bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 I wasn't saying that, I assume it is as much Canadian content providers as much as anyone else who would want to cripple our Internet. Although it could just as well be American Media companies. I don't know. "Your Internet" is an oxymoron. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 "Your Internet" is an oxymoron. I am clearly using Internet here for a synonymous term for our ISPs Bush come on you are better then this nit picky BS. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 ever since i read tony clement told his assistant to tell the americans to put canada on a list with russia and china to shame the canadian public into accepting the US style copyright bill Ive been weary Then don't accept it...and accordingly, reject other "American style" media and content. Or do you want to only reject American style legislation while continuing to steal "American style" media? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Got this on my twitter “@CBCAlerts: Toews surprised by content of online surveillance bill . Public Security minister says bill can be amended. #cdnpoli” surprised?! yeah right That is completely unacceptable. How do you put forward a bill, tell people that oppose it that they support child pornographers, then turn around and say you're surprised by the bill's contents? This is gross ineptitude that undermines the supremacy of parliament. It is a dangerous situation when MPs begin putting forward and viciously defend legislation that they have not even read, let alone understand. I hope that headline is grossly misleading because Toews ought to resign if that's the case and the Conservatives ought to be ashamed of themselves. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 I am clearly using Internet here for a synonymous term for our ISPs Bush come on you are better then this nit picky BS. You still don't understand the nature of the "Internet". It's really cute.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 Then don't accept it...and accordingly, reject other "American style" media and content. Or do you want to only reject American style legislation while continuing to steal "American style" media? How is watching american tv shows on tv stealing? Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 I admit i do watch tv shows on the net and websites that would be killed by sopa and acta but in all fairness i do buy the dvds when they come out and i do watch a lot of youtube videos of old wrestling shows but i figure since i buy wrestling merch and products often that it evens out same for music, if i like a song i hear on youtube ill buy it on itunes im hardly a thief Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 How is watching american tv shows on tv stealing? Duplication and distribution of such content without compensation is stealing. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 I admit i do watch tv shows on the net and websites that would be killed by sopa and acta but in all fairness i do buy the dvds when they come out and i do watch a lot of youtube videos of old wrestling shows I know...American media makes your life a little bit more bearable in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 I know...American media makes your life a little bit more bearable in Canada. Damn right it does Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 That is completely unacceptable. How do you put forward a bill, tell people that oppose it that they support child pornographers, then turn around and say you're surprised by the bill's contents? This is gross ineptitude that undermines the supremacy of parliament. It is a dangerous situation when MPs begin putting forward and viciously defend legislation that they have not even read, let alone understand. I hope that headline is grossly misleading because Toews ought to resign if that's the case and the Conservatives ought to be ashamed of themselves. Has a member of the CPC ever resigned since 2006? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Damn right it does See..we do agree on something! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 These bills aren't coming from the Reform wing. The Reformer respected openness, transparency, and civil liberties at least. Hear! Hear!The Reformers ought to stand up for their principles. This is quickly getting ridiculous. Quote
Evening Star Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 It is a sad day for what was a proud democracy. Seriously I don't ask my MPs to read every bill I do ask them to hire someone competent to read them and inform what they are voting on. They can't even do this seriously? THAT IS YOUR JOB. These people don't deserve the office they hold. Ha, I totally still thought MPs do read every bill. Quote
Guest Manny Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Ha, I totally still thought MPs do read every bill. Really? Are you also among those who voted for "the best of the worst"? Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 Ha, I totally still thought MPs do read every bill. Me too, what are these politicians actually doing for their six digit salary and pension if they do not read bills? Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Ha, I totally still thought MPs do read every bill. While maybe you and I would think that any competent representative could realistically be expected to not only read the damned legislation, but in addition understand what they would choose to support or not. On the other hand lately many folks wonder how high up the political food chain it takes to get a functional model of political competence. I would tend to think that most folks would have aspirations of being found to be on the proper side of a political playing field in terms of partisan support. By that I mean siding with the majority, of whatever damned stripe of political persuasion forms the current government of the day. So to that end I will continue to suggest to any one who cares to listen that participation in the political process is an entrenched right within our constitution. Democracy rules, always. One way or another, citizens need to consider the necessity of legislating said citizens into legal requirements the participation in designated electoral events. Mandating the legal responsibility of voting WILL eliminate the political apathy that detracts from the power of the people to mandate political platforms beyond mere partisan design. Popular support is not mob rule, that is mere myth. Democracy REQUIRES paticipation, this is not exactly news. Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) awesome toews just pissed off anonymous and they want hin to scrap the bill and resign or else theyll unleash something, i cant wait to see what they do http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhecKjSpi3Jo%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded&feature=player_embedded&v=hecKjSpi3Jo&gl=CA Edited February 18, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
punked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Just thought I would point this one out. "Mr. Speaker, all I am asking the member to do is actually read the bill and then be honest with Canadians." - Toews, Feb 14, 2012 Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 Hello Vic Toews We are Anonymous. Recently you have tried to reintroduce the internet spy bill known as Bill C-30. You claim this bill is to protect children from internet predators. All this legislation does is give your corrupted government more power to control its citizens. Anonymous will not stand for this. Now after a severe internet backlash you have decided to backtrack and bring this before a committee. This is not good enough. We demand that you scrap the bill in its entirety and step down as safety minister. We know all about you Mr Toews, and during operation white north we will release what we have, unless you scrap this bill. We told you to expect us We are Legion, We do not forgive, We do not forget, We are here FOLLOW ANONYMOUS CANADA ON TWITTER: http://www.twitter.com/AnonymousNorth Quote
