If a countries leader threatens another with annihilation

[Guest Peeves]

israel would fit your definition. not only that, but israel continues to disregard international law which is another characteristic of a rogue state.

show me where iran has done this and as you suggested in the title, 'threatened with annihilation'.

A) I stated clearly that when attacked or provoked a response should be accepted. Israel therefore does not meet the test regardless your shoe thumping.

Read the original post and link.

[Guest Peeves]

What we are seeing in Iran is terrorist attacks... maybe state sponsored terrorist attacks (we dont know for sure). Either state sponsored terrorist attacks to achieve political goals are acceptable or they arent, and if Iran was sponsoring car bombings in other countries then we would never hear the end of it.

IF its shown that a nation state was behind these terrorist attacks, they should be placed on the list of state sponsors of terrorism. If they arent, then all this anti-terror bluster is nothing more than hot air.

Iran (and other Muslim stated) do fund terrorists.

http://terrorism.about.com/od/iran/p/Iran2.htm

[bud]

A) I stated clearly that when attacked or provoked a response should be accepted. Israel therefore does not meet the test regardless your shoe thumping.

what would your definition of 'provoked' be?

how did lebanon provoke israel to attack it?

how did the gaza strip provoke israel to attack it?

how has iran provoked israel?

if you're going to take this seriously and answer the questions, you will need to provide proof.

[jbg]

what would your definition of 'provoked' be?

how did lebanon provoke israel to attack it?

how did the gaza strip provoke israel to attack it?

how has iran provoked israel?

if you're going to take this seriously and answer the questions, you will need to provide proof.

First two, missile attacks. The latter, fostering of terror threats through financing and bellicose rhetoric.

[bud]

First two, missile attacks. The latter, fostering of terror threats through financing and bellicose rhetoric.

you want to participate too? then you will need to give sources to your responses.

[Guest Peeves]

you want to participate too? then you will need to give sources to your responses.

All you do is ask answered questions repeatedly.

If you dispute facts explain why and the factual basis for your position please.

It's a fact that Hizbulluh fired rockets from Lebanon into Israel. INCIDENTS FROM LEBANON FOR YEARS!

http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/exeres/9EE216D7-82EF-4274-B80D-6BBD1803E8A7,frameless.htm?NRMODE=Published

It's fact that Gaza attack(s) Israel. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4177328,00.html

And I posted a source for Iranian threat to Israel.

[DogOnPorch]

All you do is ask answered questions repeatedly.

If you dispute facts explain why and the factual basis for your position please.

It's a fact that Hizbulluh fired rockets from Lebanon into Israel. INCIDENTS FROM LEBANON FOR YEARS!

http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/exeres/9EE216D7-82EF-4274-B80D-6BBD1803E8A7,frameless.htm?NRMODE=Published

It's fact that Gaza attack(s) Israel. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4177328,00.html

And I posted a source for Iranian threat to Israel.

Careful, bud will put you on ignore if you point out how history actually unfolded.

[jbg]

you want to participate too? then you will need to give sources to your responses.

Please don't tell me how to post, at least not until you learn proper capitalization and spelling.

[GostHacked]

Iran (and other Muslim stated) do fund terrorists.

http://terrorism.about.com/od/iran/p/Iran2.htm

Because we fund, rebels and freedom fighters!!!!! If we want to go on actions alone regardless of politics of those actions, any country that has covert operations in other countries to undermine the current government is an act of terrorism.

Let's stretch this to say that the CIA is really trying to do good in the world. Iran's intelligence operators .. bad ... Now of the actions of the CIA and Iran are the same, who is the terrorist?

[bud]

All you do is ask answered questions repeatedly.

If you dispute facts explain why and the factual basis for your position please.

It's a fact that Hizbulluh fired rockets from Lebanon into Israel. INCIDENTS FROM LEBANON FOR YEARS!

http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/exeres/9EE216D7-82EF-4274-B80D-6BBD1803E8A7,frameless.htm?NRMODE=Published

the IDF web sites shows attacks by hezbollah but it doesn't show assassinations and attacks by israel in lebanon.

furthermore, the 2006 israeli attack on lebanon was pre-planned.

hezbollah, as they have done before, wanted to kidnap israeli soldiers to exchange for lebanonese prisoners which israel had promised to hand over in another deal, but did not. hezbollah initiated diversionary rocket attacks on israeli military near the coast and near the israeli border village while another hezbollah group crossed from lebanon into israel and ambushed two israeli Army vehicles, killing three israeli soldiers and seizing two.

israel's response? carpet bomb the country of lebanon as a collective punishment where over 1000 civilians were killed and massive damage to the infrastructure was made.

did the kidnapping efforts by hezbollah warrant this kind of response?

