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[cybercoma]

I posted the same video above. lol

I have the max. number of posts per page in my settings though, so it may be on a different page for you.

[waldo]

I posted the same video above. lol

I have the max. number of posts per page in my settings though, so it may be on a different page for you.

sorry... I'm too busy spamming another thread right now!

[g_bambino]

Then we go into another fraudulent election.

There's nothing to guarantee it would be fraudulant. Indeed, I suspect Elections Canada would be more vigilant than ever, given the circumstances.

But, we're deep into speculation territory here, talking about purely hypothetical and not all that well defined circumstances.

I concede that we should wait until Elections Canada has formally finished their own investigation. They've released no information on what they've found nor the specific allegations they've received. So we will wait until then. What concerns me, however, is that upon completing their investigation, they simply report it to Parliament. If it is indeed the Conservatives responsible, and it may not be, then they have the power to simply ignore the findings and carry on business as usual. Then what? Then the GG gets involved with dissolving the Parliament as you stated above?

Again, it can't be said for sure what would happen; I can't predict what Elections Canada will find. Was there actually electoral fraud? Who in the Conservative Party was found ultimately responsible? How widespread are the effects? The next steps in the process will depend on the answers to those questions and others.

A royal commission isn't the same thing as an investigation, anyway. Royal commissions are more studies of a particular subject and issue recommendations on how to address any shortcomings found related to that matter (health care, multiculturalism, the military, things like that). There could be, if indeed significant electoral fraud has been found to have been committed, a subsequent royal commission that studies the electoral process. But, for now, it's Elections Canada and the police, if need be, whose job it is to conduct investigations into specific cases.

[ed.: c/e]

Edited March 23, 2012 by g_bambino

[stopstaaron]

new info

Clearly this wasnt done by a liberal

OTTAWA — The mysterious “Pierre Poutine” who launched misleading robocalls into Guelph on election day also recorded another voice message in support of the local Liberal candidate in the riding.

The message was uploaded to Edmonton voice-blasting company RackNine, along with the misdirecting fake Elections Canada call, but never sent out.

The second recording was revealed in a sworn statement by Al Mathews, the Elections Canada investigator leading the probe into the robocalls in Guelph that went out to more than 7,600 people, mostly in the 519 area code, directing them to the wrong polling stations on election day.

According to Mathews, the second message “had the appearance of being in support of the Frank Valeriote (Liberal Party) campaign in Guelph. The voice sounded to me as though computer generated rather than a script read by a person.”

Poutine had also set up a call display number with RackNine, also not used, that corresponded to Valeriote’s campaign office during the election.

A spokesman for Valeriote said Friday that their campaign has never used RackNine’s services. The strange call in support of Valeriote suggests may have been intended to annoy the Liberal candidate’s supporters. In other ridings, numerous voters have complained off calls allegedly from Liberal candidates that came late at night or early in the morning.

click link for the rest of the new info

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/story.html?id=6350494

Edited March 23, 2012 by stopstaaron

[stopstaaron]

what the ****? okay, come on, how is this fair?!

Separately, Elections Canada’s chief electoral officer, Marc Mayrand, is now scheduled to appear before MPs on March 29 to offer more details on widespread complaints he’s received about misleading or fake calls made to voters during the last election – calls that go far beyond Guelph.

The election watchdog said March 16 it’s received 700 specific complaints about phony dialing during the 2011 ballot in recent weeks.

March 29 is also budget day in Ottawa, which means most of the Parliamentary Press Gallery will instead be in a lockup digesting Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s fiscal plan.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/pierre-poutine-taped-election-call-impersonating-liberals/article2379712/

[cybercoma]

We'll see what happens. I didn't reply to this because I'm hoping the media will leave some people behind to report on it.

[mentalfloss]

So not only was Poutine sending out robocalls to misdirect voters, but he was also responsible for those alleged annoying calls to Liberal voters?

[stopstaaron]

We'll see what happens. I didn't reply to this because I'm hoping the media will leave some people behind to report on it.

do you mean today or on budget day when the EC officer comes to parliament to talk about the investogation?

CPC invited the EC guy on budget day on purpose.. reporters will be too busy with the budget

Edited March 24, 2012 by stopstaaron

[stopstaaron]

So not only was Poutine sending out robocalls to misdirect voters, but he was also responsible for those alleged annoying calls to Liberal voters?

It looks that way

[g_bambino]

CPC invited the EC guy on budget day on purpose.. reporters will be too busy with the budget

There's more than one reporter in Canada.

[stopstaaron]

There's more than one reporter in Canada.

Sure but you don't think Harper did this on purpose? on the day he's releasing his life changing budget.. theyve been hyping this budget up for half a year!!'!!

and he makes this appointment on the same day?! come on man

he did this to overshadow it..

[Jack Weber]

So not only was Poutine sending out robocalls to misdirect voters, but he was also responsible for those alleged annoying calls to Liberal voters?

