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[waldo]

It was widely speculated that Pierre Poutine had to have access to CIMS to carry out his plan. Maybe that's not the case at all.

yabut, what about the targeting by age? What about the pattern of calls the CBC investigation brought forward - the pattern that shows calls placed following an initial contact... the initial contact said to establish a non-supporter entry into CIMS? What about.....

so, no comment on Brodie's stated, "grounds for an effing huge investigation", hey?

[capricorn]

yabut, what about the targeting by age? What about the pattern of calls the CBC investigation brought forward - the pattern that shows calls placed following an initial contact... the initial contact said to establish a non-supporter entry into CIMS? What about.....

What about it?

so, no comment on Brodie's stated, "grounds for an effing huge investigation", hey?

Yes. I agree with him. I also think EC with the resources at its disposal can do an "effing" huge investigation.

[waldo]

What about it?

what about it? C'mon... kinda distracts from your attempt to distract from CIMS, hey?

in any case, let us not forget yesterday's Del Maestro reinforcement on the 'it could simply be a mistake' theme... and 'the mistake didn't really amount to anything, anyway'... so no problemo!

[capricorn]

C'mon... kinda distracts from your attempt to distract from CIMS, hey?

It was Brodie that presented a possible alternative possibility to the use of CIMS by the perp(s). Since you're the one who originally linked to an article quoting Brodie what I linked is germane to what was reported in your Globe link.

[waldo]

yabut, what about the targeting by age? What about the pattern of calls the CBC investigation brought forward - the pattern that shows calls placed following an initial contact... the initial contact said to establish a non-supporter entry into CIMS? What about.....

What about it?

what about it? C'mon... kinda distracts from your attempt to distract from CIMS, hey?

It was Brodie that presented a possible alternative possibility to the use of CIMS by the perp(s). Since you're the one who originally linked to an article quoting Brodie what I linked is germane to what was reported in your Globe link.

oh please! - your "what about it" and ties to the 'alternate' link to phone# route doesn't address the examples I brought forward. So, nice try.

[capricorn]

oh please! - your "what about it" and ties to the 'alternate' link to phone# route doesn't address the examples I brought forward. So, nice try.

Nice try on your attempt to draw me into the waldo washer.

[waldo]

Nice try on your attempt to draw me into the waldo washer.

I relish each and every opportunity to highlight any/your fall-back personal attacks... fall-back, when ya gots nuthin else, hey?

[WWWTT]

Nice try on your attempt to draw me into the waldo washer.

Haa!Whats a waldo washer?

WWWTT

[cybercoma]

oh please! - your "what about it" and ties to the 'alternate' link to phone# route doesn't address the examples I brought forward. So, nice try.

Nice try on your attempt to draw me into the waldo washer.

Haa!Whats a waldo washer?

WWWTT

I'm not entirely sure, but I think it looks something like this.

[WWWTT]

I'm not entirely sure, but I think it looks something like this.

Ya maybe I better not get involved

WWWTT

[capricorn]

I relish each and every opportunity to highlight any/your fall-back personal attacks... fall-back, when ya gots nuthin else, hey?

If you don't want barbs thrown your way then stop quoting my posts in an apparent attempt to goad a reply out of me.

[Guest Peeves]

Sure, assuming a lie is a lie is a lie. You have to admit that calling voters on election day to tell them that their has been moved, when indeed it had not been, is one of the sleaziest most underhanded things ever done. Not only that but lies about what you're going to implement in a budget is orders of magnitude less than interfering with the electoral process.

Yup, it's sleazy. Once we find out just who is guilty they should be held accountable.

Till then let's assume it was a rogue individual.

[waldo]

If you don't want barbs thrown your way then stop quoting my posts in an apparent attempt to goad a reply out of me.

yes - I can see that posting your own words has a troublesome affect on you! I also see you're following the Del Maestro minimalist routine, lock-step... 'smoooothing' over your insult... calling it a "barb"! Quite clearly you take exception to continually having your contradictions, your inconsistencies, and your overt partisanship highlighted. Carry on!

[Keepitsimple]

Hmmmm....let's see. We've gone from 31000 complaints all across the nation - the worst attck on Canadian democracy in the history of Canada......down to maybe 15,000.....now down to 700 - almost all in Ontario and seemingly all eminating from the same source - the Guelph based Mr. Poutine.

Right from the start, the Conservatives didn't really know what was going on but felt it was probably a rogue operator. That's where things seem to be pointing......and still - in spite of online forms, front page coverage and hysterical attacks......not one Canadian has stepped forward and said they didn't vote because of being mis-directed to a poll.

Another tempest in a teapot right up there with the Afgahn Detainees and the Census Form.....but when they DO find Pierre Poutine - throw the book at him.

[scribblet]

Yup, it's sleazy. Once we find out just who is guilty they should be held accountable.

Till then let's assume it was a rogue individual.

Exactly, but doing that doesn't serve the left's purpose or ambitions, heck who benefits most from this

[madmax]

Yup, it's sleazy. Once we find out just who is guilty they should be held accountable.

Till then let's assume it was a rogue individual.

The voice on the recording is female. Thats interesting as all suspects so far have been male.

[madmax]

Right from the start, the Conservatives didn't really know what was going on but felt it was probably a rogue operator. That's where things seem to be pointing......and still - in spite of online forms, front page coverage and hysterical attacks......not one Canadian has stepped forward and said they didn't vote because of being mis-directed to a poll.

The bolded part of your post is not relevant. Its like the Bank Robber that fails to leave the bank with money...The crime remains the same regardless of the size of the heist.

