Peter Gleick Admits to Deception in Obtaining Heartland Climate Files

GostHacked · February 23, 2012

you prefaced your statement on a reference you provided... your described co-workers acceptance of the theory of AGW... which obviously doesn't presuppose on your pet short-term, local/regional weather mod/man conflations with extended timeline global climate.

Actually he came at me today asking for more links about weather modification. And I am not saying there is a definate link, I am saying that you and the AGW crowd are missing the data from these weather modification programs to accuratley talk about climate change. If you believe weather can be manipulated, then you understand that the climate data is already skewed because it is missing this information.

I could be completley wrong on this, and I am at least willing to acknowledge that. Some are not even prepared or willing to accept the possibility that they could be wrong on a certain topic.

I have no interest in you continuing to derail this thread with another of your distractions. Why don't you actually start up a thread and attempt to substantiate your claims of weather mod/man as the alternate causal link to GW/CC...
the causal link other than anthropogenic sourced CO2. Why don't you actually step-up and showcase the "real skepticism" you recently so adamantly stated you have. Easy to say - much, much more difficult for you to carry through on, hey?

I already started a thread called 'geo-engineering'. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17581, which you posted already. And came out of the gates making insults and being a dick about it. I don't resort to insults and name calling when I am trying to get a point across.

Edited February 23, 2012 by GostHacked

waldo · February 23, 2012

I already started a thread called 'geo-engineering'. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17581, which you posted already.

suggest you take your most generalized & broad-based implications on "weather modification/manipulation", ramp them up to full-blown geo-engineering, and take your conflating weather and climate nonsense to that thread.

Edited February 23, 2012 by waldo

GostHacked · February 23, 2012

suggest you take your most generalized & broad-based implications on "weather modification/manipulation", ramp them up to full-blown geo-engineering, and take your conflating weather and climate nonsense to that thread.

I'll make you a deal. I'll do that if you promise to not call others names and constantly treat everyone who disagrees with you like children.

lukin · February 26, 2012

I can't believe how desperate the alarmist camp is. Why are they hell-bent on trying to fool the world? The sad thing is that they have fooled way too many people, including a number of people on this 2-bit forum. What is their real agenda? what is behind this fake panic?

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/02/fakegate-the-sound-of-a-meme-collapsing/

waldo · February 26, 2012

I can't believe

I can believe how you continue to run from this post :lol:

MLW member lukin note: don't hesitate to comment on

this post
, hey?

and good job on linking to Australia's number 1 fake skeptic's Joe Nova blog!

lukin · February 26, 2012

I can believe how you continue to run from this post

and good job on linking to Australia's number 1 fake skeptic's Joe Nova blog!

Fake alarmist John Moore???? :lol:

Edited February 26, 2012 by lukin

waldo · February 26, 2012

sure you can! :lol:

I can't believe

I can believe how you continue to run from this post

MLW member lukin note: don't hesitate to comment on

this post
, hey?

lukin · March 1, 2012

sure you can!

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I asked you over a year ago, what You(waldo) are doing on a personal level to combat climate change. You still haven't answered that. Why was that question so difficult for you to answer.

waldo · March 1, 2012

MLW member lukin note: don't hesitate to comment on this post, hey?

lukin · March 1, 2012

I'm used to your dodging real questions, waldo. That's why you are not to be taken seriously. you excel at excessive yapping.

waldo · March 1, 2012

you excel at excessive yapping.

insult & trolling reported

waldo · March 1, 2012

I asked you over a year ago, what You(waldo) are doing on a personal level to combat climate change. You still haven't answered that. Why was that question so difficult for you to answer.

oh wait, I did answer you - apparently, you had difficulty responding :lol:

Answer why it's so important for you to have that answer. Why do you care... what measure would you apply against an answer, any answer. Why is it so important for you to have that answer, lukin?

in any case, do you actually have something to discuss... on topic... or are you simply content to continue to stir the pot and further devolve this thread? Do you actually have something... anything... to discuss?

as I said, in terms of you having something to discuss, perhaps you could start with the request you seem to have difficulty with:

MLW member lukin note: don't hesitate to comment on

this post
, hey?

lukin · March 2, 2012

insult & trolling reported

You don't say? :lol: :rolleyes:

sharkman · March 2, 2012

I'm used to your dodging real questions, waldo. That's why you are not to be taken seriously. you excel at excessive yapping.

