Gideon hand outs to be celebrated or scorned?

[Shakeyhands]

This is the neo-political attitude that makes books illegal. Information that threatens our ideology, or world view must be suppressed. The bible no less!

Let me ask another question, should the books by Dawkins also be "not allowed" in schools?

If anyone wants a free bible i am sure they can contact that group to receive one.... No one is calling for suppression or for making the bible illegal, holy knee jerk batman.

Dawkins? What does he have to do with anthing? Is he visiting schools and handing out his books?

[fellowtraveller]

Let me ask another question, should the books by Dawkins also be "not allowed" in schools?

No of course not and I am saddened by your comment. Assuming you were educated in Canada, it is a depressing commentary on the quality of education in this country, it appears reading comprehension is ommitted somewhere..

Of course, the Bible, Koran and Dawkins should all sit in school libararies.

But the parallel you make is moronic.

I object to the publishers of the Bible (Gideons) having easy access to every students home via a marketing campaign that has gone on for 46 years on public premises. I would feel exactly the same way if Dawkins publishers had the same access to children via the classroom.

Either everybody has the same access, or nobody does. I vote for nobody. If you vote for everybody, then you can supply the wheelbarrows the kids will need to haul all the special offers and coupons home every day.

[Guest Peeves]

No of course not and I am saddened by your comment. Assuming you were educated in Canada, it is a depressing commentary on the quality of education in this country, it appears reading comprehension is ommitted somewhere..

Of course, the Bible, Koran and Dawkins should all sit in school libararies.

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Either everybody has the same access, or nobody does. I vote for nobody. If you vote for everybody, then you can supply the wheelbarrows the kids will need to haul all the special offers and coupons home every day.

I agree with your position. I wonder though if you think atheism is also to be considered as a religion of sorts? Some (critical of Humanism philosophy) of late on talk shows and the like are calling Humanism a religion to make their point

"Definition of HUMANISM

1

a : devotion to the humanities : literary culture b : the revival of classical letters, individualistic and critical spirit, and emphasis on secular concerns characteristic of the Renaissance

2

: humanitarianism

3

: a doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values; especially : a philosophy that usually rejects supernaturalism and stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self-realization through reason

I believe any literature on said Humanism should be accorded the same exposure as any religious literature?

Edited January 26, 2012 by Peeves

[fellowtraveller]

I believe any literature on said Humanism should be accorded the same exposure as any religious literature?

In schools? Any and all similar literature should be in the school library, where kids can get all the exposure they wish. If that is not enough exposure for parents, they can always take their kids to church or a bookstore or a public lbrary. They can even enroll their child in a school with a specific religious focus if they so choose.

[Guest Peeves]

Back to the OP: Gideon hand outs to be celebrated or scorned?

Neither. They should be banned from any presence in schools unless the specific school has an overt and public religious focus.

I agree, though I think it's a good read.

How do you stand then on the Ontario school that allows not only Korans on site, but actual worship on site, even segregated worship on site?

[kimmy]

Not in Alberta, or at least not in our school district.

And solicitation for a school sanctioned outing is very far indeed from religious solicitation.

Do the schools allow the Muslims, Druids, Satan worshippers, Apple Corp or NAMBLA to send home literature too? Why not?

I read an American news story a while back about a parent whose child came home with a Gideon Bible one day. She called the school to ask WTF, and the principal informed her that the Bibles were voluntary, and that religious material from any religion would likewise be made voluntarily available to students if it was dropped off at the school.

She decided to test that policy and showed up at the school with a box of pagan literature. She was told that they couldn't take the books and that the policy was being changed.

-k

[Michael Hardner]

She decided to test that policy and showed up at the school with a box of pagan literature. She was told that they couldn't take the books and that the policy was being changed.

Thereafter came the cry that Christians were being persecuted.

[lukin]

Thereafter came the cry that Christians were being persecuted.

Link??? Mike.

[Michael Hardner]

Link??? Mike.

It's supposition... I'm not claiming this actually happened, but that it would/should/may happen...

[Shakeyhands]

Link??? Mike.

Persecuted!!!

Persecuted!!!!!!!

Barry Martin PERSECUTED!!!!!

Persecuted??? No, but they should be!

