Boges Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) I don't think anyone was expecting this. http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/173922--mlse-sold-to-rogers-bell-for-1-32-billion In one of the biggest deals in Canadian sports history, the owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs and Toronto Raptors has been sold to telecommunications giants Rogers Communications Inc. and Bell Inc.Rogers—the parent of Citytv—and Bell bought a 75 per cent stake in Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment (MLSE) from the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan for about $1 billion. The deal is expected to close in mid-2012 and is subject to regulatory and league approvals. Rogers already owns the Toronto Blue Jays and the team’s stadium, the Rogers Centre. The company also owns broadcaster Sportsnet. "MLSE is one of Teachers' longest standing and most successful investments," Jane Rowe, Senior Vice-President, Teachers' Private Capital, said in a statement. "We are proud of this iconic company, in which we first invested in 1994. It is second to none in the industry and has a very bright future. We believe that Bell and Rogers, with their MLSE partner Kilmer Sports, will deliver on the company's potential." This is weird, most Leafs games are on Rogers Sportsnet, occasionally you get a national game on TSN, and the odd game on Leafs TV. How will they spit the television broadcasts for Leafs, not to mention the Raps and TFC. Most Raps games were broadcast on the Score. These guys played nicely during the 2010 Olympics but can the co-own the biggest sports entity in Canada? I think ultimately this deal will mean HNIC won't be on CBC for the years to come. So CBC fans. As a Leafs fan, I'm happy that at least these guys will be more concerned about viewership to a team that's competitive than simply the bottom line of how much money the teams make. Edited December 9, 2011 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 As a Leafs fan, I'm happy that at least these guys will be more concerned about viewership to a team that's competitive than simply the bottom line of how much money the teams make. Don't count on it! I just listened to their press conference. They only mentioned the product (teams) once! At the end, almost as an afterthought. Everything else was just patting themselves on the back for being a megacompany. I was 15 years old when the Leafs last won the Cup! I doubt very much if they will again before I die! The Leafs are run by accountants. Why spend a lot of money for a winning team if people still will pay a small fortune for seats? If there's no need to ensure profits then they simply don't care! And that's the long and the short of it. Meanwhile, they will do everything they can to block Hamilton from getting an NHL team, a city that actually would want to win! Might leave a couple of the cheap seats empty for the Leafs every once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) Don't count on it! I just listened to their press conference. They only mentioned the product (teams) once! At the end, almost as an afterthought. Everything else was just patting themselves on the back for being a megacompany. I was 15 years old when the Leafs last won the Cup! I doubt very much if they will again before I die! The Leafs are run by accountants. Why spend a lot of money for a winning team if people still will pay a small fortune for seats? If there's no need to ensure profits then they simply don't care! And that's the long and the short of it. Meanwhile, they will do everything they can to block Hamilton from getting an NHL team, a city that actually would want to win! Might leave a couple of the cheap seats empty for the Leafs every once in a while. And buffalo and Detroit would be upset as well. And every team wants to build a winner, the leafs aren't hiring the right guys to put a team together and they spend at the cap the same as other competitive teams, that's middle managements fault, not the top. Why has Detroit built such a good team and Toronto can't? Detroit spends the same amount of money yet they get results. You can't play the leafs aren't spending on players card anymore in the cap era. Heck Minnesota spends much less and they are on top of the league. Edited December 9, 2011 by blueblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 You can't play the leafs aren't spending on players card anymore in e cap era. Perhaps, but it's been almost 50 years! We didn't have caps all that time! We're talking half a flippin' CENTURY here, BB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Oh, but "Big Telecomm" are separate entities. I'm more concerned about what this says about the telecommunications industry in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Perhaps, but it's been almost 50 years! We didn't have caps all that time! We're talking half a flippin' CENTURY here, BB! The leafs had very respectable numbers in the 1990's and early 2000's, both revenues and attendance. It was more like 23 years in the darkness, plus in the 1970s there weren't that many teams, so that leaves out the 80's as the decade of darkness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 I think ultimately this deal will mean HNIC won't be on CBC for the years to come. So CBC fans. Really? Hmmmm. So Bell and Rogers, which both carry numerous CBC stations and get revenue from them as well as using them as advertising channels, will cancel HNIC, which is also seen in every other hockey market and region in Canada, because they both bought into a share of the Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment in Toronto. Uh-huh. Nice try Boges. I think I see your problem with logic right here Boges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Really? Hmmmm. So Bell and Rogers, which both carry numerous CBC stations and get revenue from them as well as using them as advertising channels, will cancel HNIC, which is also seen in every other hockey market and region in Canada, because they both bought into a share of the Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment in Toronto. Uh-huh. Nice try Boges. I think I see your problem with logic right here Boges. That and the CBC already has a TV deal and rights to broadcast