Newfoundlander Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) stop. trudeau wont give in to peer pressure and enter the race hes made it known crystal clear dozens of times that he isnt ready He's made it quite clear recently he's reconsidering and is discussing it with his family. Edited June 16, 2012 by Newfoundlander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 He's made it quite clear recently he's reconsidering and is discussing it with his family. Well as long as it is something he wants I am sure he will do just great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted June 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Well as long as it is something he wants I am sure he will do just great. He's very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 He's very interesting. I have never been impressed but that doesn't mean I can't be. I will wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted June 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I have never been impressed but that doesn't mean I can't be. I will wait and see. I've always felt he has no substance and needs more time in politics, though I would be very interesting to see what would happen if he became leader now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Ipsos Reid: New Democrats remain ahead New Democrats 38% Conservatives 35% Liberals 18% Greens 4% Bloc Quebecois are trailing the New Democrats in Quebec. And perhaps the most interesting part of this story that should worry Conservatives: The poll found the NDP has taken the lead in Ontario, with 40% support compared to the Tories’ 34%. Edited June 22, 2012 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Ipsos Reid: New Democrats remain ahead New Democrats 38% Conservatives 35% Liberals 18% Greens 4% Bloc Quebecois are trailing the New Democrats in Quebec. And perhaps the most interesting part of this story that should worry Conservatives: If those Ontario numbers are real and they can hold onto 70% of their Quebec seats then we they are looking at a Majority government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 And real majority!? Or like the one we have now.... You know.... The one that "isn't a real majority" ? It must surely be "party dependant" right? If those Ontario numbers are real and they can hold onto 70% of their Quebec seats then we they are looking at a Majority government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) And real majority!? Or like the one we have now.... You know.... The one that "isn't a real majority" ? It must surely be "party dependant" right? It would be an artificial majority and it would a dirtbag thing for the NDP to ram legislation through without working with the opposition. That's why the CPC is suffering in the polls. They're committing political suicide by shutting out the opposition. Canadians won't stand to have their votes negated by partisan arrogance and contempt of parliament. Harper would be best served to at least feign cooperation with the opposition. Shooting down hundreds of amendments to one of the largest budget implementation bills in history, without so much as adding a comma to the text, was a very stupid move. It shows a complete disregard for the supremacy of parliament and the views of over 60% of Canadians. Edited June 23, 2012 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 I'm of the view that the people that handed him the democratically appointed majority are in favor of his policy and direction. I'm in the view as well he will get another majority next time around. It would be an artificial majority and it would a dirtbag thing for the NDP to ram legislation through without working with the opposition. That's why the CPC is suffering in the polls. They're committing political suicide by shutting out the opposition. Canadians won't stand to have their votes negated by partisan arrogance and contempt of parliament. Harper would be best served to at least feign cooperation with the opposition. Shooting down hundreds of amendments to one of the largest budget implementation bills in history, without so much as adding a comma to the text, was a very stupid move. It shows a complete disregard for the supremacy of parliament and the views of over 60% of Canadians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 I'm of the view that the people that handed him the democratically appointed majority are in favor of his policy and direction. I'm in the view as well he will get another majority next time around. Why the sudden dip in the polling if the people love them so much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 I'm of the view that the people that handed him the democratically appointed majority are in favor of his policy and direction. I'm in the view as well he will get another majority next time around. His own MPs don't even agree with him, let alone the constituents that "handed" him his majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted June 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Why the sudden dip in the polling if the people love them so much? Not really uncommon for most parties in their first year is it? I don't think people "love" him, even those who voted for him, or necessarily like all his policies, but I do think there's a strong shot of him winning n 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted June 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) His own MPs don't even agree with him, let alone the constituents that "handed" him his majority. Do you think the CPC is the only party in parliament that have MPs who aren't happy with all their parties policies? Edited June 23, 2012 by Newfoundlander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 at 38% the NDP would govern with a phoney majority just like we have now...I would expect the NDP to resist the temptation of continuing on with the flawed FPTP electoral system and change to a democratic PR electoral system...if they didn't I'd switch my allegiance to the Green party... