Quebec Pupil Wears Headphones to Avoid Hearing Music

[Scotty]

Yup a tiny handful of guys got lucky because they put retards in charge of airline security. We did by far more damange to OURSELVES after that.

Ah, so it was their own fault? Why do you suppose everyone blames the hijackers,or the people who organized it, or the people who gave them bases and assistance then?

[Scotty]

Well, then we cannot come to an agreement, August. Because I believe terrorism is indeed a threat to Western society, but I do not believe it is Muslims, as in all Muslims, that are the threat. Your characterization uses a broad brush to paint all Muslims with the same terrorist colour. This is simply not true. Muslims in the Middle East are being tortured and oppressed by radicals in their homeland as well. They too are subjected to terrorist attacks. Terrorism then is not just a threat to the West, but to everyone.

You simply don't understand. The threat is not from the comparatively few violent radicals blowing things up. The threat is from Islam itself, from the "Muslim world" and its expansion. The actions of the few would be pointless were they not legitimized by so many voices within the broader Muslim world. Nor would their threat be of immediate interest other than to their few immediate targets aside from how that threat serves to choke off much of what might be considered modern dialogue within the Muslim world.

Pakistan is a fairly good example of this. Note how more 'moderate' voices which spoke of the unfairness of their archaic blasphemy laws have been silenced by the violent extremists. No one dare speak of reform now. Repeat that in a thousand, in ten thousand cases across the Muslim world, large and small, from women being intimidated into wearing burkhas by threats of violence, to men whose livelihoods come to depend on towing the 'party line'. Most of the Muslim world are simply content to go along with whatever the status quo is for Islam. Those few who chafe at the barbarity and backwardness are largely cowed by intimidation and violence.

We've even see that sort of thing spreading beyond the Muslim world, where individuals who publicly criticize Islam face threats, as do media organizations which do anything considered 'insulting' towards Islam. Witness the hysteria and threats of violence against those few silly cartoons published by a Danish newspaper. Witness how many international media organizations were cowed into not printing them, and had to somehow discuss a worldwide issue without daring to let their readers/viewers see what the discussion was about!

And meanwhile the size of the Muslim world community continues to grow.

Also, while I don't agree with the decision to avoid all music at all times, unless it's religious chanting, liberal values dictate that this is their right. They are free in our country and have the liberty to realize their religious values, as long as it does not cause harm to others (dictated by the CCC)

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To keep oneself away from music in this society is to keep oneself largely locked away FROM this society, for music is ever present in every form of our culture, from radio, television shows and movies, to vidoes to advertising, to most public events. We, as a society, have an interest in the integration of immigrants. And yet, here we have an immigrant family determined to not integrate, and determined that their children not integrate either. And why should the state aid them in this quest? Why should the state continue to draw such people into Canada and watch their numbers expand, a group with a foreign based culture inimical to our own, hostile to our own values?

Edited December 26, 2011 by Scotty

[Guest Manny]

Materialist? I suspect that many westerners view Islam as a threat because radical Muslims destroyed large western buildings (WTC) and killed thousands.

Westerners and Christians also like music, and we often sing, women and men together, in unison. We also like depictions - we have learned from the "Renaissance" and the "Enlightenment".

So for us, (radical) Islam is a threat.

No, the WTC attack, or terror attacks in general are not the real threat. They are only the immediate threat. The real threat is ideological and is far greater, and has already permeated the minds of the people in the west. But the spectacle of 9/11 awakened this in our minds. The result is an inward collapse of western materialist, liberal values. And loss of freedom. That is the greater goal of Islamists.

And if we continue to be stupid and reactive, continue to separate people into polarized groups we play exactly into their hands.

[cybercoma]

Saddam Hussein was a despotic tyrant who threatened the West.

And the United State has threatened every nation under the sun. Is it ok for some nations to do this with impunity, but not others? Where's the consistency?

[GostHacked]

How would this kid ever hear the Call to Prayer by those guys pumping out the singing music out of the minarets?

I am starting to think there is more to this story than just the music.

[Guest Manny]

How would this kid ever hear the Call to Prayer by those guys pumping out the singing music out of the minarets?

I am starting to think there is more to this story than just the music.

First time I heard about this was that the Taliban disallowed music, in particular festivals weddings where there was music or even just singing. Because music distracted from thinking about god. The only music to be allowed was at prayers, to god.

Ain't gonna let the kids hear no AC/DC

[cybercoma]

There was a time when people were concerned about "noise pollution." Remember those days? Now these parents are harming their child for very similar thinking.

[GostHacked]

First time I heard about this was that the Taliban disallowed music, in particular festivals weddings where there was music or even just singing. Because music distracted from thinking about god. The only music to be allowed was at prayers, to god.

Ain't gonna let the kids hear no AC/DC

Not sure if I would let my kids listen to AC/DC, I mean there is much much better bands out there. Music is a big part of the human spirit.

[Guest American Woman]

Ain't gonna let the kids hear no AC/DC

Yeah, right. And you're going to stop that ... how?

[Scotty]

And the United State has threatened every nation under the sun. Is it ok for some nations to do this with impunity, but not others? Where's the consistency?

I don't recall the US ever threatening us...

[jbg]

I don't recall the US ever threatening us...

In 1812, yes we did. You fought us to a draw.

[cybercoma]

In 1812, yes we did. You fought us to a draw.

Actually, the US tried to invade and failed miserably.

[Scotty]

In 1812, yes we did. You fought us to a draw.

Since we weren't actually a country then they were really threatening the UK.

[Tilter]

In 1812, yes we did. You fought us to a draw.

No, it was the USA's first loss of a war.

[jbg]

No, it was the USA's first loss of a war.

Tilter, I don't take the typical U.S. position that we won the war. Don't push the argument too far.