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[Guest Peeves]

Geez Manny, sure you got enough drama into your post? You make so many non sequiturs I don't know where to start!

First off, you claim that many people despise natives. How many is many? There are always a certain percentage of bigots, in any culture. The most racist man I ever met was a Hindu! The important question is, what percentage are they? Is it enough to be significant?

Most non-natives never think about the issue! As far as despising them, I think you are exaggerating. Perhaps if you take someone from a community that lives close to a reserve with grievous problems of alcoholism and crime he may despise any bad behaviour of those natives. He may also be such a shallow thinker as to believe that the natives on that reserve are "all the same". Still, that is hardly a mainstream Canadian situation.

Second, cops often do stupid things to ALL people! Many are hired more for their toughness than their empathy skills. Those employed near reserves likely get jaded dealing with the natives that pose problems, just as a cop who works around Jane and Finch in Toronto gets jaded with the street people, of any or all races.

Hell, I knew cops when I was young that despised all teenagers, white or not!

In your feverish pursuit of placing all the blame on mainstream Canada, you seem to ignore any sense of self-sufficiency and responsibility at all. I'm reminded of a parable I've posted before. It was some time ago so perhaps many here have not heard it:

A set of twins were born to a drunken, lazy and violent father. One twin grew up exactly the same, shaped by the abuse. The other became a model citizen, getting well educated, finding a good job and raising a fine family.

When the first twin was asked "Why did you turn out the way you did?" he replied "Well, with a father like mine what would you expect?"

When the second twin was asked the same question he gave the same answer!

Good story, good point.

Obviously, A) there are problems on reserves.

Obviously there have been for a VERY long time.

C) Obviously some thing different needs to be done.

D) Obviously throwing more money at reserves hasn't and won't work.

...and face up to it, their location

AND

E) Native leaders..'chiefs' and their politicians are part of the problem.

[Guest Manny]

Yes, his post was very good in that it reinforces exactly what I said. Complete lack of regard for the on-going plight of natives, complete lack of sensitivity, all stemming from a lack of understanding.

When Bill asks,

"Why are you not strong, like me???"

The answer from a native, from those who are born into generations of ego-crushing abuse, by the very officials of this country, the answer simply has to be,

"Because I am not strong, like you..."

[Wild Bill]

Yes, his post was very good in that it reinforces exactly what I said. Complete lack of regard for the on-going plight of natives, complete lack of sensitivity, all stemming from a lack of understanding.

When Bill asks,

"Why are you not strong, like me???"

The answer from a native, from those who are born into generations of ego-crushing abuse, by the very officials of this country, the answer simply has to be,

"Because I am not strong, like you..."

You really do patronize natives, don't you?

[Bryan]

Yes, his post was very good in that it reinforces exactly what I said. Complete lack of regard for the on-going plight of natives, complete lack of sensitivity, all stemming from a lack of understanding.

When Bill asks,

"Why are you not strong, like me???"

The answer from a native, from those who are born into generations of ego-crushing abuse, by the very officials of this country, the answer simply has to be,

"Because I am not strong, like you..."

There it is again: The soft racism of low expectations.

[Guest Manny]

I give evidence, you attack me. I could give a ton more evidence, but there is no point really, I will not convince people like you. such evidence has already been giving hundreds of times, is inherently obvious but lost on those who refuse to see.

Sure, you people call me a patronizer, racist even, in your inverted world view. But that is fine and good, because it shows that you have nothing else to believe in, except lies...

[cybercoma]

I am in favor of whattever will bring these lost ancestors of canada into the 21st century.

Sounds just like the arguments made when the Europeans arrived here and decided to stay: "Now, how are we going to get them to start living like us?"

[Techjack]

Okay, this is looking like a sick post. One who's shelf life is becoming limited by increasingly people directed comments. While bill is not understanding, or agreeing with manny, manny assumes this is because he is wrong, and chides to be that way.

I want to take a fresh look at this idea, the eradication of first nations.

I met an Afrocan-American woman in Sacramento, California, who was of the opinion that the FBI and Boeing were attempting to Genocide her family.