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Not really uncommon for most parties in their first year is it? I don't think people "love" him, even those who voted for him, or necessarily like all his policies, but I do think there's a strong shot of him winning n 2015. No it is pretty uncommon the first year because that is usually the honeymoon year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Do you think the CPC is the only party in parliament that have MPs who aren't happy with all their parties policies? No, but that's not really relevant either is it? Fletch said the people that voted for Harper agree with his direction. I'm suggesting that Fletch doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, as the polls show fewer and fewer people agree with Harper and not even his own MPs agreeing with him these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 I'm of the view that the people that handed him the democratically appointed majority are in favor of his policy and direction. I'm in the view as well he will get another majority next time around. Except he wasn't handed it, he and his criminal cohorts stole the election through fraudulent means.You're delusional if you think he can honestly win the next election without him or the party committing another form of criminal act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted June 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Except he wasn't handed it, he and his criminal cohorts stole the election through fraudulent means. You're delusional if you think he can honestly win the next election without him or the party committing another form of criminal act. No proof the CPC did anything wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted June 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) No it is pretty uncommon the first year because that is usually the honeymoon year. Oh. I have been more use to seeing parties fall in their first year due to them implementing their unpopular policies first.Your point is true as well though. Edited June 24, 2012 by Newfoundlander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Oh. I have been more use to seeing parties fall in their first year due to them implementing their unpopular policies first.Your point is true as well though. I think it depends on the party in power... When you come to power promising a bell for every bicycle like the liberals, then there might be a honeymoon period until the reality of the costs and waste is exposed. When you come into power promising cuts, savings, and pragmatism, I don't think there's much of a honeymoon period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 No proof the CPC did anything wrong. I bet you'll deny that they ever pled guilty to their illegal In and Out election fraud scandal too eh?They will be found guilty of the robo-calling in due time. One of the ridings that they won through questionable means has already had the results thrown out... That said, clearly Harper and his Conservative party of crooks are getting worried about their chances in the next election.... Harper had to meet in secret this past week with Mulroney to get his advice on how to repair the hatred that Quebec has for him and his neo-cons. http://www.globalnews.ca/pages/story.aspx?id=6442667332 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) Harper had to meet in secret this past week with Mulroney to get his advice on how to repair the hatred that Quebec has for him and his neo-cons. Well, you must admit that he does have a logistic problem, Rick. Since Quebec is such a socialist culture, if he pleases Quebec he screws himself for support in the rest of Canada. After all, the rabid left will never vote for him anyway! Besides, the reason he needs to repair his party's image in Quebec is not for his own sake. He's already proven that a party no longer needs Quebec to have a majority. So he could tell Quebec to go pound salt if he wanted! That would likely IMPROVE his support in the rest of Canada! No, he is doing this to try to suppress a rebirth of separatism in Quebec. He and his party might not gain but I do believe he sincerely wants Canada to stay united. That's an honourable motive. Stupid and a waste of time in my opinion but honourable, nonetheless. I'm curious as to just what you think he SHOULD do? Have you any suggestions that would not involve him committing political suicide? Frankly, I have never heard any other type of suggestion from you. I can understand you don't like him but expecting him to deliberately "die" is rather inane, don't you think? Edited June 24, 2012 by Wild Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Well, you must admit that he does have a logistic problem, Rick. Since Quebec is such a socialist culture, if he pleases Quebec he screws himself for support in the rest of Canada. Yo, Brian. I know I've crapped all over your policies, party, and the nation you built, but help a brother out. I recognized those bastards as a nation within Canada. What more do those idiots want!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Well, you must admit that he does have a logistic problem, Rick. Since Quebec is such a socialist culture, if he pleases Quebec he screws himself for support in the rest of Canada.That was his choice to govern to please his Alberta base. After all, the rabid left will never vote for him anyway!And neither will the wackos from right wing Alberta vote for an NDP government. Besides, the reason he needs to repair his party's image in Quebec is not for his own sake.Correct, he does, he's destroyed it and if his party is to ever compete in Quebec, he has to repair the damage he's caused. He's already proven that a party no longer needs Quebec to have a majority.I wouldn't say it was proven, he got very lucky with the use of illegal means to achieve the votes needed in Ontario to gain that majority. You cannot lose both Quebec and Ontario and hope to win. So he could tell Quebec to go pound salt if he wanted! That would likely IMPROVE his support in the rest of Canada!Not so. It would only feed the bigots from western Canada who hate Quebec for any reason they can think of.No, he is doing this to try to suppress a rebirth of separatism in Quebec. He and his party might not gain but I do believe he sincerely wants Canada to stay united. That's an honourable motive. Stupid and a waste of time in my opinion but honourable, nonetheless.Because western separatists are somehow better than the Quebec separatists eh?I'm curious as to just what you think he SHOULD do? Have you any suggestions that would not involve him committing political suicide? Frankly, I have never heard any other type of suggestion from you. I can understand you don't like him but expecting him to deliberately "die" is rather inane, don't you think? Why in the world would I even offer up a suggestion to a man who I despise and who has done more to destroy this country than any terrorist could ever do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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