[Guest Manny]

The idea of banning a book is ridiculous to me. But that seems to be the ultimate end goal and final result of the social equalitists. When we all have absolutely nothing, then we are finally equal.

[Michael Hardner]

The idea of banning a book is ridiculous to me. But that seems to be the ultimate end goal and final result of the social equalitists. When we all have absolutely nothing, then we are finally equal.

Alternately - when they start allowing Korans to be passed out at school, the "free religion" folks will be quiet.

[Guest Manny]

Alternately - when they start allowing Korans to be passed out at school, the "free religion" folks will be quiet.

Is that your prediction, Michael Hardner? Do you think the "free religion" people believe that muslims are inherently evil?

[Michael Hardner]

Is that your prediction, Michael Hardner? Do you think the "free religion" people believe that muslims are inherently evil?

I'm not sure what they think. What do you think ? Should the Koran be distributed to school children ?

[Guest Manny]

I'm not sure what they think. What do you think ? Should the Koran be distributed to school children ?

I've stated my views already in this thread. Rather than banning any book, there should be a mandatory course on human studies, including all the major religions in the world.

[fellowtraveller]

The idea of banning a book is ridiculous to me. But that seems to be the ultimate end goal and final result of the social equalitists. When we all have absolutely nothing, then we are finally equal.

Why do you persist in pretending that anybody has called for any book to be banned?

[Guest Manny]

Why do you persist in pretending that anybody has called for any book to be banned?

Back to the OP: Gideon hand outs to be celebrated or scorned?

Neither. They should be banned from any presence in schools ...

I don't know why I persist in pretending that.

[Shakeyhands]

I don't know why I persist in pretending that.

You're playing silly bugger now. You know full well that banning a book from a certain place is not banning a book all together.

[Guest Manny]

You're playing silly bugger now. You know full well that banning a book from a certain place is not banning a book all together.

Banning is not banning? I read what it says, "They should be banned FROM ANY PRESCENCE IN SCHOOLS". Care to interpret this for me? Or shall we let the poster respond.

[Shakeyhands]

Banning is not banning? I read what it says, "They should be banned FROM ANY PRESCENCE IN SCHOOLS". Care to interpret this for me? Or shall we let the poster respond.

I'll take a stab. The poster was referring to it being banned from schools, not banned all together which is what you were implying, as you are quoted as saying below:

"The idea of banning a book is ridiculous to me."

if you weren't implying you would have said:

"The idea of banning a book from a school is ridiculous to me."

[Guest Manny]

I'll take a stab. The poster was referring to it being banned from schools, not banned all together which is what you were implying, as you are quoted as saying below:

"The idea of banning a book is ridiculous to me."

if you weren't implying you would have said:

"The idea of banning a book from a school is ridiculous to me."

I'm not implying anything, that's what I said. Around here we believe in learning, not banning. As I understand it, the bible is not an illegal book. Not yet. But as long as you liberals and gay rights activists keep at it, one day it might be.

[Shakeyhands]

I'm not implying anything, that's what I said. Around here we believe in learning, not banning. As I understand it, the bible is not an illegal book. Not yet. But as long as you liberals and gay rights activists keep at it, one day it might be.

Whatever.

But as long as you liberals and gay rights activists keep at it, one day it might be.

Mmmmm'k. They're being persecuted right!!!

[Guest Manny]

Whatever.

Mmmmm'k. They're being persecuted right!!!

LOL

J/K...

[fellowtraveller]

I don't know why I persist in pretending that.

Nice try.

I want the Gideons banned from schools, same as the Bnai Brith or any Muslim groups or anybody there for the purpose of indoctrination of anything but the approved public school curriculum.

No problem with the Bible or KOramn or whatever in the library of a public, nondemoninational school. If students need specific instruction in any of the theology, they can go to the church or mosque or your house on their time.

[kimmy]

I'm not implying anything, that's what I said. Around here we believe in learning, not banning. As I understand it, the bible is not an illegal book. Not yet. But as long as you liberals and gay rights activists keep at it, one day it might be.

I should have made the "Persecuted Christians in America!" thread "Persecuted Christians in North America!"

Those horrible liberals start by banning the Lord's Prayer, then keeping the Gideons from coming to schools, and the next thing you know... Auschwitz!

-k