bud Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 it's panic time in israel. something that has been going on for a while has slipped through the cracks and the censors and into the mainstream politics in france. i doubt it will get much airtime in the north american mainstream media, if any time at all, but it will still be interesting to watch how the big hasbara machine will be handling this. French parliament report accuses Israel of water 'apartheid' in West Bank The report said that water has become "a weapon serving the new apartheid" and gave examples and statistics that ostensibly back this claim. "Some 450,000 Israeli settlers on the West Bank use more water than the 2.3 million Palestinians that live there," the report said. "In times of drought, in contravention of international law, the settlers get priority for water." of course, the facts about israel's theft of palestinian water cannot be refuted. the saddest thing from all of this is that the only issue israel has with the report is that they messed up by not squeezing the truth out of it. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Post To The Left Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) the saddest thing from all of this is that the only issue israel has with the report is that they messed up by not squeezing the truth out of it. I'm curious what is this "extreme language" that they're complaining about. It doesn't sound like he inserted any facts or figures about water usage. If he didn't change the facts of the report the saddest thing is that this guy allowed Israel and its allies' to brush off this report as "propaganda" where as if he had just left it alone it would have been a useful tool against the unjust occupation of Israel. Edited January 17, 2012 by Post To The Left Quote
jbg Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 I have my doubts. Seriously. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 I have my doubts. Seriously. We know. It would not matter even if the Pres of Israel spoke against it, Israel's staunch supporters, support it no matter how condemning the reports are. This does NOT in any way apologize for any atrocities committed by Hamas and the Palestinians. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 Yeh, I always go to the French for unbiased remarks about Israel. Since about the Dreyfus affair. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/french-parliament-report-accuses-israel-of-water-apartheid-in-west-bank-1.407685 "Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Glavany had inserted extreme terms into the report on his own, at the last minute, without consulting other members of the report's working group." "These unacceptable remarks surprised his colleagues in the working group, who were shocked to find them in the final version after it was published, after Israeli diplomats called their attention to them," Palmor said.The report, he continued, "was loaded with the language of vicious propaganda, far removed from any professional criticism with which one could argue intelligently." Moreover, the report's author omitted numerous facts and acted "with blatant tendentiousness." "After embassy staffers pointed out the exceptional seriousness of the wording ... all the working group members disassociated themselves from [the report], including the chairman, who sent an official letter to the ambassador renouncing responsibility for the report's anti-Israel expressions," Palmor added. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 Gotta love those French. France was at one time one of Israel's biggest supporters. Not so much anymore. But, France is a country with their own sovereignty and "apartheid" problems with regards to the Arabs. Clichy-sous-Bois for example...so one might wonder where they got their high horse from. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 We know. It would not matter even if the Pres of Israel spoke against it, Israel's staunch supporters, support it no matter how condemning the reports are. This does NOT in any way apologize for any atrocities committed by Hamas and the Palestinians. The problem I have, and not with you in particular, is the microscope under which Israel's actions, and other "white" Western powers are placed. South Africa was subject to ultimately withering sanctions; not so Zimbabwe or Nigeria, or any of the other "nations" formed in post-colonial Africa, or Asia. I'm not saying that Israel, or the U.S., or pre-majority rule South Africa, or Canada have angelic records. I just ask that the microscope bear a more neutral lens. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Peeves Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 The problem I have, and not with you in particular, is the microscope under which Israel's actions, and other "white" Western powers are placed. South Africa was subject to ultimately withering sanctions; not so Zimbabwe or Nigeria, or any of the other "nations" formed in post-colonial Africa, or Asia. I'm not saying that Israel, or the U.S., or pre-majority rule South Africa, or Canada have angelic records. I just ask that the microscope bear a more neutral lens. Yeh like that's about to happen. However I love to see the bias exposed by those that selectively chose to point fingers at such a small country, small minority when there are thousands of other major examples to chose from. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 ... the facts about israel's theft of palestinian water cannot be refuted. A new study by Gvirtzman, “Myths and Facts in Israeli-Palestinian Water Conflict,” was likewise released on Tuesday by the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar Ilan University, in which the professor refutes claims that Israel is denying West Bank Palestinians their water rights. “It is just the opposite of apartheid,” he told the Post, stressing that since Israel gained control over the area from Jordan, it has connected more than 700 villages to running water. “Apartheid is just imagination.” Government slams French water 'apartheid' report Quote
