eyeball Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Speaking of shot up stop signs... One day at our place on Yonge St, just up the road from the old 52 Division, my brother popped off a shot with his BB gun at the stop sign across the street. 5 minutes later my poor old sorely tested Mom suddenly found herself speckled with laser beams and looked up to see a SWAT team coming through the back door. My brother probably didn't even chip the paint on the sign he shot and my poor stop sign was clearly DOA with about eight or nine 303 holes through it. Quite the contrast between laser beams and a TO SWAT team and 'there's nothing we can do' from our hick-town cops. I figure we should register ammunition myself. It shouldn't be too much trouble to put a unique chemical marker in the gunpowder in every box of shells so evidence of inappropriate use can be traced back to whoever bought it. I mean if they could bath my Mom in laser beams to catch a dangerous stop sign shooter... Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Alberta_Ford Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Quote eyeball Speaking of shot up stop signs... One day at our place on Yonge St, just up the road from the old 52 Division, my brother popped off a shot with his BB gun at the stop sign across the street. 5 minutes later my poor old sorely tested Mom suddenly found herself speckled with laser beams and looked up to see a SWAT team coming through the back door. My brother probably didn't even chip the paint on the sign he shot and my poor stop sign was clearly DOA with about eight or nine 303 holes through it. Quite the contrast between laser beams and a TO SWAT team and 'there's nothing we can do' from our hick-town cops. I figure we should register ammunition myself. It shouldn't be too much trouble to put a unique chemical marker in the gunpowder in every box of shells so evidence of inappropriate use can be traced back to whoever bought it. I mean if they could bath my Mom in laser beams to catch a dangerous stop sign shooter... Quote An old hole in a stop sign in said hick-town is alot different then someone mistaking a pellet gun for a real gun on younge street. Inappropriate use is the basis of why we should register rounds so we can pull forensic evidence out of old stop signs in the middle of nowhere? Perhaps murders is a valid reason but you failed mention that. Maybe you thought it was obvious but it's hard to tell when your main emphasis is on stop signs. Its not a bad idea to help solve murders i suppose but i don''t like the idea of registering ammo at all. You would still need to find the weapon to get the traces of gun powder, Whatever marking they could put on the bullet would most likely burn off when fired and there probably is too many boxes of ammo sold to differentiate enough chemical markings to record separately for each box. Edited December 28, 2011 by Alberta_Ford Quote
prairiechickin Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Speaking of shot up stop signs... One day at our place on Yonge St, just up the road from the old 52 Division, my brother popped off a shot with his BB gun at the stop sign across the street. 5 minutes later my poor old sorely tested Mom suddenly found herself speckled with laser beams and looked up to see a SWAT team coming through the back door. My brother probably didn't even chip the paint on the sign he shot and my poor stop sign was clearly DOA with about eight or nine 303 holes through it. Quite the contrast between laser beams and a TO SWAT team and 'there's nothing we can do' from our hick-town cops. I figure we should register ammunition myself. It shouldn't be too much trouble to put a unique chemical marker in the gunpowder in every box of shells so evidence of inappropriate use can be traced back to whoever bought it. I mean if they could bath my Mom in laser beams to catch a dangerous stop sign shooter... This is what led to the long-gun registry. Quote
Wiggum Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 For me the above incidents are just more ammunition so to speak for reasons to better control guns. I do not and never have advocated the prohibition of guns but I certainly do think they need to be controlled. I reserve most of my opinions on the topic of gun control however on the impetus for the gun registry - that an insane individual took a gun and killed and wounded a pile of people. The need to address the use of firearms by insane people has never gone away, it's only increased and I think there's a lot we can do to prevent it. It's usually about this point that people start pointing to cars for example and ask why I'm not pointing at them too. At least with cars there is and always has been an ongoing effort by industry and government and car owners to improve their safety. With guns it seems there is nothing but denial and claims of near infallibility amongst licensed gun owners. Apparently hunters and ranchers never commit gun crimes and their gun licence somehow must make them immune to mental illness too. It's just too easy in a country where millions of guns are readily available for an insane person to do a lot of harm. 1 in 5 five people will suffer a mental illness in their life and experts are also warning of an oncoming epidemic of dementia. I think gun owners and the entire firearm industry need to come up with better ways to make gun storage safer. Things like armouries to safely store guns, gps chips in guns to help track their whereabouts and to validate their security or home storage lockers that require two people before they can be opened are just some of the things that could do this. The armoury idea seems to be the most disturbing idea to gun owners so I suggest we use it like Damocles Sword. Either you gun owners come up with ways to keep your guns safe at home or they'll have to be locked up at an armoury. I'd suggest target ranges and gun clubs would be a natural place to include an armoury. I really like the idea of requiring two people to unlock a gun from its storage rack or locker. I can't think of a simpler more immediate check on the ability of a single person to pick up a gun in a sudden rage. I think we should lock up personal vehicles(which cause many more deaths/injuries per year) in secure storage. A parkade of some sort that requires 2 people to unlock the storage unit of the car. I can't think of a simpler more immediate check on the ability of a single person to get into a car in a sudden rage or drunken stupor. Quote
