one for the whole country indicating that's how we understand things to be."

http://www.680news.com/news/national/article/346303--mulcair-issues-two-budget-messages-one-to-quebecers-one-to-canadians

Quebec wants in..

Because Quebec knows if Quebec is "out" it would be a worse basket case than it is now.

cybercoma · March 31, 2012

This is the first time I ever mentioned Mulcair's pandering to Quebecers.

How is this pandering exactly? It's the same press release with a different title. Give me a break.

capricorn · March 31, 2012

How is this pandering exactly? It's the same press release with a different title. Give me a break.

Oh, I'm sure we'll get to know pretty quickly how far Mulcair will go to favour Quebec over other regions. One thing for sure, it's on the media's radar.

Mulcair's budget response separates Quebec, Canada
The freshly minted NDP leader issued two news releases slagging the budget - one aimed specifically at Quebecers, the other at Canadians generally.

It wasn't that there were budget measures that applied uniquely to Quebec, or that Mulcair had anything particularly different to say to Quebecers. The message in both releases was essentially the same.

"Stephen Harper promised to protect health care funding and never even mentioned his plan to cut old age security. Now, he is putting Quebecers' retirement security and primary health care in peril with these reckless cuts," Mulcair said in a release entitled, "The Conservative Budget: No Relief for Quebecers."

"Stephen Harper promised jobs and growth but delivered reckless cuts," said the release aimed at the rest of the country, entitled, "Conservative Budget Slashes Health Care, Pensions."

The two releases were issued four minutes apart, a half hour after Finance Minister Jim Flaherty rose in the House of Commons to present his latest budget.

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Cultivating the Quebec base is Job 1 for Mulcair. But, judging by rival parties' reaction to his dual budget releases, he'll have to tread carefully to avoid accusations of pandering to the province.

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120330/mulcair-quebec-canada-20120330/20120330/?hub=MontrealHome

You're about to enter a minefield Mr. Mulcair.

Jack Weber · March 31, 2012

Oh, I'm sure we'll get to know pretty quickly how far Mulcair will go to favour Quebec over other regions. One thing for sure, it's on the media's radar.

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120330/mulcair-quebec-canada-20120330/20120330/?hub=MontrealHome

You're about to enter a minefield Mr. Mulcair.

Welcome to the world of the Mulroneyesque Sherbrooke Declaration...

Seperatist enablers need to rooted out!

cybercoma · March 31, 2012

Oh, I'm sure we'll get to know pretty quickly how far Mulcair will go to favour Quebec over other regions. One thing for sure, it's on the media's radar.

That's a pretty ironic statement following that Harper Government budget that craps all over Quebec and Ontario for the benefit of Alberta. That's truly favouring one region over another, unlike Mulcair that provided the same statement to both Quebec and the rest of Canada.

cybercoma · March 31, 2012

Welcome to the world of the Mulroneyesque Sherbrooke Declaration...

Seperatist enablers need to rooted out!

How exactly is issuing the same press release to Quebec and the rest of Canada pandering?

Why are you trying to turn Quebec into a ghetto?

If anyone's enabling, in fact encouraging, separatism it's the assholes that won't allow them to be a part of Canada by questioning a federalist party that's opening dialogue with Quebec and bringing them together with the rest of the country.

WWWTT · March 31, 2012

That's a pretty ironic statement following that Harper Government budget that craps all over Quebec and Ontario for the benefit of Alberta. That's truly favouring one region over another, unlike Mulcair that provided the same statement to both Quebec and the rest of Canada.

Yep more conservative hypocracy!

Actually to make a hypocritical attack is very risky and political suicide.I doubt that any attack adds will be based on these themes.If they do then it would be a sign that the conservatives are desperate!

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capricorn · March 31, 2012

That's a pretty ironic statement following that Harper Government budget that craps all over Quebec and Ontario for the benefit of Alberta.

Perhaps I could answer your question if you explained how the budget "craps" all over Quebec and Ontario.

That's truly favouring one region over another, unlike Mulcair that provided the same statement to both Quebec and the rest of Canada.

Look, I didn't start this two press releases question mark. Several media outlets reported on it and obviously the media senses there's more than meets the eye in how Mulcair initially reacted to a federal budget. I still cannot see a valid explanation why he chose to address Quebec and the ROC on the same matter in two separate press releases. Do you?

TimG · March 31, 2012

That's a pretty ironic statement following that Harper Government budget that craps all over Quebec and Ontario for the benefit of Alberta.

Hold it. I thought you said that federal programs are "too complex" to allocated as a benefit to a particular province. I guess your rule is to change your arguments whenever it suits your ideological preferences. Edited March 31, 2012 by TimG

cybercoma · March 31, 2012

Hold it. I thought you said that federal programs are "too complex" to allocated as a benefit to a particular province. I guess your rule is to change your arguments whenever it suits your ideological preferences.

I'm talking about completely different things here.

Edited March 31, 2012 by cybercoma

TimG · March 31, 2012

I'm talking about completely different things here.

No we aren't. You claimed in this thread that federal spending changes benefited Alberta at the expense of Ontario and Quebec. You claim the other thread that is it not possible to assign a net benefit from federal spending to a particular province. It is exactly the same thing and you are arguing both sides.

Newfoundlander · March 31, 2012

Really???

Thats not what I recall

As a matter of fact this is the first time the conservatives have bein rivalled in a poll since 2006 or leading up to 2006.

Yes new leaders do create a pick up in the polls,but matching for the top spot?This has not bein witnesed in Canada for some time.

Keep in mind that Harper was not able to tople Martin in 2004 the first time round with a united right.

True this is only one poll,but a good one that I like!

Still nothing backs up a claim like a link,so the invitation is out there.

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Obviously you need to check your facts then.

mentalfloss · March 31, 2012

April 6

April 6 is when 308 should be accumulating all respective polls. We should have a better idea then.

Evening Star · March 31, 2012

Obviously you need to check your facts then.

Did the Ignatieff- or Dion-led Liberals ever lead the CPC in a poll? I don't remember.

madmax · March 31, 2012

The rest of Canada will get sick of NDP, they are Quebec first and Canada 2nd

That is Hillarious.

I would love to see the Liberals run on that..

In Quebec...

I expect the Conservatives and the Right Wing Media to slag that kind of divisive mud.

Its what comes with the turf.. when the Opposition gathers momentum..

Exoect the CPC attack adds to read just like that...

Outside of Quebec...

In Quebec, they won't run adds like that..

Edited March 31, 2012 by madmax

madmax · March 31, 2012

Welcome to the world of the Mulroneyesque Sherbrooke Declaration...

Seperatist enablers need to rooted out!

I see the BQ are at 4 seats and were low in the polls.. but now they are rising in the polls.

I am sure everyone will be happy about that.

WWWTT · March 31, 2012

Obviously you need to check your facts then.

Ok then lets look at facts.

Dion and Ignatieff were opposition leaders when Harper only had a minority government.Under both leaders the liberals avoided voting against the government in fear of triggering a non confidence election call(Actually I believe the conservative government to this date has never had to call an election due to one of their bills/budget being voted DOWN)

Heres another fact Dion and Ignatieff were criticized for not triggering an election.I believe they did not do this because their polling number never gave them an edge and they did not want to go into an election being the underdog.

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