bud Posted January 17, 2012 Author Report Posted January 17, 2012 zimbabwe or nigeria do not claim to be the only democracy in the region and they do not receive $3 billion /year from the west to spend on a military that breaks international law. there is a pattern. israeli apologists usually respond to valid criticism of israel by comparing the situation to another country. why? because they can't refute facts. i mean, what kind of a country demolishes water wells to punish people? “Israel denies Palestinians their rightful share of water. It also uses water as a weapon to target vulnerable Palestinian communities. This includes its systematic demolition of Palestinian rainwater harvesting cisterns and wells used as a means to forcibly displace Palestinian communities who depend on them for their basic water needs.' ' The number of demolitions continues to increase, with at least 25 Palestinian wells and 32 Palestinian cisterns demolished in 2011 alone.” Quote http://whoprofits.org/
jbg Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 zimbabwe or nigeria do not claim to be the only democracy in the region Clearly they aren't. Any such claim would be absurd.and they do not receive $3 billion /year from the west to spend on a military that breaks international law.They have gotten and in the case of Zimbabwe continues to get plenty of aid, much of which is diverted to military purposes or massacres.there is a pattern. israeli apologists usually respond to valid criticism of israel by comparing the situation to another country. why? because they can't refute facts.For one simple reason; perfection is a road to death, especially in that neighborhood. i mean, what kind of a country demolishes water wells to punish people? “Israel denies Palestinians their rightful share of water. It also uses water as a weapon to target vulnerable Palestinian communities. This includes its systematic demolition of Palestinian rainwater harvesting cisterns and wells used as a means to forcibly displace Palestinian communities who depend on them for their basic water needs.' ' The number of demolitions continues to increase, with at least 25 Palestinian wells and 32 Palestinian cisterns demolished in 2011 alone.” No backup in that article, just ad hominem propaganda. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 i mean, what kind of a country demolishes water wells to punish people? Try digging a well without permit in Canada...there will be some 'demolishing' going on, too. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted January 17, 2012 Author Report Posted January 17, 2012 here is the report. it's in french and the sources are at the bottom. the study offers world proven sources and pretty much an objective view on the ratio of water use in the jordan bassin. while i would not carry on defending the french commission, shooting the messenger seems quite shallow. here is a report by the world bank that the report uses as source. on topic, i find it very peculiar that the israeli embassy in paris claims it couldn't alter the report, because it had no prior knowledge of it. the mere assertion that a foreign representation claims to alter an in situ fact finding report is baffling. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Guest Peeves Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) here is the report. it's in french and the sources are at the bottom. the study offers world proven sources and pretty much an objective view on the ratio of water use in the jordan bassin. while i would not carry on defending the french commission, shooting the messenger seems quite shallow. here is a report by the world bank that the report uses as source. on topic, i find it very peculiar that the israeli embassy in paris claims it couldn't alter the report, because it had no prior knowledge of it. the mere assertion that a foreign representation claims to alter an in situ fact finding report is baffling. I believe it was the French that couldn't alter the report. "Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Glavany had inserted extreme terms into the report on his own, at the last minute, without consulting other members of the report's working group."Quote "These unacceptable remarks surprised his colleagues in the working group, who were shocked to find them in the final version after it was published, after Israeli diplomats called their attention to them," Palmor said. The report, he continued, "was loaded with the language of vicious propaganda, far removed from any professional criticism with which one could argue intelligently." Moreover, the report's author omitted numerous facts and acted "with blatant tendentiousness." "After embassy staffers pointed out the exceptional seriousness of the wording ... all the working group members disassociated themselves from [the report], including the chairman, who sent an official letter to the ambassador renouncing responsibility for the report's anti-Israel expressions," Palmor added. Edited January 18, 2012 by Peeves Quote
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