First, I did not think genocide was a verb, but second, the claim was somewhat grandiose, and very paranoid.

Parties with motive to eradicate FN in Canada exist, or do they? The government would have less money to spend, however this seems like less of a motive, and more of an example of bad problem solving.

Big oil, or mining companies would be able to keep more money. But the amazing amount of cash they make dwarfs any payments they give out.

So, I must admit I cannot think of any one who has real motive to eradicate natives.

Who is the threat?

[cybercoma]

Yes, his post was very good in that it reinforces exactly what I said. Complete lack of regard for the on-going plight of natives, complete lack of sensitivity, all stemming from a lack of understanding.

When Bill asks,

"Why are you not strong, like me???"

The answer from a native, from those who are born into generations of ego-crushing abuse, by the very officials of this country, the answer simply has to be,

"Because I am not strong, like you..."

Let's not forget the Highway of Tears in BC. The RCMP doesn't give a crap about all of those missing aboriginal women. Look at the mishandling of the Helen Betty Osborned case, the abortion of justice that was the Pamela Jean George case (as if prostitution means a woman deserves to be murdered), or the balatant racism that lead to the death of Minnie Sutherland. We are a still a racist and abusive country when it comes to the First Nations. Yet, people expect them to trust our government, as if the end of residential schools and Harper's canned apology were enough? Not even close.

[g_bambino]

The rights exist within the cultures and on the traditional lands.

I reiterate: cultures aren't permanent; they morph, they're absorbed, they die.

[Wild Bill]

Let's not forget the Highway of Tears in BC. The RCMP doesn't give a crap about all of those missing aboriginal women. Look at the mishandling of the Helen Betty Osborned case, the abortion of justice that was the Pamela Jean George case (as if prostitution means a woman deserves to be murdered), or the balatant racism that lead to the death of Minnie Sutherland. We are a still a racist and abusive country when it comes to the First Nations. Yet, people expect them to trust our government, as if the end of residential schools and Harper's canned apology were enough? Not even close.

If there was any racism towards missing aboriginal women, it was from the RCMP and not from mainstream Canada. My understanding is that there has been a large number of missing women in that area, mostly prostitutes. One thing I've never seen in the media is whether or not the authorities looked for ANY missing prostitutes! IOW, did they jump on any cases of missing white prostitutes and ignore ONLY those of aboriginal women? I think the answer would be necessary before we can lay a considered charge of racism.

As for trusting the government, I for one would never advise the natives to do that. I don't trust our government myself! Why on earth would I tell anyone else to trust them?

[PIK]

There are native bands in canada that have done very well, without the goverment handout and pay taxes. Anything can be done if you try.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

There are native bands in canada that have done very well, without the goverment handout and pay taxes. Anything can be done if you try.

Touche !!

[Guest Manny]

I reiterate: cultures aren't permanent; they morph, they're absorbed, they die.

That's fine if it's by nature, not by force. Force should only be used when necessary. As far as natives go, hasn't enough force been applied already? Or are you part of the group that wants to finish the job.

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Edited December 18, 2011 by Manny

[Guest Manny]

There are native bands in canada that have done very well, without the goverment handout and pay taxes. Anything can be done if you try.

Touche !!

Glad that you're so impressed with a simplistic observation. Good on those who have the determination to get up on their own. But some, don't. I don't think you understand what it's like to be psychologically CRUSHED, and to have to lie down.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Glad that you're so impressed with a simplistic observation. Good on those who have the determination to get up on their own. But some, don't. I don't think you understand what it's like to be psychologically CRUSHED, and to have to lie down.

Don't get me wrong Manny, please. I will always give two points to the folks that do something, I applaud effort. I agree that the plight of those living on the reserves requires immediate public attention. That said, the knife will cut both ways, but in my view that is a good thing. It is time to clean up the mess we have been ignoring. It will be neither easy or pretty.

[cybercoma]

Anything can be done if you try.

Yeah. That's not true. How about you try to stop time with your mind. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you.

