Unpatriotic radical my hairy ***

[TimG]

Native Chiefs overturn deal with Enbridge on Gateway Pipeline

I suspect they will end up creating a 'pipeline on rails'. Trying to placate all these native groups will be impossible. The stupid thing is the chances of a serious spill while shipping by rail is much higher than any pipeline. But environmental loons are not known for their grasp of logic. Edited January 19, 2012 by TimG

[jacee]

I suspect they will end up creating a 'pipeline on rails'. Trying to placate all these native groups will be impossible. The stupid thing is the chances of a serious spill while shipping by rail is much higher than any pipeline. But environmental loons are not known for their grasp of logic.

The pipeline(s) aren't the only issue: Native communities also oppose shipping oil from BC ports.

I think the oil producers had better start looking at some local refining and manufacturing alternatives to shipping.

It's too bad they didn't do the research and planning to know that they might face such obstacles, but that's their reality to deal with now.

[waldo]

Native Chiefs overturn deal with Enbridge on Gateway Pipeline

I suspect they will end up creating a 'pipeline on rails'. Trying to placate all these native groups will be impossible. The stupid thing is the chances of a serious spill while shipping by rail is much higher than any pipeline. But environmental loons are not known for their grasp of logic.

say what! Native Chiefs <=> environmental "loons"? Oh my!

[jacee]

Just thinking ... wondering ... what Harper and Oliver think they accomplished by having such a hissy fit against environmentalists and First Nations. (It's really the latter who hold the legal power to hold up the pipeline and shipping.)

To me ... nothing but showing their frustration with a process they can't bend to their wishes.

Did Harper really think his word was 'law' because he has a majority of seats? It's still democracy, we still have the right to protest, and FN still have the right to have a say in what happens on their traditional lands.

I suppose they let their supporters know they were p'd about the environmental process. Is that all they wanted to accomplish?

Because I think they made themselves look pretty stupid to the rest of us.

[waldo]

Did Harper really think his word was 'law' because he has a majority of seats? It's still democracy, we still have the right to protest, and FN still have the right to have a say in what happens on their traditional lands.

Prime Minister Dad

And now we have this pipeline business. Now I realize I should have paid more attention to this a year ago, but like a lot of Canadians it's just showing up on my radar now. And honestly, I don’t know if the pipeline is a good idea or a bad idea. But the good news is I no longer have to look at both sides. None of us do. No, because dad has made it perfectly clear, there’s only one side to this issue. And anyone who thinks otherwise is an enemy to Canada. I’ve got to say this is way better than the old days when we had the burden of being informed citizens on our shoulders.

No, now we have a new job: to be seen and not heard. Welcome to Canada 2012. His house, his rules. God save the King.

[cybercoma]

Did Harper really think his word was 'law'

That's exactly what he thinks.

[huh]

That's exactly what he thinks.

You have a direct line into his consciousness? What a stupid thing to say.

Maybe he thinks that if pipelines are good enough in other places all over the world they are good enough in BC, maybe if super tankers can navigate the bay of fundy they can manage the coast of bc. Or is bc just too special? Perhaps those of you who don't want these projects to happen should convince british columbians, natives included, to stop using all products derived from oil since they seemingly don't want to share in the risks involved in its production. There is probably more petroleum products spilled at gas stations and via leaky gas tanks everyday than what comes from the pipelines in this country.

[cybercoma]

Hey, at least you admit that there's a risk involved. That's a step ahead of Harper.

[sharkman]

I suspect they will end up creating a 'pipeline on rails'. Trying to placate all these native groups will be impossible. The stupid thing is the chances of a serious spill while shipping by rail is much higher than any pipeline. But environmental loons are not known for their grasp of logic.

I hope it doesn't come to that, but some way, some how they will get the oil to port. I think the natives are so used to protesting anything on "their" land that this type of thing will only continue to be par for the course.

[waldo]

You have a direct line into his consciousness?

I believe you've missed the emphasis... not particularly what Harper "thinks"; rather, that he presumes to stifle legitimate debate/discussion, that he presumes to supersede and/or influence the NEB process, that he/his ministers presume to cast those opposed as unpatriotic... that he presumes to cast his "thinking" as "your and my thinking". As if by divine right - God Save the King!

[cybercoma]

I hope it doesn't come to that, but some way, some how they will get the oil to port. I think the natives are so used to protesting anything on "their" land that this type of thing will only continue to be par for the course.

How condescendingly white of you. They couldn't possibly have a legitimate concern. Nope. They're just being disruptive savages.

[TimG]

They couldn't possibly have a legitimate concern.

The are hundreds of pipelines of various sorts that criss cross the country. When a spill happen they are cleaned up and forgotten. There are no legimate concerns that justify rejecting the pipeline. The only legimate concerns are those looking into safety oversight and maintenance policies that will be used and making sure they sufficient to reduce the risk of a spill to as close to zero as possible.