cybercoma Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 I can appreciate that not every MP will read every single bill brought before Parliament. They have staffers to inform them of the bills' intents and they are told how to vote by the party whip anyway. However, if you're the MP presenting the legislation and claiming those that don't support it stand with child pornographers, you damn well ought to know what you're tabling. Now that he has "concerns" someone ought to ask Toews if he's with the child pornographers. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Not riots. But a government trying to sneak legislation like this through in a free country should wake up the next day with not a single supporter. Unless it affects people in a negitive way, not many will pay attention to it. We here on MLW have all seen how the Internet is being clamped down worldwide. This battle has been going on for about the last 10 years. Being heavily involved in IT in my job, all that is always on my radar. I love technology, I don't like how it's being used as a tool to know everything about everyone. Facebook is admitedly used for datamining by entities like the FBI and CIA, CSIC, ect ect. Your content you upload to sites may no longer be your content once that is uploaded. Apparently all my videos and music on youtube and soundcloud are no longer soley mine. Read the fine print people. Location of the forum doesn't change the laws that my country is governed by, maybe you don't get that. Fact is don't pretend your laws are the ones that govern my country because they don't. The laws of each country don't matter much anyways. Canada and the USA now get their marching orders from the UN. Legislation like this is being introduced in many countries. This is a world wide coordinated effort to clamp down the Internet. BC04 can play the jerk as much as he wants, but he knows the real deal and we are all screwed. Which makes his posts all that much more .. sad. Dont talk to the troll and it will just go away. Agreed, it stopped respoding to my posts some time ago. And I did not even have to put him on ignore!!! Then don't accept it...and accordingly, reject other "American style" media and content. Or do you want to only reject American style legislation while continuing to steal "American style" media? One of my fave new artists is a guy from the USA called Brother Ali, called Uncle Sam Goddam. Somehow I don't think this guy minds if his stuff is pirated. Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Hear! Hear! The Reformers ought to stand up for their principles. This is quickly getting ridiculous. Why should they? Obviously, the old PC people are in control. There's little or nothing the Reform supporters can do! The new party's structure is NOT based on that of the Reform Party! It is the same as the old PC Party from the days of Mulroney and before. The party brass run everything and are answerable only in theory to the party membership. I supposed they could try to totally split and destroy the party. I'm sure that would please you, punked and Olpfan1 very much! It would mean that the opposition parties would have a much easier chance to take over. You are asking the Reform wing, such as what remains, to accept a cure worse than the disease! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
punked Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Why should they? Obviously, the old PC people are in control. There's little or nothing the Reform supporters can do! The new party's structure is NOT based on that of the Reform Party! It is the same as the old PC Party from the days of Mulroney and before. The party brass run everything and are answerable only in theory to the party membership. I supposed they could try to totally split and destroy the party. I'm sure that would please you, punked and Olpfan1 very much! It would mean that the opposition parties would have a much easier chance to take over. You are asking the Reform wing, such as what remains, to accept a cure worse than the disease! Listen I would never want the Reform party back. Many of the active NDP members I know were Reform members. They like being part of a party that respect civil liberties and where they think their voice is heard. You guys took many of our votes back in the day, I am glad there is only one populous party out there. Quote
Sa'adoni Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Why should they? Obviously, the old PC people are in control. There's little or nothing the Reform supporters can do! The new party's structure is NOT based on that of the Reform Party! It is the same as the old PC Party from the days of Mulroney and before. The party brass run everything and are answerable only in theory to the party membership. I supposed they could try to totally split and destroy the party. I'm sure that would please you, punked and Olpfan1 very much! It would mean that the opposition parties would have a much easier chance to take over. You are asking the Reform wing, such as what remains, to accept a cure worse than the disease! Just be happy your biometric data and SIN arn't required to open a phone or internet account. Once they tie in facial recognition and other biometrics into phone and internet access that is approved by the police "an internet MAC certificate" etc.. that is when they will be able to monitor well. There are still many loopholes, such as hotspots including wardialing. What they need to do is work with companies like google to put up hidden cameras in lampposts with residences with hotspot access and monitor those points persistently. Peoples phones however are still stolden, so having a gps device that locates the position of every phone to make phone theft illegal - eg no access without gps localization and biometric verification etc... the laws don't go far enough to shut down the criminals. This stuff will be phased in with "electronic wallets" though.. once it is a standard for mobile computing it will be easier to apply to home and business systems. Once this is done people will move from beating the system to communalism for access to resources in the system. Get it done. It will happen the faster it is done the more control Canadians will have. If Canada wants freedom it must support everyones freedom not just their own interests. People must accept the dark nature of humanity to know people arn't always as the ideal insists. Even if not criminal god knows all, it is dehumanizing the first time you are stripped naked and told to spread your cheeks for some, much like it is humiliating for other to know that they watch sex in the city and not the football game on sunday nights, or that they are really gay, or that they are budist and have been telling their parents they are christians, or that they are a business person who is really communist who KNOWS but the fact is, living a lie is not living a purelife. The bottom line is we must kill the totalitarian fascists then it won't matter if we are a gay Buddhist communist who watches sex in the city on Sunday nights rather than a christian capitalist footballer Edited February 19, 2012 by Sa'adoni Quote
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