AusKanada Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 Poll I am just interested what parties people support here on the forums. Above is a poll. Check it out! Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 I wouldn't affiliate myself with any of our parties if you put a gun in my crotch and pulled the trigger. Actually that's a lie, I like the Rhino party. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
greyman Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 There isn't one decent political party in this country that I can find. I hope that changes someday. How hard is it to start one, and attract members/candidates? I suspect very... Quote
Scotty Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 I am a dedicated supporter of Stephen Harper. I have an alter in my house with Stephen's picture and every night I light incense and pray to Stephen to protect me and my economy from Godless leftists and liberals. May they rot in hellfire and damnation to the end of time!! Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
AusKanada Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Posted February 4, 2012 An NDP friend of mine once told me that it wasn't that her party was perfect, it was that it was closest to her beliefs. She rarely agreed with NDP foreign policy, but loved their social democratic social policy. Sometimes it's about voting for those who hurt you less, rather than help you the most. Quote
greyman Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 An NDP friend of mine once told me that it wasn't that her party was perfect, it was that it was closest to her beliefs. She rarely agreed with NDP foreign policy, but loved their social democratic social policy. Sometimes it's about voting for those who hurt you less, rather than help you the most. It's thinking like that that begets the slippery slope. "Sure, they hurt me...but only a little bit...so, I'll give in." "Ok, I'm hurting now, but this other party will only hurt me a little bit more, so I'll vote for them." Continue along this path, and pretty soon you wind up hurting a LOT. Also, Canadians need to quantify what they consider to be "help" from their elected leaders. My idea of "help" is to do nothing, and let the market determine outcomes free of intervention by the "I-know-better"s that dominate Ottawa. Quote
AusKanada Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Posted February 4, 2012 It's thinking like that that begets the slippery slope. "Sure, they hurt me...but only a little bit...so, I'll give in." "Ok, I'm hurting now, but this other party will only hurt me a little bit more, so I'll vote for them." Continue along this path, and pretty soon you wind up hurting a LOT. Also, Canadians need to quantify what they consider to be "help" from their elected leaders. My idea of "help" is to do nothing, and let the market determine outcomes free of intervention by the "I-know-better"s that dominate Ottawa. A Libertarian talking about a slippery slope?? Yes, the all-knowing Invisible Hand. Sure did wonders in Manchester during the Industrial Revolution... Seriously though, I think it's more dangerous to think in absolutes. I am willing to give parties a bit of faith, nothing wrong in that. You my friend are putting yours in the market. If you think the "I-know-better's" of Ottawa are bad, try the investment tycoon "I-know-better's," can't wait for the next great recession. Quote
Topaz Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 Well after the downfall of the Liberals, rightly so, I'm going more for the leader of the party first, being their character and personality etc., then what he party stand for. I'm not going to say I wouldn't vote any of the parties but until the leadership of Harper , I won't vote Conservative and if another harper-like leader is elected after harper, I don't see them having support in eastern part of Canada. So I guess I'm an Independent. Quote
greyman Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 A Libertarian talking about a slippery slope?? Yes, the all-knowing Invisible Hand. Sure did wonders in Manchester during the Industrial Revolution... Seriously though, I think it's more dangerous to think in absolutes. I am willing to give parties a bit of faith, nothing wrong in that. You my friend are putting yours in the market. If you think the "I-know-better's" of Ottawa are bad, try the investment tycoon "I-know-better's," can't wait for the next great recession. First, I'm not a libertarian. Second, the Industrial Revolution occurred during a time of the greatest wealth creation in history. Third, only the market can properly allocate capital, and determine true supply and demand. And last, your idea of the robber-baron tycoon can only exist in an economy rife with government intervention. Even though the Industrial Revolution was a much wealthier time, it was still not an unfettered market. Government intervention was nowhere near what it is today, but the tycoons of yesteryear did not become such by the invisible hand, but rather through the politics of favours and advantage. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 I am a dedicated supporter of Stephen Harper. I have an alter in my house with Stephen's picture and every night I light incense and pray to Stephen to protect me and my economy from Godless leftists and liberals. May they rot in hellfire and damnation to the end of time!! Federally? Hmmm? What other party is there? seems to me the others are defunct, dead in the water, in the doldrums, ruderless, neutered, floundering, beheaded, or, taken over by Quebec. Quote