Wiggum Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Speaking of shot up stop signs... my poor old sorely tested Mom suddenly found herself speckled with laser beams and looked up to see a SWAT team coming through the back door. Haha to much TV there eyeball. ERT teams do not use "laser beams" Nice try though... Quote
jbg Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 I think we should lock up personal vehicles(which cause many more deaths/injuries per year) in secure storage. A parkade of some sort that requires 2 people to unlock the storage unit of the car. I can't think of a simpler more immediate check on the ability of a single person to get into a car in a sudden rage or drunken stupor. I think more is necessary since someone might get a friend to help. How about a government permit requirement for every ride. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
cybercoma Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 I think we should lock up personal vehicles(which cause many more deaths/injuries per year) in secure storage. A parkade of some sort that requires 2 people to unlock the storage unit of the car. I can't think of a simpler more immediate check on the ability of a single person to get into a car in a sudden rage or drunken stupor. Are the majority of shootings accidental? Do guns have a functional purpose as necessary as cars in our society? Quote
Wiggum Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Are the majority of shootings accidental? Do guns have a functional purpose as necessary as cars in our society? Are most of the drunk drivers accidently drinking? Then accidently driving? Quote
cybercoma Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Are most of the drunk drivers accidently drinking? Then accidently driving? Is the car the weapon or the alcohol? Quote
Wiggum Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Is the car the weapon or the alcohol? Good point. Both I guess. Point is we can't trust these maniacs with access to cars and alcohol as they are just drunk drivers in waiting. It happens every year and is committed by all sorts of people from doctors to gang members. Lock up the cars and once it is proven that a person is of sane mind he/she may sign his vehicle out. If it saves one life it's worth it. We can put the parkade right beside the armoury. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Good point. Both I guess. Point is we can't trust these maniacs with access to cars and alcohol as they are just drunk drivers in waiting. It happens every year and is committed by all sorts of people from doctors to gang members. Lock up the cars and once it is proven that a person is of sane mind he/she may sign his vehicle out. If it saves one life it's worth it. We can put the parkade right beside the armoury. Well, we can't trust them with access to guns either then. You're actually arguing for the things you're trying to argue against. Quote
Wiggum Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Well, we can't trust them with access to guns either then. You're actually arguing for the things you're trying to argue against. Nope Im trying to prove how ridiculous that whole thought process is. Quote
eyeball Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) i don''t like the idea of registering ammo at all. You would still need to find the weapon to get the traces of gun powder, Whatever marking they could put on the bullet would most likely burn off when fired and there probably is too many boxes of ammo sold to differentiate enough chemical markings to record separately for each box. I know. There's always some excuse for doing as little as possible when it comes to finding ways to lessen the danger that guns pose. By the way, finding the gun would be made easier if it had a gps chip. Edited December 28, 2011 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 I think we should lock up personal vehicles(which cause many more deaths/injuries per year) in secure storage. A parkade of some sort that requires 2 people to unlock the storage unit of the car. I can't think of a simpler more immediate check on the ability of a single person to get into a car in a sudden rage or drunken stupor. We're all entitled to our opinions. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
cybercoma Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Nope Im trying to prove how ridiculous that whole thought process is. I know that's what you think you're doing, but I don't think you would find very many people who think it's ridiculous to propose ways to stop drunks from getting behind the wheel of a vehicle. Quote
