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[olpfan1]

Wolves watching the wolves or hens or ohhhh... crap Where did all the evidence go? If this was a proper investigation BY ANYBODY.. Those tapes or drives would have been seized and sealed. What a joke.

yeah everyone is wondering why they havent been seized as evidence

[capricorn]

I rendered that years ago when I started opting out of voting. I just can't get over the sense I've been playing with shit or enabling some abuser when I cast a vote.

On that score I must admit eyeball, you've been consistent.

[capricorn]

yeah everyone is wondering why they havent been seized as evidence

Me too.

[huh]

It is amusing to watch Peter Mansbridge try to throw gasoline on the fire while Chantal Hebert calls his assertions not credible in her opinion.

[olpfan1]

It is amusing to watch Peter Mansbridge try to throw gasoline on the fire while Chantal Hebert calls his assertions not credible in her opinion.

what was he asserting

[capricorn]

what was he asserting

Check your tweets. Maybe the answer is in there somewhere. And make sure you report back, hey?

[huh]

another home run of logic and sensibility for rex murphy

[olpfan1]

I don't follow twitter and don't have Canadian TV right now, so, is it you saying that or can you provide a link or source.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/01/pol-robocalls-elections-canada.html

Pierre Poilievre and Dean Del Mastro pointed in question period to Liberal candidates who, they said, used a company based in North Dakota to make calls soliciting support.

"The opposition parties said that [their supporters] received calls from a telephone firm with offices in North Dakota. But the only party who hired a firm with offices in North Dakota was the Liberal Party," Poilievre said.

NDP MP Charlie Angus, who spoke right after Poilievre, pointed out that was incorrect.

"Mr. Speaker, they're going to need to get some better researchers, because there is a firm in North Dakota with the same name, but it actually doesn't work for the Liberal Party," he said.

The confusion centred on three call companies with similar names, including Prime Contact Group, based in Canada, and Prime Contact Inc., based in North Dakota.

A spokesman for Prime Contact Inc. told CBC News that the company has never worked for a Canadian political party or candidate and is not affiliated in any way with Prime Contact Group.

Harper said a third company, First Contact, routed its calls through the U.S. A number of Liberal campaigns used First Contact for calls during the 2011 election and in at least one previous election.

But First Contact owner Mike O'Neill told the CBC's Dave Seglins last April that someone was "spoofing" First Contact's numbers — projecting a fake caller ID — to impersonate his company.

Edited March 2, 2012 by olpfan1

[olpfan1]

I am pissed that EC is going to let the CPC tamper with evidence ..their is no way no how the CPC should be allowed anywhere near those files... they are the ones being investigated! and they're even going to talk to the employees...this is so wrong

there has to be damning information on those calls otherwise harper wouldn't risk sending people to "check out" the tapes

probably thinks its better to be suspected of fraud than for the public to know 100 % that he did engage in fraud

Edited March 2, 2012 by olpfan1

[waldo]

I don't follow twitter and don't have Canadian TV right now, so, is it you saying that or can you provide a link or source.

Harper Conservative blundering bumbleheads!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaiNX6ulj2A&feature=player_embedded#!

[Bryan]

I am pissed that EC is going to let the CPC tamper with evidence ..their is no way no how the CPC should be allowed anywhere near those files... they are the ones being investigated! and they're even going to talk to the employees...this is so wrong

there has to be damning information on those calls otherwise harper wouldn't risk sending people to "check out" the tapes

probably thinks its better to be suspected of fraud than for the public to know 100 % that he did engage in fraud

Really? You honestly think after the witch hunt that EC did on them the last time (and the BS of alerting the media and the opposition to come down and witness the raid), that the CPC is going to give any inside info to EC or the opposition? The opposition wants to get ahold of CPC campaign strategy so they can learn how to run their own. It's not happening, not even with a warrant.

[olpfan1]

Really? You honestly think after the witch hunt that EC did on them the last time (and the BS of alerting the media and the opposition to come down and witness the raid), that the CPC is going to give any inside info to EC or the opposition? The opposition wants to get ahold of CPC campaign strategy so they can learn how to run their own. It's not happening, not even with a warrant.

When you say "inside info" you actually mean "info that shows that the conservatives are guilty"

LOL, and witch hunt? really? They were guilty of overspending at least 20 million dollars..

