Jack Weber Posted February 25, 2012 Report Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) I didn't see your reply until after I posted, Jack. I'm relieved to see that you HAVE thought it through! I don't think Vic will get any sympathy. Who has sympathy for a politician? No, it's the political power that scares the daylights out of me! That's always the problem with the righteous! If they think it important enough, they have no problem with cutting off SOMEONE ELSE'S arm! I don't mean sympathy for Vic the politician...I mean sympathy in the sense that going after anyone in such a personal matter to foist some sort of agenda (what is Anonymous agenda,any way?)through an unelected parallel power... Did'nt Pierre Trudeau fight this fight with the FLQ over 40 years ago? Anonymous is correct in pointing out the hypocrisy of The bill and Mr.Toews(minus some of the indirect personal stuff)... They are correct in warning people about the potential state sanctioned ramifications of this bill... But they have no right to usurp our democracy through,as you correctly call it,blackmail! The irony here is we have a party in power that could be in serious trouble for subverting the democratic process in the last election,putting forth a bill to essentially legalize spying on the Canadian populace in a clandestine fashion...Being threatened by an outside power that is faceless and virtually untraceable by using underhanded and clandestine means... I have that right,yes? Edited February 25, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
cybercoma Posted February 25, 2012 Report Posted February 25, 2012 will of the voters be damned?That's a load of crap. This isn't the will of the voters, as is clear from numerous polls, the least of which being the one on this forum. I've never seen this forum so unanimous on anything. Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Posted February 25, 2012 I think everyone on the Left is being lumped in with olp's Anonymous cheerleading. I, for one, am not comfortable with their tactics, even if they're on the same side. It seems hypocritical to me to do the things that you're fighting against to make your point. You're not a fan of irony I take it Quote
cybercoma Posted February 25, 2012 Report Posted February 25, 2012 You're not a fan of irony I take it I appreciate their cause. I completely disagree with their tactics. It's simply hypocritical. Quote
Jack Weber Posted February 25, 2012 Report Posted February 25, 2012 So therefore anything goes as far as forcing them to do what YOU want? Legalities and the majority will of the voters be damned? It's all about what YOU think and who YOU like? I now believe that you have absolutely no concept of democracy at all! To you, because you don't like the Harper government you seem to see nothing wrong with blackmail! You seem blissfully blind to the collateral consequences! I've already stated my distaste for Vic many times and my objections to his Bill as well. That doesn't mean I would destroy Canadian democracy to get what I want! Believe it or not, I believe in democracy for everyone, including YOU! However, it is perfectly obvious to anyone trying to follow your arguments that you do not believe the same for your fellow citizens. You only think it should apply to those who agree with you! You remind me of a baby with a machine gun! You should really think a lot deeper on such issues! This is correct... Democracy is the politic of the half loaf because it's slow and it requires people who essentially disagree with each other to find common ground.This has become an increasing failing of our system of government for at least 3 decades,and perhaps longer.I suppose,in the end,we only have ourselves to blame for this because of our own complacency... This is why a group like Anonymous gets traction because we have slowly allowed ouselves to fall into this democratic chasm where we have politcal party's barking outrageous idealogical drivel at each other,all the while,an outside group comes along and seems to bring some sort of clarity to an issue... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
olpfan1 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Posted February 25, 2012 I appreciate their cause. I completely disagree with their tactics. It's simply hypocritical. Canadians of all spades protested this bill and they are still going to try to write it ... meanwhile most of us just want it scrapped They clearly are not listening Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Posted February 25, 2012 The MSM might not even report on this anonymous revelation in a week They didn't report Toews Mistress name.. The alternate media has We'll see Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 25, 2012 Report Posted February 25, 2012 The MSM might not even report on this anonymous revelation in a week They didn't report Toews Mistress name.. The alternate media has We'll see Why should they out her name? Why harm her? How is her name even remotely relevant to the issue, except as a tool for blackmail? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olpfan1 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Why should they out her name? Why harm her? How is her name even remotely relevant to the issue, except as a tool for blackmail? Anonymous explained why.. go read the transcript I posted on the 1st page Edited February 25, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Posted February 25, 2012 Therefore, we are naming the woman you referenced in this letter to your constituents. The woman Vic Toews is cohabitating with, whom he impregnated in an affair that took place during his first marriage, is Stacey Meek. She is employed in an administrative capacity by Senator Terry Stratton. She runs a public relations firm based in Toronto. She previously worked for Conservative MP Joy Smith, and is currently listed as a constituency assistant for Conservative MP Joyce Bateman. In the past, she was employed by Issues Ink, a consulting and publishing company based in Winnipeg. Of course, we're sure you had absolutely nothing to do with Stacey Meek being hired by Senator Stratton, Mr. Toews. Surely a man like yourself with such solid moral convictions would never engage in that kind of nepotism! She has a father, Joe, who is a doctor of veterinary medicine; a brother, Jeff; a sister-in law, Rhea; and two nieces who we shall not name, all of whom reside in Winnipeg. Her mother is deceased and passed away due to cancer in in 2002. We also have information about your youngest son, who was the product of your affair with Ms. Meek. However, as he is only 4 years-old and entirely innocent in this matter, we will not release this information. Anonymous does not hold the son responsible for the crimes of the father. However, the woman you are cohabitating with is politically active, a government employee, and in particular is a constituency assistant to MP Joyce Bateman, who voted Yes on Bill C-30. As such, we have no qualms about releasing information about her to the Canadian public. Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Why should they out her name? Why harm her? How is her name even remotely relevant to the issue, except as a tool for blackmail? She is politically active. she is in "the game" if you will Shes an assistant to an mp directly because of her connection to toews You may disagree and think we're better than this but the extremism brought into this country by CPC breeds this kind of behaviour Edited February 26, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
capricorn Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Therefore, we are naming the woman you referenced in this letter to your constituents. etc..etc... You already posted this a couple of pages ago. Edited February 26, 2012 by capricorn Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Argus Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 You keep talking about a democratically elected government Bill but as far as I am concerned the way they won this last election by cheating taints this government more than ad scam tainted the liberals I recall a conservative government brought down over a 7 cent a gallon tax on gasoline. The Liberals, who brought the government down over that, fought the subsequent election on the damage that would do to the economy. It was the heart and soul of their campaign. Within months of getting elected they instituted a larger tax increase on gas. I recall the same Liberal party running another entire election campaign on how horrifying the idea of wage and price controls would be. "Zap, your frozen", was something Trudeau did a lot of during that election. Wage and Price controls, which the opposition Tories were proposing, were the focus of the campaign. The Liberals won, and promptly implemented wage and price controls. You seem to be stunned at a few dirty tricks which likely changed nothing in the end. Maybe one candidate or another won or lost by a few dozen more or less votes than they otherwise would have. But the Liberals basically lied and cheated their way into power on at least a couple of occasions and nobody seems to be suggesting they were in any way morally at fault or that their governments weren't legitimate because of it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
olpfan1 Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 Argus I've never voted liberal, I've only voted NDP so I dont know where youre going with that What the cons did here are much worse than ones youve cited Quote
capricorn Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 You seem to be stunned at a few dirty tricks which likely changed nothing in the end. Maybe one candidate or another won or lost by a few dozen more or less votes than they otherwise would have. But the Liberals basically lied and cheated their way into power on at least a couple of occasions and nobody seems to be suggesting they were in any way morally at fault or that their governments weren't legitimate because of it. A couple more... Liberals campaigning on eliminating the GST...no go. Liberals promising universal child care for a decade...shelved. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Jack Weber Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 A couple more... Liberals campaigning on eliminating the GST...no go. Liberals promising universal child care for a decade...shelved. This idealogical tit for tat crap has to do with state sanctioned spying on the Canadian populace how? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
capricorn Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 What the cons did here are much worse than ones youve cited olpfan1, number one fan of Anonymous, judge and jury all wrapped into one. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Argus Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) She is politically active. she is in "the game" if you will Shes an assistant to an mp directly because of her connection to toews You may disagree and think we're better than this but the extremism brought into this country by CPC breeds this kind of behaviour Oh please. Your petty, self-righteous indignation say a lot more about what kind of a person you are than it does about Toews. And an assistant to an MP is not "in the game". That you'd think so is nothing more than yet another indication of how utterly ignorant you are of almost all aspects of politics. My mother was an assistant to an MP, once upon a time. The ways in which MPs assistants were hired and treated were legendary on the Hill, even then. Many were hired from their ridings as favors to this or that person. Others were simply hired as experienced administrative people who had previously worked for other MPs, now departed. They spend most of their time handling constituency requests, dealing with the bureaucracy on behalf of constituents, answering questions, and processing requests to the MP or to ministers. I've been watching politics for decades, and nothing the Tories have done or said is anything new to me. I've seen it for many, many years from all parties and from a vast array of politicians at every level. The zeal of the ignorant leads to all sorts of outrage, whether it's bearded ragamuffins in Afghanistan shrieking about a stupid book being burned, or the righteous self-entitlement types screaming because some policy or other outrages them. Edited February 26, 2012 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