It's fact that Gaza attack(s) Israel. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4177328,00.html

here are some facts that you need to learn and acknowledge before israel's brutal attack on gaza:

there was a ceasefire in place between hamas and israel where no rockets were fired by hamas. however, israel violated the ceasefire on november 4th by attacking and killing hamas members in gaza. it was this incident that triggered a response by hamas and then of course, israel's brutal attack on gaza where 1000 civilians were killed and numerous war crimes were committed by israel.

israeli spokesman agrees that hamas did not fire rockets.

here is the former israeli foreign minister denying the facts. i hope you don't:

so really, all this about hamas provoking the brutal attack and threatening israel is b.s.

And I posted a source for Iranian threat to Israel.

no you didn't.

iran has never threatened israel's destruction or for israel or the jews to be wiped off the map.

here is jeffery goldberg from the atlantic, with all the quotes referring to ahmadinejad's comments in regards to this issue.

again, he has never said he wants israel to be wiped off the map or the jews to be wiped off the map. all his comments have been about the zionist regime.

there is plenty of negative things about ahmadinejad that can be talked about, but to spread misinformation just so you can justify israel's actions is not okay.

Edited January 19, 2012 by bud

[Guest Peeves]

Because we fund, rebels and freedom fighters!!!!! If we want to go on actions alone regardless of politics of those actions, any country that has covert operations in other countries to undermine the current government is an act of terrorism.

Let's stretch this to say that the CIA is really trying to do good in the world. Iran's intelligence operators .. bad ... Now of the actions of the CIA and Iran are the same, who is the terrorist?

That the Iranians (Syrians) etc. are supporting terrorists Hizbullah, Hamas is pretty much a given isn't it?. In my mind that makes Iran complicit in attacks by terrorist groups. In fact I think Iran is fermenting the sectarian violence in Iraq. Iran's provoking the US and others with their naval exercises and rocket tests. You poke a tiger or pull it's tail,expect claws and teeth.

The USA supported Saddam. WRONG and and so was 'Nam and propping up some dictators was also wrong.

Invading Iraq the second invasion was wrong.

I think the USA 'doing good" was ultimately doing good for USA's interests in matters of the last 50 years or so. The USA did much for good during and after WW1 though.

As for Iran, where's there ANY favorable history to compare with the history of the USA with the rebuilding of Japan, Germany, Germany Marshall plan, air lift, foreign aid, disaster aid. Protecting Europe from the USSR, South Korea, intervention with the allies in WW1 and WW2,. The first sanctioned invasion of Iraq, and so on. The USA has much favorable to balance against misdeeds, Iran ...well not so much, even it's own citizens have no rights or freedoms.

To me in comparison, I'll take the behavior of the USA anytime against any Islamic country.

Personally I approve of covert action against an enemy state or group as the Taliban hiding in Afghanistan for example, or the Israeli surgical strike against bomb makers.

I consider Iran an enemy state for what they stand for, provoke, support and threaten.

Let me be clear though I think basically the Iranian people, the Persians, have shown a readiness to overthrow the regime and might have had Obama used any means to support them overtly or covertly.

I don't support propping up dictators as the USA and others have done in the past,nor of arming both sides for profit. I do support assassination of those that would build a capability for a nuke given the rhetoric coming from that regime.

[Guest Peeves]

Truncated for brevity.

name='bud'

no you didn't.

iran has never threatened israel's destruction or for israel or the jews to be wiped off the map.

there is plenty of negative things about ahmadinejad that can be talked about, but to spread misinformation just so you can justify israel's actions is not okay.

You're referring to the clownish Ahmadinejad I'm not. I guess you are mistaken,confused, ill advised, uninformed, bemused, lacking historical knowledge and otherwise unable to comprehend the instructions that I have passed to you in responses on several occasions. Again, read the %^$#*#!(%$ op which had nothing to do with Ahmadinejad's speech. Sheesh! such a nudnek, shliemel, or a schnook.

