Bryan Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Suppression of Liberal & NDP voters Best election result in party history for the NDP? Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Best election result in party history for the NDP? Sure but the Liberals and NDP "might" have been able to win a few more seats to give Harper a weaker majority Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) Really? You're claiming suppression, but the fact is more people voted. That is the opposite. 2700 + + + + + + + perhaps??? Edited March 9, 2012 by Shakeyhands Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Bryan Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Dude, I don't think Conservatives have any secret information on how to win elections Keep thinking that. It's quite helpful. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Keep thinking that. It's quite helpful. Are you implying that the tricks Conservatives use to win the elections are somewhat unethical or illegal and that is why you don't want the opposition to see? Quote
capricorn Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 It was brought out in the House that the Tories are now working with EC because EC, got a subpoena for all of their documents was issued. Well, that's according to Bob Rae. Rae made a claim of subpoenas being issued against the Conservative party in the robocall affair, which the governing party insisted was factually incorrect. http://thechronicleherald.ca/canada/71605-pm-mum-elections-canada-plan I could not find any mention of subpoenas in the Elections Canada Act. The Act does address orders to produce documents. It doesn't seem that issuing a production order means that the person(s) in possession of documents is under investigation. Just as it was made clear that RackNine is not under investigation although Elections Canada would want to access their records. Judicial Means--- 67..... 68.....Production orders are issued for persons not under investigation, but who are required to provide the Commissioner or one of the investigators with the information or documents in their possession described in the order. http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=abo&dir=com/bul&document=p2〈=e Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
capricorn Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Are you implying that the tricks Conservatives use to win the elections are somewhat unethical or illegal and that is why you don't want the opposition to see? That's some deep thinking there OLP. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Bryan Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 2700 + + + + + + + perhaps??? Perhaps what? Perhaps Elections Canada officials are incompetent for processing incomplete applications? EC are the ones responsible for making sure the forms are complete and the ID checked, whatever party those registrants might support isn't a factor in the slightest. That they rushed out to vote at the last minute is against evidence of the opposite of suppression, it's a sense of urgency, that this election mattered. Almost 5000 MORE people voted in Volpe's riding. Considering what a complete disaster the Liberal campaign was, the fact that Volpe's own vote count was only down by about 500 is a testament to how much of his supporters did get out and vote. 5000 more voters in one riding. That's not suppression. It's somewhat ironic though, that Volpe--a guy who was caught signing up dead people to party memberships for his leadership bid, destroying his opponents' campaign material, and accepted political donations from children to circumvent campaign donor limits -- is the one whining about improper paperwork. Quote
Bryan Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Are you implying that the tricks Conservatives use to win the elections are somewhat unethical or illegal and that is why you don't want the opposition to see? I'm saying they are proprietary information. CPC are better campaigners than the LPC and NDP, and they are not about to start training you on how to do your own damn job just because you don't like how the election turned out. Quote
eyeball Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) Nobody cares about some annoying phone calls. If someone chooses not to vote because they got a phone call that was annoying, THEY are the ones who "don't deserve to live in a democratic country". Besides, turnout was actually UP by almost a million voters. I admit I voted but I really had to will myself to do so. In my case it was a matter of giving it the old college try despite my sense that voting only encourages the lying bastards. As for these election robocalls, I'm pretty sure I got a few but I always hang up on robots the instant it's obvious there's no one there. I personally have not met anyone who listened to such a message in it's entirety. Everyone I've ever talked to treats telemarketing like it was junk mail or spam. The people who provide this service must be amongst the very best snake-oil salespeople the planet has ever seen. What this says about the suckers willing to pay for this service is one thing but imagine what it says about people who would vote for such a sucker. Edited March 9, 2012 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shakeyhands Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Perhaps what? Perhaps Elections Canada officials are incompetent for processing incomplete applications? EC are the ones responsible for making sure the forms are complete and the ID checked, whatever party those registrants might support isn't a factor in the slightest. That they rushed out to vote at the last minute is against evidence of the opposite of suppression, it's a sense of urgency, that this election mattered. Almost 5000 MORE people voted in Volpe's riding. Considering what a complete disaster the Liberal campaign was, the fact that Volpe's own vote count was only down by about 500 is a testament to how much of his supporters did get out and vote. 5000 more voters in one riding. That's not suppression. It's somewhat ironic though, that Volpe--a guy who was caught signing up dead people to party memberships for his leadership bid, destroying his opponents' campaign material, and accepted political donations from children to circumvent campaign donor limits -- is the one whining about improper paperwork. I thought about the Volpe dead when I read the article as well... That said, my point is, 2700 here, 5000 there, etc... it could add up across the country. It's as easy for me to say that fraudulent votes were counted as it is for you to say there was no suppression and the number of people who voted actually went up. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
