msj Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 BTW how can you comment on wyly and my fitness levels based on our opinion of Figure skating? That's a pretty ignorant opinion. No, I was speculating and having a bit of fun with it. Guess my speculation hit too close to the mark this time. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Boges Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) No, I was speculating and having a bit of fun with it. Guess my speculation hit too close to the mark this time. So you'll admit to trolling then. Just let that be clear. I'm in decent shape. Could stand to lose some weight though. Up until I hurt my knee recently I could drop a -8 minute mile. Want to get into a "How much can you Bench" discussion next? Edited December 14, 2011 by Boges Quote
wyly Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 So you'll admit to trolling then. Just let that be clear. I'm in decent shape. Could stand to lose some weight though. Up until I hurt my knee recently I could drop a -8 minute mile. Want to get into a "How much can you Bench" discussion next? yup... I was ordered by several MD's to stop all sporting activities due to sporting injuries(the exception being swimming but I swim like a rock) and they told me to find a desk job...being lifelong fitness freak I ignored their instructions and I'm the price for my stubbornness and now need two artificial knees...but like you my physical strength from thousands of hours in the gym is still considerable... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Boges Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Posted December 14, 2011 yup... I was ordered by several MD's to stop all sporting activities due to sporting injuries(the exception being swimming but I swim like a rock) and they told me to find a desk job...being lifelong fitness freak I ignored their instructions and I'm the price for my stubbornness and now need two artificial knees... but like you my physical strength from thousands of hours in the gym is still considerable... No wyly! We are both fat because we don't like Figure Skating. Quote
wyly Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) Let's try again: Sport: an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature. Athletic: 1. physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child. 2. of, like, or befitting an athlete. 3. of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. Figure skating is a physical activity that requires physical skills including strength, agility and stamina which are showcased during competitions. Once again: what size is your beer gut? YOUR definition is irrelevant because it doesn't agree with my definition...the only difference between figure skating and ballet is ballet doesn't call itself a sport and there is no subjective judging... by your definition bricklaying is a sport and framing is a sport as both require considerable physical strength, stamina and training and they also have international competitions with subjective judging... figure skating is not a sport, it's an activity like baton twirling... my yearly beer consumption? maybe a dozen, my social/team beer days stpped when my active sports participation ended... Edited December 14, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 No wyly! We are both fat because we don't like Figure Skating. ya that must be it...here I was thinking it was because my knees no longer allow me to move like I used to...I'm sure glad I was set straight on that by msj ... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
olp1fan Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 if its in the olympics its a sport Quote
msj Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 YOUR definition is irrelevant because it doesn't agree with my definition... No, you mean your definition doesn't agree with the dictionary definition. Perhaps you should try a new language then? the only difference between figure skating and ballet is ballet doesn't call itself a sport and there is no subjective judging... Oh, is ballet as competitive as figure skating? Are there world cups and Olympic games for ballet? Ballet is certainly athletic and I would be willing to call it more artistic than sport but meh, whatever. Doesn't change the fact that figure skating is a sport. Just like golf, or bowling or.... by your definition It is not my definition. It is the dictionary definition. Don't like it then take it up with dictionary.com bricklaying is a sport and framing is a sport as both require considerable physical strength, stamina and training and they also have international competitions with subjective judging... And why wouldn't they be called "sports" when in the context of the competition? I know a guy who won many forester championships (climbing trees, throwing axes etc) and in that context it clearly is a sport. Meets the dictionary defintion, anyway. figure skating is not a sport, it's an activity like baton twirling... Then take it up with dictionary.com and the English language. my yearly beer consumption? maybe a dozen, my social/team beer days stpped when my active sports participation ended... That's too bad.... Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
wyly Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 No, you mean your definition doesn't agree with the dictionary definition. Perhaps you should try a new language then? Oh, is ballet as competitive as figure skating? Are there world cups and Olympic games for ballet? Ballet is certainly athletic and I would be willing to call it more artistic than sport but meh, whatever. Doesn't change the fact that figure skating is a sport. Just like golf, or bowling or.... It is not my definition. It is the dictionary definition. Don't like it then take it up with dictionary.com And why wouldn't they be called "sports" when in the context of the competition? I know a guy who won many forester championships (climbing trees, throwing axes etc) and in that context it clearly is a sport. Meets the dictionary defintion, anyway. Then take it up with dictionary.com and the English language. That's too bad.... dictionaries only repeat what the media classifies as sport, expertise in what defines a sport is not what some desk jockey at a dictionary site thinks it is...so my definition of what defines a sport is as valid as the media's...brick laying despite having competitions and requiring a great deal of physical abilities is not classified as a sport even though it meets your populist definition of sport...with your gigantic net of a definition any physical activity becomes a sport... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
msj Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 dictionaries only repeat what the media classifies as sport, expertise in what defines a sport is not what some desk jockey at a dictionary site thinks it is...so my definition of what defines a sport is as valid as the media's...brick laying despite having competitions and requiring a great deal of physical abilities is not classified as a sport even though it meets your populist definition of sport...with your gigantic net of a definition any physical activity becomes a sport... No, I have said that in the context of a competition that I would consider bricklaying to be a sport. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