I am not referring to this....To wit:

"On October 26, 2005, IRIB News, an English-language subsidiary of the state-controlled Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), filed a story on Ahmadinejad's speech to the "World Without Zionism" conference in Asia, entitled: Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map.[1] The story was picked up by Western news agencies and quickly made headlines around the world. On October 30, The New York Times published a full transcript of the speech in which Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying:

Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.[2]

The above is a different threat though much in the same tenor I would suggest.

You seem to really lack the ability to follow a post or position or facts, so I wonder why some even bother to give you the time of day

Edited January 19, 2012 by Peeves

[GostHacked]

That the Iranians (Syrians) etc. are supporting terrorists Hizbullah, Hamas is pretty much a given isn't it?. In my mind that makes Iran complicit in attacks by terrorist groups. In fact I think Iran is fermenting the sectarian violence in Iraq.

After the USA cleaned house in Iraq, it left it completely open for Iran to easily do operations in Iraq. This was something the USA knew was a possibility after the power vacuum after Husein was taken out. The Iraq invasion helped facilitate that.

Iran's provoking the US and others with their naval exercises and rocket tests. You poke a tiger or pull it's tail,expect claws and teeth.

Who is provoking who? If you were Iran and you saw the US/NATO/WEST invade countries on BOTH sides, what would you think is the future of your country? This is a long term plan that started before 9/11.

And really, the threat is towards Israel, not the USA. So the USA might be doing Israel's bidding by trying to start a war with Iran. I know people may not want to entertain this notion.

The USA supported Saddam. WRONG and and so was 'Nam and propping up some dictators was also wrong.

Invading Iraq the second invasion was wrong.

The USA did help Saddam with the Iraq/Iran war. Actually the USA may have helped both sides. Weapons and materials sold to Iraq, and F-14 Tomcats sold to Iran. Supply both sides and literally make a killing.

I think the USA 'doing good" was ultimately doing good for USA's interests in matters of the last 50 years or so. The USA did much for good during and after WW1 though.

It's good for the USA's interests, and the USA's interests only.

As for Iran, where's there ANY favorable history to compare with the history of the USA with the rebuilding of Japan, Germany, Germany Marshall plan, air lift, foreign aid, disaster aid. Protecting Europe from the USSR, South Korea, intervention with the allies in WW1 and WW2,. The first sanctioned invasion of Iraq, and so on. The USA has much favorable to balance against misdeeds, Iran ...well not so much, even it's own citizens have no rights or freedoms.

To me in comparison, I'll take the behavior of the USA anytime against any Islamic country.

Personally I approve of covert action against an enemy state or group as the Taliban hiding in Afghanistan for example, or the Israeli surgical strike against bomb makers.

Well, I don't want to hear complaints if Iran takes out some US scientist. If you support that, then you also have to take your lumps.

I consider Iran an enemy state for what they stand for, provoke, support and threaten.

Again, it does not matter if the actions are noble or not, the acts of the CIA are terrorism as terrorism is defined.

Let me be clear though I think basically the Iranian people, the Persians, have shown a readiness to overthrow the regime and might have had Obama used any means to support them overtly or covertly.

Then let them overthrow their own government.

I don't support propping up dictators as the USA and others have done in the past,nor of arming both sides for profit. I do support assassination of those that would build a capability for a nuke given the rhetoric coming from that regime.

Most of your complaints in this post of yours is negated by your last paragraph. The USA has propped up dictators and sold weapons to both sides. But still the USA is a force of good in the world?

[bud]

Truncated for brevity.

You're referring to the clownish Ahmadinejad I'm not. I guess you are mistaken,confused, ill advised, uninformed, bemused, lacking historical knowledge and otherwise unable to comprehend the instructions that I have passed to you in responses on several occasions. Again, read the %^$#*#!(%$ op which had nothing to do with Ahmadinejad's speech. Sheesh! such a nudnek, shliemel, or a schnook.

I am not referring to this....To wit:

"On October 26, 2005, IRIB News, an English-language subsidiary of the state-controlled Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), filed a story on Ahmadinejad's speech to the "World Without Zionism" conference in Asia, entitled: Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map.[1] The story was picked up by Western news agencies and quickly made headlines around the world. On October 30, The New York Times published a full transcript of the speech in which Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying:

Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.[2]

The above is a different threat though much in the same tenor I would suggest.