capricorn Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 As for these election robocalls, I'm pretty sure I got a few but I always hang up on robots the instant it's obvious there's no one there. Same here. What I do when I get an automated message, I hit the pound key repeatedly and hang up. I read somewhere that could trip up their call sequence or something to that effect. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
UofGPolitico Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Same here. What I do when I get an automated message, I hit the pound key repeatedly and hang up. I read somewhere that could trip up their call sequence or something to that effect. Yeah, I tend to hang up too, whether its a political party or some telemarketing company telling me I can erase my debt in seconds! Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 I don't even answer the phone when I see a number I don't know. If it's someone real they'll leave a message Quote
eyeball Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 I guess it goes without saying that a political party's desire to be heard trumps your being on a do-not-call-registry. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
UofGPolitico Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Preston Manning says Robo-calls should worry all politicians Ottawa Citizen article Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Preston Manning says Robo-calls should worry all politicians Ottawa Citizen article he also said canadians are moving to the right, which is not true, but hey at least he got himself back in the news Quote
madmax Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Nobody cares about some annoying phone calls. If someone chooses not to vote because they got a phone call that was annoying, THEY are the ones who "don't deserve to live in a democratic country". Besides, turnout was actually UP by almost a million voters. Sounds like the Failed Bank Robber excuse.... Quote
jefferiah Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) Yeah, I tend to hang up too, whether its a political party or some telemarketing company telling me I can erase my debt in seconds! Never hang up on a political party. Charities and political parties do not have to comply with the national do-not-call list. It is expensive to keep up to date with the do-not-call list, and therefore not realistic for non-profit calls. They are, however, required to keep their own internal lists. The catch is they are not required to tell you about it. But if you know, simply ask the caller to put you on their do-not-call list. Edited March 9, 2012 by jefferiah Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
Wild Bill Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 he also said canadians are moving to the right, which is not true, but hey at least he got himself back in the news If that is not true, then why did the Tory support increase to where they won a majority? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olpfan1 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 If that is not true, then why did the Tory support increase to where they won a majority? 26% of Canadians voted for the conservatives (they are right wingers) 26 % out of 100% is hardly moving to the right Quote
capricorn Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 26% of Canadians voted for the conservatives (they are right wingers) 26 % out of 100% is hardly moving to the right 60% of eligible voters showed up at the polls. Maybe you have an idea which party the 40% who didn't vote support today. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
olpfan1 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) 60% of eligible voters showed up at the polls. Maybe you have an idea which party the 40% who didn't vote support today. nobody can claim the country is moving to the right just because 6 million canadians voted for the conservatives when 8 million canadians voted for the other parties all that does is say more canadians voted for anybody but harper I can't speculate on the 11 million that were eligible to vote but didn't and neither can you Edited March 9, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
eyeball Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 ...simply ask the caller to put you on their do-not-call list. How do you ask a robocaller that? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
cybercoma Posted March 9, 2012 Author Report Posted March 9, 2012 Logic is not your strong suit, is it? How can you be so condescending and clueless at the same time? Increased voter turnout doesn't mean suppression didn't take place. The turnout may have been even higher than what it was. You don't know. EC is investigating and it seems from various accounts that the vote was suppressed. If you recall, which you conveniently won't, most analysts were suprised that the numbers weren't much higher than they were. Quote
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