AusKanada Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Posted February 4, 2012 First, I'm not a libertarian. Second, the Industrial Revolution occurred during a time of the greatest wealth creation in history. Third, only the market can properly allocate capital, and determine true supply and demand. And last, your idea of the robber-baron tycoon can only exist in an economy rife with government intervention. Even though the Industrial Revolution was a much wealthier time, it was still not an unfettered market. Government intervention was nowhere near what it is today, but the tycoons of yesteryear did not become such by the invisible hand, but rather through the politics of favours and advantage. No one can deny the wealth creative capacity of the market, take out a democratic government and it decays into chaos. Actually the tycoon robbers were created by that market, as it was the Industrial Revolution that created the new elite of merchants and businessmen, not government as government has been around for milennia. The invisible hand cares little for the weak, poor, for justice or for equality. It's simply a wealth generator .. to worship it so is fanatical. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 An NDP friend of mine once told me that it wasn't that her party was perfect, it was that it was closest to her beliefs. She rarely agreed with NDP foreign policy, but loved their social democratic social policy. Sometimes it's about voting for those who hurt you less, rather than help you the most. No party is perfect. Thing is we have to raise a ruckus when things need our input. I wrote about Clement, I wrote about G20, Immigration, Refugees, etc.etc. If you just bitch in chat rooms you're pissin into the wind. Do you really think that it matters at all what you say here? That it matters if someone here agrees or disagrees with you? You nuts? Quote
AusKanada Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Posted February 4, 2012 No party is perfect. Thing is we have to raise a ruckus when things need our input. I wrote about Clement, I wrote about G20, Immigration, Refugees, etc.etc. If you just bitch in chat rooms you're pissin into the wind. Do you really think that it matters at all what you say here? That it matters if someone here agrees or disagrees with you? You nuts? What are you doing in this forum then? As one citizen, in a forum or on the street I have little impact. I am just living my passion for politics here and trying to point out just what you said, no party's perfect, but that doesn't mean they are all crooks either. Quote
greyman Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 No one can deny the wealth creative capacity of the market, take out a democratic government and it decays into chaos. Actually the tycoon robbers were created by that market, as it was the Industrial Revolution that created the new elite of merchants and businessmen, not government as government has been around for milennia. The invisible hand cares little for the weak, poor, for justice or for equality. It's simply a wealth generator .. to worship it so is fanatical. Democratic government is a euphemism for mob control. The "new elite" got there by buying favour from the political class, and they became more elite under the guise of government growth built around the idea of caring for the weak, and the poor. The market is absolutely a wealth generator, and that's all we need it to be. Corruption? Destruction of wealth? These are the unintended consequences of government's interference in the market. Quote
greyman Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 What are you doing in this forum then? As one citizen, in a forum or on the street I have little impact. I am just living my passion for politics here and trying to point out just what you said, no party's perfect, but that doesn't mean they are all crooks either. Don't discount the power of even mere talk in political forums. Hearts and minds are won piece-meal through attrition. It's not a switch you can just turn on in the masses. Changed minds begin with discussion...and the more of that the better. Quote
Cameron Posted February 4, 2012 Report Posted February 4, 2012 PC/Conservative since 2001. Why do I hold a membership you ask? Because of the system in Canada. I get to vote on who will lead the Conservative party in the future. Without one, I'm just another voter on the outside looking in. Does this mean I'm ecstatic about the decisions the party makes? NEEEOOOOO! Some decisions are good and some are just downright dumb. For myself here in Halifax, it gives me the chance to work for a candidate that we (local membership) want to try and get elected, and also help with the behind-the-scenes work during non-elections years to prep for future elections. We also do our fair share of bitching internally. Quote Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26 I want to earn money and keep the majority of it.
AusKanada Posted February 5, 2012 Author Report Posted February 5, 2012 I was once a fierce Tory loyalist, but have since lost total faith in the hyperpartisanship of the Harper government, their lack of action on the senate, unwillingness to co-operate with provincial governments and hypocrisy with the budget (big jails and pricey jets while seniors, the ill and everyone else but corporations pay for it). Quote
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