eyeball Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Are the majority of shootings accidental? Do guns have a functional purpose as necessary as cars in our society? Are there scores of teams of people and safety boards always trying to improve the safety of guns like there are for cars? No, there's just hog-calling politicians promising to crack down harder on the mentally ill. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jbg Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Nope Im trying to prove how ridiculous that whole thought process is. So you didn't like my middle ground of requiring that people seek a permit from the Government, perhaps through an on-line form, to allow them to take their car out? Sort of like a "car ride registry"? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 This is what led to the long-gun registry. I think what led to the registry were disingenuous Conservatives who managed to make mental illness synonymous with criminality and cowardly Liberals who couldn't take that on because of their fear of the soft-on-crime label. The whole point of the response to Marc Lepine was lost almost right from the beginning and we're worse than being back at square one, now we have a public attitude towards the mentally ill that's even more deteriorated. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 An old hole in a stop sign in said hick-town is alot different then someone mistaking a pellet gun for a real gun on younge street. Inappropriate use is the basis of why we should register rounds so we can pull forensic evidence out of old stop signs in the middle of nowhere? I think if people knew this evidence could be dug out it would deter most from doing something really stupid. You have to appreciate where the shot up stop sign is that I'm talking about in my neighbourhood. It's located where a logging road intersects a public highway. The bush is thick all around so there is no field of vision at all. Anyone could have driven through that intersection at the same time a bullet was crossing it. Had one of my kids been killed while riding their bike or on their school bus that chemical marker form the bullet residue would sure come in handy when tracking down the shooter. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wiggum Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 So you didn't like my middle ground of requiring that people seek a permit from the Government, perhaps through an on-line form, to allow them to take their car out? Sort of like a "car ride registry"? You know as well as I do that cars are already registered. Your so witty and sneaky If you want to get into the "Cars are registered so why not firearms" conversation then you go first. Quote
CPCFTW Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Lets get started on a knife registry instead. 1 in 5 people are likely to develop some sort of mental illness and look at what happened to that guy on the greyhound. A tragedy that could have been avoided if Vince Weiguang Li had registered his rambo knife. Then maybe we can register rope next? You can kill with rope right? Edited December 29, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Oh, remember me for an old guy, AF! It was about 7-8 years ago, as I recall. I'm not firm on the date as I was more impressed with the fact that it happened. I'm just too old, fat and busy to google everything for everybody, especially when for many posters on this board (I'm sure you've already run into a few) they couldn't care if God himself was a witness and endorsed the account - they will never change their minds! 7 or 8 years ago... Around the time of the PC Eves Government???? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Lets get started on a knife registry instead. 1 in 5 people are likely to develop some sort of mental illness and look at what happened to that guy on the greyhound. A tragedy that could have been avoided if Vince Weiguang Li had registered his rambo knife. Then maybe we can register rope next? You can kill with rope right? Yes.. Lets just jail the homeless(many mentally ill) on "compassionate" grounds...Let's control everything... If we could only let business run the public agenda??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Bryan Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 I think what led to the registry were disingenuous Conservatives who managed to make mental illness synonymous with criminality and cowardly Liberals who couldn't take that on because of their fear of the soft-on-crime label. The whole point of the response to Marc Lepine was lost almost right from the beginning and we're worse than being back at square one, now we have a public attitude towards the mentally ill that's even more deteriorated. Dangerous is dangerous. When it comes to public safety, whether the perpetrator is doing what they do with intent or out of mental distress is irrelevant. In both cases it's what they do that is important, not who they are or what they used. Quote
eyeball Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Dangerous is dangerous. When it comes to public safety, whether the perpetrator is doing what they do with intent or out of mental distress is irrelevant. In both cases it's what they do that is important, not who they are or what they used. I agree things are just things and it's how they're used that counts and so; when it comes to the law, whether the perpetrator is doing what they do with intent or out of mental distress is entirely relevant. In any case dangerous is as you say dangerous. Now, when it comes to public safety and cars, there is a never-ending effort that strives to make cars safer. When it comes to guns and public safety however there is a never-ending resistance to making them safer at all. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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