That about nails it. Most of the time when arguing with conservatives all Waldo does is dispute their comments with rambling word filled posts of empty factoid leftwing nonsense. He never responds to simple questions of what he is doing or believes on an issue, or to present HIS theory in a discussion. This is because he doesn't want to defend himself, but rather to attack others instead. It's a basic ploy to be on the offensive and it reveals that this is only a game, or entertainment to him.

I stopped answering his posts after I realized this. I want to talk to an adult not play games with a kid.

BubberMiley · March 2, 2012

I stopped answering his posts after I realized this. I want to talk to an adult not play games with a kid.

Translation: He knows more than me and makes me look foolish, so I am frightened to engage.

sharkman · March 2, 2012

Translation: He knows more than me and makes me look foolish, so I am frightened to engage.

Now that is a good effort, but apparently you have never been in a debate with Waldo and asked him a simple question, which he never answers as he then starts acting like a puppy who's got the ball the kids were playing with. Like the time in the "Grade Obama" thread where after he attacked several of us who went ahead and graded Obama, would not offer his own opinion on a grade when asked. After several more attempts and the childish responses(like yours) it became clear he likes being chased around.

Edited March 2, 2012 by sharkman

BubberMiley · March 2, 2012

Now that is a good effort, but apparently you have never been in a debate with Waldo and asked him a simple question, which he never answers as he then starts acting like a puppy who's got the ball the kids were playing with.

I have, however, seen him win debates against you, and then I've seen you try to derail the debate by pursuing irrelevant details about his personal opinions and preferences. :lol:

sharkman · March 2, 2012

Debates about what? I've been mostly away from this forum in the last year, and hardly remember Waldo before that. I've refused his 'attempts' at debating for the most part in my last 500 posts or so, which is my current binge on this forum. Either you are going by memory influenced by bias or you have an incredible brain as you recall something from 2+ years ago.

But so what? My point stands. Waldo, when debating conservatives, prefers attacking another's position rather than defending his own. I've seen him on this forum in the middle of the night totally juiced about nothing, trying to goad another into meaningless arguments.

Edited March 2, 2012 by sharkman

BubberMiley · March 2, 2012

Debates about what?

Mostly the weather.

sharkman · March 2, 2012

Mostly the weather.

Oops, I edited that post to add more, I guess just as you were posting your latest.

BubberMiley · March 2, 2012

Waldo, when debating conservatives, prefers attacking another's position rather than defending his own. I've seen him on this forum in the middle of the night totally juiced about nothing, trying to goad another into meaningless arguments.

You, however, rely on the tried-and-true method of attacking people's arguments based on your perceived "religiosity" of their beliefs, and coming into debates just to say you aren't interested in debating because you don't feel you can change their mind. :blink:

Edited March 2, 2012 by BubberMiley

sharkman · March 2, 2012

Yes, that I do when it comes to environmentalism. With some it is a cult. When people are willing to break the law and endanger others, something's wrong. But mostly I leave those threads alone.

BubberMiley · March 2, 2012

But mostly I leave those threads alone.

Other than to make announcements that you are not interested in debating the topic.

waldo · March 3, 2012

You, however, rely on the tried-and-true method of attacking people's arguments based on your perceived "religiosity" of their beliefs, and coming into debates just to say you aren't interested in debating because you don't feel you can change their mind.

ha! BM, you have him pegged! Of course, let us not forget his chief mainstay - the insult and distraction/deflection drive-by.