You seem to really lack the ability to follow a post or position or facts, so I wonder why some even bother to give you the time of day

you could have just linked to whatever response you had about it instead of typing what you did. i still have not seen how iran has threatened to annihilate israel.

what about the other two topics? going to respond or are you going to pretend it's not there?

[Guest Peeves]

After the USA cleaned house in Iraq, it left it completely open for Iran to easily do operations in Iraq. This was something the USA knew was a possibility after the power vacuum after Husein was taken out. The Iraq invasion helped facilitate that.

Who is provoking who? If you were Iran and you saw the US/NATO/WEST invade countries on BOTH sides, what would you think is the future of your country? This is a long term plan that started before 9/11.

And really, the threat is towards Israel, not the USA. So the USA might be doing Israel's bidding by trying to start a war with Iran. I know people may not want to entertain this notion.

O'cmon I differentiated the last 50 years and you ignored that. I also meant the support of Saddam by the USA was Wrong. As was the support of the Taliban.

The USA did help Saddam with the Iraq/Iran war. Actually the USA may have helped both sides. Weapons and materials sold to Iraq, and F-14 Tomcats sold to Iran. Supply both sides and literally make a killing.

It's good for the USA's interests, and the USA's interests only.

Well, I don't want to hear complaints if Iran takes out some US scientist. If you support that, then you also have to take your lumps.

Again, it does not matter if the actions are noble or not, the acts of the CIA are terrorism as terrorism is defined.

Then let them overthrow their own government.

Most of your complaints in this post of yours is negated by your last paragraph. The USA has propped up dictators and sold weapons to both sides. But still the USA is a force of good in the world?

Of course the USA overall is and has been a force for good compared to any other country. Britain was as well in her day, though that does not mean they have no warts. Who would you praise over either? France? Russia? Germany? Iran?

[Guest Peeves]

you could have just linked to whatever response you had about it instead of typing what you did. i still have not seen how iran has threatened to annihilate israel.

what about the other two topics? going to respond or are you going to pretend it's not there?

The link does show exactly what I suggested it did and anyone reading it would conclude that. This post is not about the 'other two topics' so I am not going to waste my time since even one seems to be more than you could handle.

[bud]

The link does show exactly what I suggested it did and anyone reading it would conclude that. This post is not about the 'other two topics' so I am not going to waste my time since even one seems to be more than you could handle.

you've linked to some article written in 2001 on a site that is based in france. the comments in this suspect article are made by some cleric who is not an iranian government official.

this is the link to the article that you posted: http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm

this is the domain: http://www.iran-press-service.com, which does not go to any news agency.

your proof that iran wants to annihilate israel is total crap. are you interested in facts or are you here to propagate the site with misinformation and lies?

so far, you are 0 for 1.

care to discuss the other 2 points? here, i'll help you:

All you do is ask answered questions repeatedly.

If you dispute facts explain why and the factual basis for your position please.

It's a fact that Hizbulluh fired rockets from Lebanon into Israel. INCIDENTS FROM LEBANON FOR YEARS!

http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/exeres/9EE216D7-82EF-4274-B80D-6BBD1803E8A7,frameless.htm?NRMODE=Published

the IDF web sites shows attacks by hezbollah but it doesn't show assassinations and attacks by israel in lebanon.

furthermore, the 2006 israeli attack on lebanon was pre-planned.

hezbollah, as they have done before, wanted to kidnap israeli soldiers to exchange for lebanonese prisoners which israel had promised to hand over in another deal, but did not. hezbollah initiated diversionary rocket attacks on israeli military near the coast and near the israeli border village while another hezbollah group crossed from lebanon into israel and ambushed two israeli Army vehicles, killing three israeli soldiers and seizing two.

israel's response? carpet bomb the country of lebanon as a collective punishment where over 1000 civilians were killed and massive damage to the infrastructure was made.

did the kidnapping efforts by hezbollah warrant this kind of response?