wyly Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 No, I have said that in the context of a competition that I would consider bricklaying to be a sport. your scrambling to justify your definition of sport....brick laying a sport ballet is competitive, if the participants cannot be competitive in their position they are cut..so it must be a sport...therefore circus entertainers who are athletes = sport... all this watering down of how we define sports is a disservice to real competitive sports... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Boges Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Posted December 14, 2011 Cheerleading is as much a sport as Figure Skating is. Quote
Boges Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Posted December 14, 2011 I think what rubs people the wrong way about sports like Figure Skating or Gymnastics is they are decided by subjective judges not an objective standard, like say points or time. Quote
wyly Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) I think what rubs people the wrong way about sports like Figure Skating or Gymnastics is they are decided by subjective judges not an objective standard, like say points or time. very much so, art is always subjective...do we award hockey teams extra points if a goal is scored with flair? did Sydney crosby point his toe just so or extend his pinkie on that backhander then hold his pose?...who is fastest, strongest or scores the most is we define true sports, not who demonstrates the most artistic style... Edited December 14, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
msj Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 your scrambling to justify your definition of sport....brick laying a sport ballet is competitive, if the participants cannot be competitive in their position they are cut..so it must be a sport...therefore circus entertainers who are athletes = sport... all this watering down of how we define sports is a disservice to real competitive sports... So now it's a "real competitive sport" rather than just "sport." Keep changing the goal posts but the dictionary definition has already been provided. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
msj Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 Cheerleading is as much a sport as Figure Skating is. Why wouldn't it be? It may not have the recognition that you or wyly require to be a "real competitive sport" but it certainly would meet the dictionary definition already provided. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Boges Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Posted December 14, 2011 Why wouldn't it be? It may not have the recognition that you or wyly require to be a "real competitive sport" but it certainly would meet the dictionary definition already provided. There's an episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit that highlight why Cheerleading hasn't been made a sport. If it is made a sport it would have to abide by regulatory bodies. It's an effin' dangerous activity. Quote
wyly Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 So now it's a "real competitive sport" rather than just "sport." all this watering down of how we define sports is a disservice to real genuine competitive sports... there i fixed it for ya... Keep changing the goal posts but the dictionary definition has already been provided.as i pointed out your dictionary definition is also subjective, it has no relevance... it's so vague and broad two farm hands pitching hay bales on truck could be said to be engaged in sport... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
msj Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 There's an episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit that highlight why Cheerleading hasn't been made a sport. If it is made a sport it would have to abide by regulatory bodies. It's an effin' dangerous activity. Huh? So now it's only a sport if there are regulatory bodies involved? Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Jack Weber Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 Nah that goes on later between the coach and whatever 10 year-old boys he happens to lure into the locker room. Very,very classy... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
wyly Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 There's an episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit that highlight why Cheerleading hasn't been made a sport. If it is made a sport it would have to abide by regulatory bodies. It's an effin' dangerous activity. which is why professional wrestling joined the acting union and not the union that governs boxing, concussions if real require mandatory rest in boxing...so that tells you that pro wrestling isn't a sport it's an art/entertainment... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Jack Weber Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 which is why professional wrestling joined the acting union and not the union that governs boxing, concussions if real require mandatory rest in boxing...so that tells you that pro wrestling isn't a sport it's an art/entertainment... There is no union that governs boxing,unfortunately... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 If only figure skating was a butch as this, right? Figure skating is about as gay as this... Yay soccer/figure skating!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
msj Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 I like the wikipedia page on sport. In particular this section: Sports have many affinities with art. For example, figure skating, drum corps, skateboarding, artistic gymnastics, dancesport, and T'ai chi can be considered artistic spectacles. Similarly, there are other activities that have elements of sport and art in their execution, such as bodybuilding, free running, martial arts, professional wrestling, performance art, yoga, dressage, and culinary arts. Perhaps the best example is bull-fighting, which in Spain is reported in the arts pages of newspapers..... All sports involve physical and mental activities that are pursued for more than simply utilitarian reasons..... Art and sports were clearly linked at the time of Ancient Greece, when gymnastics and calisthenics invoked admiration and aesthetic appreciation for the physical build, prowess and arete displayed by participants. The modern term art as skill, is related to this ancient Greek term arete. The closeness of art and sport in these times was revealed by the nature of the Olympic Games, which were celebrations of both sporting and artistic achievements, poetry, sculpture and architectures. Of course, none of that is going to fit into some kind of cave man "real/genuine competition sport" bullsh!t. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
wyly Posted December 14, 2011 Report Posted December 14, 2011 There is no union that governs boxing,unfortunately... or boxing authority.. whatever geez...now go comment on that fat boy game where people fall down continuously for 12 minutes and pretend they're finely tuned athletes... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
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