Walkom: "These high-income docs want the rich to pay"

[Guest Derek L]

We got Medicare, SS, the 40 hour work week, labour laws, EI and more from them so yes they did.

So you're good then right?

[bush_cheney2004]

So you're good then right?

Apparently not...they want...even more.

[Guest Derek L]

'Zactly! Just cut to the chase and go with the ultimate in social safety nets...federal or provincial incarceration.

But wait! You served in the military also.........there is some social engineering going on over there too We even got duty free smokes and booze!!

cue act II of the Harper agenda:

Edited March 25, 2012 by Derek L

[bleeding heart]

See South Africa......Race wasn’t the only cause of the exodus....

It wouldn't happen, the boilerplate universe of Ayn Rand notwithstanding.

Again--and as you've already conceded--the benefits that have accrued to the wealthy thanks to the social safety net precludes the idea, as far as I can see. They're not petulant irrationals who would "go on strike," Atlas Shrugged style.

[Guest Derek L]

It wouldn't happen, the boilerplate universe of Ayn Rand notwithstanding.

Again--and as you've already conceded--the benefits that have accrued to the wealthy thanks to the social safety net precludes the idea, as far as I can see. They're not petulant irrationals who would "go on strike," Atlas Shrugged style.

But as you conceded, the social safety net is funded by the largess of the “rich”………The Soviets also had doctors and engineers, as does South Africa today, but would you rather live in those societies?

[bleeding heart]

But as you conceded, the social safety net is funded by the largess of the “rich”

No, I didn't, as I don't know that it's true; those decrying taxes for the rich routinely argue that it's fruitless, because most taxes derive from the middle class.

Arguably moot anyway--even if it were wholly funded by the rich (which it isn't), it's not about "largesse"; it's about self-preservation, about having a strong, healthy, educated, stable society form which to draw employees.

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……The Soviets also had doctors and engineers, as does South Africa today, but would you rather live in those societies?

I wouldn't, no, certainly not.

Either, presumably, would the doctors, the other professionals, and the super-rich.

They'd prefer to remain here, for the most part.

And they will continue to do so.

Edited March 25, 2012 by bleeding heart

[punked]

So you're good then right?

Nope because as you like to point out, with tax cuts these programs which have lead to a better country become under funded and thus Conservatives such as yourself make a cause that we should cut them.

See how your arguments are a self fulfilling prophecy? You argue for tax cuts then you point all things that become underfunded with those tax cuts as costing to much and we should get rid of them. In fact this is happening in this very thread.

Then we have the argument for a more equal society. We still don't have a national drug program, or a national daycare program, and our medical and education systems are still under funded. So no I am not good but I will be don't worry.

[bush_cheney2004]

But as you conceded, the social safety net is funded by the largess of the “rich”………The Soviets also had doctors and engineers, as does South Africa today, but would you rather live in those societies?

Which brings us right back to the Parable of the Golden Goose: WARNING - American Content

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u69VNU4pJ4I&feature=player_embedded#!

[cybercoma]

Tell me, what was my point? Did these workers struggles you mentioned change North American society? Was wealth redistributed at an equal level?

Yes and yes.

[Guest Derek L]

No, I didn't, as I don't know that it's true; those decrying taxes for the rich routinely argue that it's fruitless, because most taxes derive from the middle class.

Arguably moot anyway--even if it were wholly funded by the rich (which it isn't), it's not about "largesse"; it's about self-preservation, about having a strong, healthy, educated, stable society form which to draw employees.

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Fair enough, so since most of the net is funded by the middle class, as illustrated by Argus with his pyramid analogy, why are the “rich” targeted by the “progressives”………even if they bleed us dry, will that really help their cause?

I wouldn't, no, certainly not.

Either, presumably, would the doctors, the other professionals, and the super-rich.

They'd prefer to remain here, for the most part.

And they will continue to do so.

Let's look at the brain drain of South Africa, or better yet, healthcare professionals to the United States from Canada………What was the underlying cause of such event?

[punked]

Which brings us right back to the Parable of the Golden Goose: WARNING - American Content

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u69VNU4pJ4I&feature=player_embedded#!

All kins of Atlas Shrugged BS going on here. I will remind you Ayn Rand died broke, using Medicare after she got from cancer from Smoking. She did spend all of her life preaching against the safety net and said those who spoke against smoking were just Liberals who didn't understand freedom. Yah don't need to take advice from that hypocrite.

[Guest Derek L]

Yes and yes.

So you're good then?

[punked]

Yes and yes.

I am glad we both see the ever changing argument that is going from Derek here.

[cybercoma]

Then why are they waiting for Government? They can donate more of their income if they so choose…

Perhaps they do. They're bringing attention to what they perceive is a problem with the system.

[cybercoma]

So you're good then?

What does this have to do with me personally?

[bush_cheney2004]

Let's look at the brain drain of South Africa, or better yet, healthcare professionals to the United States from Canada………What was the underlying cause of such event?

My, that is a very good question, since it involved "rich doctors" and all. Why did they leave?

[bleeding heart]

What does this have to do with me personally?

Yeah, that's another irritant. Some of us are financially stable. It's not all about me personally.

[Guest Derek L]

Which brings us right back to the Parable of the Golden Goose: WARNING - American Content

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u69VNU4pJ4I&feature=player_embedded#!

Beautiful But where did Goldie end up? The Caymans? Isle of Mann?

[bush_cheney2004]

Beautiful But where did Goldie end up? The Caymans? Isle of Mann?

Yes...Goldie is now a full partner with Goldman Sachs and has her own pond!

[Guest Derek L]

What does this have to do with me personally?

You echoed Punked’s sentiments, but unlike Punked, didn’t offer comment on if you felt that sufficient? Or do you too, want more?

[Guest Derek L]

My, that is a very good question, since it involved "rich doctors" and all. Why did they leave?

I guess no takers

[Guest Derek L]

Yes...Goldie is now a full partner with Goldman Sachs and has her own pond!

Is the pond in or around the Scottsdale, Arizona area?

[bush_cheney2004]

Is the pond in or around the Scottsdale, Arizona area?

Why yes...it is! How did you know?

[bleeding heart]

I guess no takers

It's not relevant to the issue. You're talking about the rich leaving en masse...and not just from Canada, but from countries like the US as well, which also has a strong social safety net.

As we have said over and over--and as you have freely admitted--one of the reasons for the fabulous rise of the wealthy class (in the US as well, certainly)--is that there is a social safety net.

[Guest Derek L]

Why yes...it is! How did you know?

I just happened to guess……..What other places would benefit from a couple of working Canadian professionals?