It's fact that Gaza attack(s) Israel. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4177328,00.html

here are some facts that you need to learn and acknowledge before israel's brutal attack on gaza:

there was a ceasefire in place between hamas and israel where no rockets were fired by hamas. however, israel violated the ceasefire on november 4th by attacking and killing hamas members in gaza. it was this incident that triggered a response by hamas and then of course, israel's brutal attack on gaza where 1000 civilians were killed and numerous war crimes were committed by israel.

israeli spokesman agrees that hamas did not fire rockets.

here is the former israeli foreign minister denying the facts. i hope you don't:

so really, all this about hamas provoking the brutal attack and threatening israel is b.s.

Edited January 20, 2012 by bud

[GostHacked]

Of course the USA overall is and has been a force for good compared to any other country. Britain was as well in her day, though that does not mean they have no warts. Who would you praise over either? France? Russia? Germany? Iran?

Britain's colonialism is a black mark on their history. White man came, drove the indigenous people out as much as they could. Britain gained, at the expense of others. The current empire that is the USA has engaged in the same things as the Britts. Colonialism through military power and reach.

I don't praise Russia, or China... or France.

[DogOnPorch]

Britain's colonialism is a black mark on their history. White man came, drove the indigenous people out as much as they could. Britain gained, at the expense of others. The current empire that is the USA has engaged in the same things as the Britts. Colonialism through military power and reach.

I don't praise Russia, or China... or France.

There we have it; the History of the World according to GH, 1215-1914 AD. And here one might have thought it was more complex...

[Guest Peeves]

There we have it; the History of the World according to GH, 1215-1914 AD. And here one might have thought it was more complex...

The hysterical more likely.

I guess the world would be better off without the British or the USA and ruled by Islam or Germany.

[Guest Peeves]

"See also Canada's Prime Minister: Iranian Regime "Frightens Me" - Robert Matas

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper says a consensus is growing among world leaders that Iran would have no hesitation using nuclear arms once they develop the weapons and the capability to deliver them. "I've watched and listened to what the leadership in the Iran regime says, and it frightens me," Harper said in a CBC interview. "In my judgment, these are people who have a particular, you know, fanatically religious worldview, and their statements imply to me no hesitation of using nuclear weapons if they see them achieving their religious or political purposes."

Harper said he has no doubt that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. "There is absolutely no doubt they are lying," he said. "The evidence is just growing overwhelming." (Globe and Mail-Canada)"

Emphasis mine.

[Guest Manny]

I guess the world would be better off without the British or the USA and ruled by Islam or Germany.

For the people who live in Islamic countries, or for the Germans, it probably would be.

[Guest Peeves]

There is much documented evidence that Iran's leaders along with Hizbullah and Hamas want Israel destroyed and the Jews again scattered to the ends of the earth. There are other supporters over the world that want the same and do not hesitate to say so.

It is simply disingenuous to deny this when Iran's leaders have openly stated their position, cartoons in Iran's newspapers display that message. Now one may argue the world is flat and that Iran's message has been misunderstood, but anyone with common sense scoffs at such a defense of the likes of Ahmadinjad who shows his colors on every opportunity. It is of course a a waste of time debating with those defending Iran as misunderstood, for they too obviously must agree with Ahmadinejad on Israel or why would they so stubbornly defend him?

The threat I referred to in the opening post was however not by Ahmadinejad or even the one by Khomeini which Ahmadinejad praised, but rather earlier by a former leader of Iran.

Quote:

"RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran’s most influential ruling cleric called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them "damages only".

"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran.

That there is no doubt of Iran's threat to nuke Israel is simply understood by those that have followed the Iranian leaders (and Hamas-Hizbullah and even Osama.)

http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm

And of course Ahmadinejad was quoted and to some extent broadly misquoted as saying:

"On October 26, 2005, IRIB News, an English-language subsidiary of the state-controlled Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), filed a story on Ahmadinejad's speech to the "World Without Zionism" conference in Asia, entitled: Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map.[1] The story was picked up by Western news agencies and quickly made headlines around the world. On October 30, The New York Times published a full transcript of the speech in which Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying:

"Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.[2]"

There are certainly ambiguities in the translation, of that I can agree, but I have read the translations * (see link later) and there really can be NO doubt as to his meaning even giving him the benefit of doubt, for he reiterates in similar tenor, the same message.

"Death to Israel" is rather conclusive.

The above is a different threat though much in the same tenor I would suggest.

Another reference to very apparent call for genocide by Ahmadinejad is referenced here.