That said.. the only people suggesting that NOT ONE CANADIAN did not vote because of these calls ... has been the Conservatives.

I am willing to bet there is 1 person.. whether that person comes forward to say "I was duped" or not.

I see this as a red herring.... And I cannot understand why that is the Conservative talking point.

What we have seen from the One report is the pattern of the calls off the one phone spoof.

If I recall correctly.. that one spoof which was first reported by one person has now expanded into the list of area codes and numbers given in previous posts.

That still leaves the the investigation to cover the calls received and documented from Coast to Coast.

Yes, it appears that Pierre Poutine sent some tramp calls to other ridings.. but why worry if this occurred. Those listed were listed as Non Conservative supporters..so in the minds of the people engaging in voter suppression, just get the calls out.. its not like they are going to Conservative supporters.

We have to wait and see the outcomes of the patterns of the other calls received... and where they are traced to.

When someone describes `only 700` complaints....as not alot..its the complaints that are needed to move forward. Therefore I consider 700 complaints to be as significant as the information found in them. The scope of the crime is in the 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands. So we know that hundred of thousands of people can be victims of a criminal act and a very small portion report it.

[waldo]

yes... where did the Conservatives get the/a list of numbers called? Why did the Conservatives have the list of numbers called?”

CBC's Terry Milewski - March17:

“We now have, thanks to [the National Post's] John Ivison, the list of numbers called by Pierre Poutine. Now where did those come from? Well, the Conservative Party, according to John’s story, is likely to use this to show that it was more limited than many people thought – it was kind of Guelph plus extra. That raises the question – where did they get this list of numbers? Where did the Conservatives get it? Why did the Conservatives have it?”

[g_bambino]

That still leaves the the investigation to cover the calls received and documented from Coast to Coast.

What calls from coast to coast?

[Keepitsimple]

The bolded part of your post is not relevant. Its like the Bank Robber that fails to leave the bank with money...The crime remains the same regardless of the size of the heist.

That said.. the only people suggesting that NOT ONE CANADIAN did not vote because of these calls ... has been the Conservatives.

I am willing to bet there is 1 person.. whether that person comes forward to say "I was duped" or not.

I see this as a red herring.... And I cannot understand why that is the Conservative talking point.

I agree that it does not lessen the offense and they should throw the book at the perpetrator. It simply offers a context to all the hysteria that's been trumped up about stealing the election, having dubious results in numerous ridings, demanding by-elections, etc. The actions of Mr. Poutine are insidious - but the evidence as we know it - is that it had zero effect on the outcome of the election. The central target of the attack was Guelph - which was lost convincingly by the Conservatives.

[Rick]

I agree that it does not lessen the offense and they should throw the book at the perpetrator. It simply offers a context to all the hysteria that's been trumped up about stealing the election, having dubious results in numerous ridings, demanding by-elections, etc. The actions of Mr. Poutine are insidious - but the evidence as we know it - is that it had zero effect on the outcome of the election. The central target of the attack was Guelph - which was lost convincingly by the Conservatives.

It could well have meant the difference between a minority and the majority government that the Cons now hold.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Goes anyone here believe that those who were involved acted in a manner considered criminal? If not then would you vote in support of the partisan party involved? To me these are the only real questions to be answered. Those questions can only be asked in a general election. The opinions of all mean nothing in the absence of an electorate exercising democratic rights.

Is that odd considering the nature of the question? There is no doubt of it at all, and yet it is the only solution. With each exercise we need top make changes and go through it all over again. That is the way the system actually works. Its time to wake up to the power and nature of real democracy. You can say what you want as long as you vote. Let the people decide, always.

[waldo]

- but the evidence as we know it - is that it had zero effect on the outcome of the election. The central target of the attack was Guelph - which was lost convincingly by the Conservatives.

the evidence as you would spin it... in recent days I've read mainstream articles drawing reference to a regularly updated list that exists - a list of ridings about which there has been some sort of allegation in the news regarding fake telephone calls during the previous election: calls impersonating another political party, or calls impersonating Elections Canada, or harassment calls, etc.... that regularly updated list, with full associated media citations, is now up to 94 affected ridings, from coast-to-coast.

[YEGmann]

It could well have meant the difference between a minority and the majority government that the Cons now hold.

You cannot substantiate your statement.

All calls made by "Pierre Poutine" have been traced. Almost all of them (over 5,000) were made in the Guelph riding. The other calls constitute about 100 in several ridings in Ontario, made obviously by some mistake, because they sent voters to the poll station in Guelph (an existing poll station by the way).

[madmax]

I agree that it does not lessen the offense and they should throw the book at the perpetrator. It simply offers a context to all the hysteria that's been trumped up about stealing the election, having dubious results in numerous ridings, demanding by-elections, etc. The actions of Mr. Poutine are insidious - but the evidence as we know it - is that it had zero effect on the outcome of the election. The central target of the attack was Guelph - which was lost convincingly by the Conservatives.

Well, I don't really care what people think with regards to their speculation and a stolen election.

Yes some ridings were close and it may have made a a difference.

Some ridings it didn't make a difference at all.

Regardless it shouldn't be happening or our elections will become as bogus and hysterical as the US elections get.

I don't care that Guelph was convincingly won by the Liberals any more then the previous arguments in this thread where people claim...and its only a claim.... that no one lost their vote in the elections fraud.

While Elections Canada has the right to order a byelection.. I believe this activity is more severe then a by election could fix. Its not about the by election...its about getting to the bottom...

Thats going to take time...

And maybe the culprits will never be apprehended...