[Bryan]

I reiterate: cultures aren't permanent; they morph, they're absorbed, they die.

That's the most important point. If aboriginals really cared about retaining their traditional culture and wanted "OUT" of the white man's culture, no one would oppose that. I don't see too many of them living in TeePees, wearing caribou pelts, and subsistence hunting/fishing. They don't want that anymore, and why should they?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

That's the most important point. If aboriginals really cared about retaining their traditional culture and wanted "OUT" of the white man's culture, no one would oppose that. I don't see too many of them living in TeePees, wearing caribou pelts, and subsistence hunting/fishing. They don't want that anymore, and why should they?

To preserve their culture????

[eyeball]

I want to take a fresh look at this idea, the eradication of first nations.

How about we eradicate all nations and get back on track towards our evolution into Terrans?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

How about we eradicate all nations and get back on track towards our evolution into Terrans?

Excellent point. When you stop and think about it, that exactly what we need to do.

[Bryan]

Excellent point. When you stop and think about it, that exactly what we need to do.

One World Government!!! New World Order!!! Black helicopters! Buy Gold!!

[/alex jones]

Edited December 18, 2011 by Bryan

[AngusThermopyle]

This is our military standing up to the First Nations. They wet their pants.

You must be too young to remember Oka when it happened Cybercoma. The picture you posted has been cropped to remove the two other Natives who were there. The three of them did their best to intimidate the single young guy in the picture, he was at a post isolated from his fellow soldiers, this is why they chose him. Nevertheless the young guy did not let them intimidate him, he maintained his post and didn't even flinch in the face of these tactics. I've noticed that when people post this picture they don't post the complete picture showing the three Native guys, then, rather than commenting on how this young man could'nt be phazed by the three others they make some innacurate comment such as wetting his pants. Ask anyone who is old enough to remember seeing this on the news, they'll tell you the same.

As for Millitary vs Natives at Oka. The mandate was to act as a buffer, to keep the Quebec cops away from The Natives. Their mandate did not include conflict or combat with the Natives, any who claim otherwise are simply lying, this is a matter of public record and easily verified. Could that be a reason they did not engage the Natives? Ya think?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

One World Government!!! New World Order!!! Black helicopters! Buy Gold!!

[/alex jones]

Wrong direction. How about starting to think outside of the box. The city state evolved into a nation state, and that will evolve into an international state. Its a logical progression of the democratic model. The problems of power concentration and bureaucratic centralization are known factors and can be dealt with.

[charter.rights]

You must be too young to remember Oka when it happened Cybercoma. The picture you posted has been cropped to remove the two other Natives who were there. The three of them did their best to intimidate the single young guy in the picture, he was at a post isolated from his fellow soldiers, this is why they chose him. Nevertheless the young guy did not let them intimidate him, he maintained his post and didn't even flinch in the face of these tactics. I've noticed that when people post this picture they don't post the complete picture showing the three Native guys, then, rather than commenting on how this young man could'nt be phazed by the three others they make some innacurate comment such as wetting his pants. Ask anyone who is old enough to remember seeing this on the news, they'll tell you the same.

As for Millitary vs Natives at Oka. The mandate was to act as a buffer, to keep the Quebec cops away from The Natives. Their mandate did not include conflict or combat with the Natives, any who claim otherwise are simply lying, this is a matter of public record and easily verified. Could that be a reason they did not engage the Natives? Ya think?

And I'll call you on a lie Angus. There were no other Warriors intimidating that soldier when that confrontation took place. Here's the video.

And....

It would have been suicide for the Armed Forces to attack on Canadian soil. The world was watching and UN oversight was on the ground. The Canadian government and the Armed Forces could not have won that one. So it stands. 25 Warriors held off 3500 troops. That is a fact.

Edited December 19, 2011 by charter.rights

[Bryan]

Thanks for the video CR. Looks like several FN "warriors" attempting to intimidate the soldier. He held his ground, and kept his cool, while they were the ones to keep walking away. Hiding their faces like cowards at that.