Of course the nay sayers will scream "biased source", so what. The source is supported by Ahmadinejad's own words, by Iran's present and former leaders.

* http://www.jcpa.org/text/ahmadinejad2-words.pdf

(Irans missile with death to Israel)

Six Shihab-3 missiles, bearing the slogans "Israel must be wiped off the map" and "We will crush America under our feet," were the stars of the 22 September 2003 military parade in Tehran marking the anniversary of the start of the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war, the beginning of what Iran calls "holy defense" week.

Other missiles displayed at the parade, according to state television on 22 September, were the Nazeat-6, Nazeat-10, Zezal, Maverick, Hawk, Tondar-69, Fateh-110, Scud B, SAM-6, surface-to-surface naval missiles, Fajr air-to-surface missiles, and long-range shore-to-sea missiles. On 21 September 2004, the IRGC held a parade in Teheran in which the force displayed the Shihab-2, Shihab-3, the Nazeat-6 and Nazeat-10, the Tondar-69 and the Zelzal missiles. On 22 September 2005, Iran conducted a military parade in which the missiles displayed included the Shahab-3, Zelzal 1 and Zelzal 2, M-11 Variant/Tondar-68, Nazeat and M-6. Hawk missiles were paraded, marked as Nazeat and Zelzal.

Some of the missiles had banners saying, "Israel should be wiped off the map" and "We will trample America under our feet," "Death to America," and "Death to Israel."

Iran is focusing on constructing medium range ballistic missles with ranges of up to 1000 km. This was thought to require help from foreign nations, mainly North Korea and China, but it should be noted that Iran has the ability to produce missles indigenously. North Korea and China were known to support the Iranian Scud B and C programs with technology and maintainance.

To me there can be no doubt of the meanings in Iran's (several) leaders threat to Israel and to Jews.

To me, that position by Iran's leaders on the destruction of Israel SHOULD indeed cause their

race to a weapon to that end to be thwarted to the degree possible.

So let's just all get along huh?

[eyeball]

I have to say if I was Iranian and I could see leaders like Stephan Harper levelling their sights on my country, I'd be eager to get my hands on a frightening deterrent too. Of course if I was PM I'd be more mindful of the crap that blew back in the west's face the last time we stuck our nose in Iran's business.

We can't even knock over an Islamic state that's still in the dark ages and now we're picking a fight with an advanced one?

Pass the popcorn I guess.

[bud]

There is much documented evidence that Iran's leaders

you keep repeating that, but you've failed miserably in providing any real evidence of this.

you've linked to some article written in 2001 on a site that is based in france. the comments in this suspect article are made by some cleric who is not an iranian government official.

this is the link to the article that you posted: http://www.iran-pres...eats_141201.htm

this is the domain: http://www.iran-press-service.com, which does not go to any news agency.

your proof that iran wants to annihilate israel is total crap. are you interested in facts or are you here to propagate the site with misinformation and lies?

along with Hizbullah and Hamas want Israel destroyed and the Jews again scattered to the ends of the earth.

that's tough to believe since iran has a large jewish population. isn't there close to 20 synagogues in the capital of iran, tehran?

It is simply disingenuous to deny this when Iran's leaders have openly stated their position,

what is disingenuous is you and your comments. i've provided facts which go against your b.s.

cartoons in Iran's newspapers display that message. Now one may argue the world is flat and that Iran's message has been misunderstood, but anyone with common sense scoffs at such a defense of the likes of Ahmadinjad who shows his colors on every opportunity.

i thought we went over ahmadinejad's comments. he has never said he wants the jews to be wiped. he only talks about the zionist regime.

stop lying.

It is of course a a waste of time debating with those defending Iran as misunderstood, for they too obviously must agree with Ahmadinejad on Israel or why would they so stubbornly defend him?

i dislike ahmadinejad and i dislike most of the clerics who run the iranian government. but this is mostly due to their internal policies against their own people. however, this doesn't blind me to the lies and misinformation that you and other hasbara bots try to spread in order to justify an attack on iran.

the fact remains that iranian government have not threatened 'annihilation' against the jews.

The threat I referred to in the opening post was however not by Ahmadinejad or even the one by Khomeini which Ahmadinejad praised, but rather earlier by a former leader of Iran.

i responded to this suspect link you provided above. deal with it.