I wonder what Dean Del Mastro's 3D canned response (The Liberals have acted in a dishonourable,disgraceful,and,deceitful/dispicable fashion!) will sound like on Monday?

[stopstaaron]

I wonder what Dean Del Mastro's 3D canned response (The Liberals have acted in a dishonourable,disgraceful,and,deceitful/dispicable fashion!) will sound like on Monday?

by monday the tories new ndp attack ads will be aired i bet haha

[capricorn]

So not only was Poutine sending out robocalls to misdirect voters, but he was also responsible for those alleged annoying calls to Liberal voters?

That information was already reported in past articles. The way I read this most recent Maher and McGregor article, the new information reported is that recordings were uploaded but were never sent.

The apparently fake Liberal message was uploaded to RackNine but never sent out.

According to Mathews, the unsent message “had the appearance of being in support of the Frank Valeriote (Liberal Party) campaign in Guelph.”

Poutine had set up a call display number with RackNine to the number for Valeriote’s campaign office. The suspect later deleted the Valeriote call but the recording was retained on the company’s server and provided to Elections Canada.

The call in support of Valeriote raises the possibility that Poutine had intended to use it to annoy the Liberal candidate’s backers but opted instead to send the fake Elections Canada call.

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The documents do not describe the script used in the unsent call supporting Valeriote. But Mathews says, “The voice sounded to me as though computer generated rather than a script read by a person.”

The fake Elections Canada message was also likely recorded using voice synthesis software, according to Prof. Alan Black, a computer speech expert at Carnegie Mellon University’s Language Technologies Institute in Pennsylvania.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Canada/6350494/story.html

[g_bambino]

he did this to overshadow it..

It's the media's responsibility to pick which story they think is more important or give both equal weight. The two events occuring on the same day is no excuse.

[stopstaaron]

It's the media's responsibility to pick which story they think is more important or give both equal weight. The two events occuring on the same day is no excuse.

But will you admit there was strategy involved by the CPC to hold this on budget day?

[Topaz]

I'm just wondering IF there is proof that someone did misdirect voters across Canada or just in Ontario, would there be another election on Oct.9th 2012? To me, it doesn't really matter who did it more than it was done and so the last election was fraud, but first I suppose there may have to be a inquiry before the parliament committee.

[stopstaaron]

I'm just wondering IF there is proof that someone did misdirect voters across Canada or just in Ontario, would there be another election on Oct.9th 2012? To me, it doesn't really matter who did it more than it was done and so the last election was fraud, but first I suppose there may have to be a inquiry before the parliament committee.

If thats all it takes to get a new election that might be done more in the future

I don't want a new election, just by elections where they can prove voters were discouraged to vote

[capricorn]

CPC invited the EC guy on budget day on purpose.. reporters will be too busy with the budget

The Globe's report on that meeting with the Committee doesn't jive with what the CBC reported a week ago.

MPs will be spending next week in their ridings and return to Ottawa March 26. The next procedure and House affairs meeting is March 27, at which point the committee members can discuss whether to invite Mayrand.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/15/pol-elections-canada-committee.html

If the invite was scheduled for budget day as reported by the Globe, I think by now we would have heard howls from the opposition Committee members.

[stopstaaron]

The Globe's report on that meeting with the Committee doesn't jive with what the CBC reported a week ago.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/15/pol-elections-canada-committee.html

If the invite was scheduled for budget day as reported by the Globe, I think by now we would have heard howls from the opposition Committee members.

Globe and mail is not the only one reporting that date, things must have changed in a week

you'll hear the howls monday im sure of it

[capricorn]

Globe and mail is not the only one reporting that date,

Since you appear to be so sure, please provide a link reporting that a meeting is scheduled for March 29.

[cybercoma]

If that date is changed, it's double-dirty. Not only is it scheduled for the budget day, but the date was changed during the NDP leadership convention when they would be too busy to comment on it.

[stopstaaron]

If that date is changed, it's double-dirty. Not only is it scheduled for the budget day, but the date was changed during the NDP leadership convention when they would be too busy to comment on it.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/mps-summon-elections-watchdog-to-talk-robo-calls-on-same-day-as-budget/article2379807/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Politics&utm_content=2379807&service=mobile

[stopstaaron]

Since you appear to be so sure, please provide a link reporting that a meeting is scheduled for March 29.

The journos on twitter have already confirmed it

[capricorn]

If that date is changed, it's double-dirty. Not only is it scheduled for the budget day, but the date was changed during the NDP leadership convention when they would be too busy to comment on it.

I say the Globe is wrong. There has been no change because a meeting with Mayrand has not even been scheduled yet.

The CBC link I provided is dated March 15, just one day before the House recessed until this coming Monday. The Procedures and House Affairs Committee had not yet scheduled a meeting with Mayrand and the Committee is not meeting again until March 27 at which time they'll discuss when to call him. The invite must come from that Committee and no one else. So in-Committee negotiation of when to meet with Mayrand cannot take place until the Committee meets on March 27.