Edited March 2, 2012 by olpfan1

[waldo]

Really? You honestly think after the witch hunt that EC did on them the last time (and the BS of alerting the media and the opposition to come down and witness the raid), that the CPC is going to give any inside info to EC or the opposition? The opposition wants to get ahold of CPC campaign strategy so they can learn how to run their own. It's not happening, not even with a warrant.

oh, you mean that lil' incident that resulted in the watered-down plea bargain... that still had Harper Conservatives pleading guilty to election finance fraud? That's it, right?

by the by, perhaps I missed it... was it definitively determined that Elections Canada alerted media of the intended raid of Conservative Party headquarters?

as for your bold pomposity about Harper Conservatives not cooperating with Elections Canada... ya, make it so! That will really resonate with thinking Canadians, big time!

[olpfan1]

oh my god michael sona was the link between the guelph campaign AND the national party headquarters

he wasnt just communications director... this is big I think

http://www.guelphmercury.com/iphone/news/article/680217--guelph-conservatives-felt-national-party-influence-documents-suggest?utm_term=canpoli&utm_content=bc%20politics&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=canpoli

Edited March 2, 2012 by olpfan1

[olpfan1]

And after Harper got done saying the CPC havent used any American call centres its revealed that Jason Kenney

spent 45000 at a call centre in Virgina

payment made through racknine

Edited March 2, 2012 by olpfan1

[scribblet]

As I said earlier, it was just a matter of time until someone claimed that Elections Canada is in the back pocket of the Conservatives.

Of course not, it's an organ of the Conservative party.

Sheez, and here I always thought it was organ of the Liberal party LOL

[cybercoma]

Seems you don't really need a phone OR a robocaller to disrupt things!

More Irregularities and a law suit.

These voters that all left and did not cast ballots are a disgrace to democracy. There are people overseas that voted under threat of death. They were marked with ink in the process, making them highly identifiable. Meanwhile, some confusion at the polling stations or arguments between scrutineers and returning officers turns away Canadian voters. What miserable ungrateful cowards those people are.

[cybercoma]

I am pissed that EC is going to let the CPC tamper with evidence ..their is no way no how the CPC should be allowed anywhere near those files... they are the ones being investigated! and they're even going to talk to the employees...this is so wrong

What a clusterf___! You don't let the suspects play with the evidence during an investigation. That's ridiculous. Edited March 2, 2012 by cybercoma

[Topaz]

Democracy Watch, a citizen organization, says the main problem with EC has been forcing the law fairly, and lack of transparency. EC, have 1334 complaints 200, 2006 and 2008. In 2011, 1872 complaints of accessibility problems, 2956 e-mails about voting rule confusion and 1003 of other issues. D Watch is also concerned that EC is up to investgating the robocalls, which is a good question and its very important that is be done BEFORE the next election. I'm not sure if this is the same organization, but I caught a tail-end of a interview with a citizen's group that was going to bring some kind of lawsuit into this to EC or the government. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/watchdog-says-elections-canada-isn-t-doing-enough-210513183.html

Edited March 2, 2012 by Topaz

[Topaz]

Well, it seem the best investigator is on the case. It's being report today, that Ronald Lamothe, who research found the Tories guilty of the "in and out" scam and was fined $52,000 in a plead bargain, which included Sen. Doug Finley, who I might add was one of the people with the offer to Cadman, got out of going to jail. So I guess we'll have to wait to see what he turns up. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1139028--stephen-harper-goes-on-the-offence-over-robocalls-asking-where-s-the-proof?bn=1

[Shakeyhands]

As I said, something just isn't right. I would think it imperative that the Government call a full inquiry in to this. Where is zeal for which the Conservatives had for other scandals? Why the hesitation to set things right in the form of an inquiry?

[scribblet]

This link to a The Star article was posted before but it appears to have been pulled.

Records of several people voting twice is a serious situation. I wonder if Elections Canada are investigating this. Would be an easy investigation since Elections Canada already has their names and addresses.

They are investigating I believe, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the robo calls, it's a different issue, one that should be looked at. Having said that, I've worked in returning offices and on advance and regular polls, 'd be surprised if it happened to that extent. We did have a case of one person voting twice who was found and dealt with, but to the extent that he's alleging, I doubt it.

[Dave_ON]

Can't do that in Canada...don't you remember the Gomery Commission and all those gag orders?

Other than our stockpile BMD's (Beavers of Mass Destruction), absolutely not.

[waldo]

Having said that, I've worked in returning offices and on advance and regular polls, 'd be surprised if it happened to that extent.

yes, I keep reading you state you've 'worked elections' before... your continued anecdotal based opinion is noted.

[Dave_ON]

Same crap happened with Bush vs Gore (Florida) and Bush vs Kerry ("rigged vote machines"). A bunch of sore losers, the lot of them.

Which both have precisely 0 bearing or relevance to Canadian Politics whatsoever. In case BC hasn't chimed in on this one already and I paraphrase him.... "No Canadian political discussion would be complete without a reference to the US"