capricorn Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 This idealogical tit for tat crap has to do with state sanctioned spying on the Canadian populace how? It's fun. Oh come on Jack. Just ignore me, I'll understand. Give me a kiss. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Argus Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Argus I've never voted liberal, I've only voted NDP so I dont know where youre going with that What the cons did here are much worse than ones youve cited That you would think so just shows how ignorant you are about politics. What the Tories allegedly did probably had no actual effect on the election results. What the Liberals did completely altered the election results. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jack Weber Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Oh please. Your petty, self-righteous indignation say a lot more about what kind of a person you are than it does about Toews. And an assistant to an MP is not "in the game". That you'd think so is nothing more than yet another indication of how utterly ignorant you are of almost all aspects of politics. My mother was an assistant to an MP, once upon a time. The ways in which MPs assistants were hired and treated were legendary on the Hill, even then. Many were hired from their ridings as favors to this or that person. Others were simply hired as experienced administrative people who had previously worked for other MPs, now departed. They spend most of their time handling constituency requests, dealing with the bureaucracy on behalf of constituents, answering questions, and processing requests to the MP or to ministers. I've been watching politics for decades, and nothing the Tories have done or said is anything new to me. I've seen it for many, many years from all parties and from a vast array of politicians at every level. The zeal of the ignorant leads to all sorts of outrage, whether it's bearded ragamuffins in Afghanistan shrieking about a stupid book being burned, or the righteous self-entitlement types screaming because some policy or other outrages them. A bill being put into law that would give the police sweeping powers to spy on every Canadian citizen,and one who would question it,is a self-entitlement type??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) No one has pointed out one thing this group has done which is wrong. They have information on Vic Toews, is this information the public shouldn't know? Who knows however they know it and they are saying they will release it unless they get there way. Your problem is they are doing it publicly? Is it better they sent him a letter or made a private phone call? If Vic did something illegal or morally wrong this group isn't the only one who know about it and they aren't the only ones giving him an ultimatum. Conservatives on this board are angry their Toews did something pretty pretty wrong eh? Well guess what? Either he did or he didn't but what should he care? He is the one that wants to extend the power of government and others to know information about people. Welcome to public life which is what we will have very very soon if the Conservatives get their way. Seriously what happened to you Western Conservatives on the Board. Seriously way back when, I could always count you guys to be angry about extending government power and the encroachment on Liberty. It was one of the only things I use to be able to talk to Conservatives about when talking politics. You changed man. For the worse. Ps the Liberals did it to thing is getting really old. You guys use to talk big game about be better then Liberals, now you talk big game about being the Liberals. Good job on that one. Edited February 26, 2012 by punked Quote
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Why should they out her name? Why harm her? How is her name even remotely relevant to the issue, except as a tool for blackmail? Bill Frank Magazine are ones who outed her name Anon is just spreading what they have found on the Internet. Quote
Jack Weber Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) No one has pointed out one thing this group has done which is wrong. They have information on Vic Toews, is this information the public shouldn't know? Who knows however they know it and they are saying they will release it unless they get there way. Your problem is they are doing it publicly? Is it better they sent him a letter or made a private phone call? If Vic did something illegal or morally wrong this group isn't the only one who know about it and they aren't the only ones giving him an ultimatum. Conservatives on this board are angry their Toews did something pretty pretty wrong eh? Well guess what? Either he did or he didn't but what should he care? He is the one that wants to extend the power of government and others to know information about people. Welcome to public life which is what we will have very very soon if the Conservatives get their way. Seriously what happened to you Western Conservatives on the Board. Seriously way back when, I could always count you guys to be angry about extending government power and the encroachment on Liberty. It was one of the only things I use to be able to talk to Conservatives about when talking politics. You changed man. For the worse. The libertarian types (like Wild Bill) have been thrown under the bus for the authoritarian types like Mr. Toews... Edited February 26, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 The libertarian types (like Wild Bill) have been thrown under the bus for the authoritarian types like Mr. Toews... It is just sad though, because that use to be all they were about. I mean they use to act like they would never or could ever vote for someone bring in laws they infringe on their freedoms. Like a long form census or a gun registry, now they all for it because some 14 year old behind a computer in Sweden found out Vic did something bad? I can not believe these people. Quote
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