the canadian teams. Nobody went bankrupt and nullified the previous contracts. Next round of contracts will be interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Who doesn't Bell or Rogers own in Ontario? doesn't Bell own some of Montreal too? I think I am more surprised / upset with Kaberle being traded to Montreal (the enemy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 And buffalo and Detroit would be upset as well. And every team wants to build a winner, the leafs aren't hiring the right guys to put a team together and they spend at the cap the same as other competitive teams, that's middle managements fault, not the top. Actually if you've been following the Leafs they have been doing very well in months that they haven't been doing well in for the last six years.. Leafs are currently the youngest team in the NHL player age wise so mistakes are going to be made...plus most of our team has been off and on the injured reserve list ..yet we are still 15-10-3 that is a damn good record for losing our number 1 goalie for a month and a half Future looks bright with Frattin, Colborne, Gardiner, Franson We will make the playoffs this year ... just not sure how deep we're gonna make it but I don't care! we're gonna make the playoffs!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 And buffalo and Detroit would be upset as well. And every team wants to build a winner, the leafs aren't hiring the right guys to put a team together and they spend at the cap the same as other competitive teams, that's middle managements fault, not the top. Buffalo would die if Hamilton got a team. I just dont see them getting one for various reasons the strnogest being they are too close and could not afford the rights fee waiver. Why has Detroit built such a good team and Toronto can't? Detroit spends the same amount of money yet they get results. You can't play the leafs aren't spending on players card anymore in the cap era. Heck Minnesota spends much less and they are on top of the league. Detroit is 2 points ahead of the Leafs. Detroit has not done so well in the past few years playoff runs have they. 2007-2008 is not that long ago, but .....they are no closer this year either. Many teams have had bad luck ,lousy teams , bad chances over the past decade. The poinjt being, so many things have to come together at the right time for anyone to win the Cup. I do not think Boston was the best team last year, but they won it so one cannot argue. Detroit has Ken Holland and he is a master draftsman. He knew who and what he wanted and always got it somehow. But with his great skill, comes great luck. A 7th rounder, 210 overall turns out to be one of the best in the league.... A 53rd pick,3rd rounder, one of the best D-men (if not the best) over the last dozen years.... Zetterberg and Lydstrom. Thats a talent very few posess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Lidstrom Lydstrom is a different player whos not a dead wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Lidstrom Lydstrom is a different player whos not a dead wing oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Perhaps, but it's been almost 50 years! We didn't have caps all that time! We're talking half a flippin' CENTURY here, BB! 50 years of futility?? Pffffttttt...That's nothing!! Check out the Chicago Cubs and theirsoon to be 104 year drought... THAT'S futility!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Buffalo would die if Hamilton got a team. I just dont see them getting one for various reasons the strnogest being they are too close and could not afford the rights fee waiver. You know Guyser, when the League made up the rules about being so close you could drive from Hamilton to Maple Leaf Gardens in about 35 minutes. Speed limits were 80 mph on the QE highway! Now it's more like at least 2 hours most times of the day. Certainly, if you wanted to make sure you could get parked and seated you should perhaps allow yourself at least 3 hours to be safe. What's more, the drive is always a frustrating pissoff! It just frazzles your nerves and boosts your blood pressure. Maybe the League should consider the situation in terms of the real world and how long a trip takes in 2011. It's doubtful if they would, however. The status quo is just fine financially for them. I'm of the opinion now that Hamilton should simply forget about the NHL. They should support their local teams in less-important leagues. Most important, they should completely boycott any Leaf games! Not that it would have any great effect but if the League doesn't care about Hamilton then screw them and the horses they rode in on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) You know Guyser, when the League made up the rules about being so close you could drive from Hamilton to Maple Leaf Gardens in about 35 minutes. Speed limits were 80 mph on the QE highway! Now it's more like at least 2 hours most times of the day. Certainly, if you wanted to make sure you could get parked and seated you should perhaps allow yourself at least 3 hours to be safe. What's more, the drive is always a frustrating pissoff! It just frazzles your nerves and boosts your blood pressure. Maybe the League should consider the situation in terms of the real world and how long a trip takes in 2011. It's doubtful if they would, however. The status quo is just fine financially for them. I'm of the opinion now that Hamilton should simply forget about the NHL. They should support their local teams in less-important leagues. Most important, they should completely boycott any Leaf games! Not that it would have any great effect but if the League doesn't care about Hamilton then screw them and the horses they rode in on! Tiger-Cats,partner...Not silly hockey... Edited December 9, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Maybe the League should consider the situation in terms of the real world and how long a trip takes in 2011. It's doubtful if they would, however. The status quo is just fine financially for them. You answered your own query. The financials is what it is all about. I'm of the opinion now that Hamilton should simply forget about the NHL. They should support their local teams in less-important leagues. Most important, they should completely boycott any Leaf games! Not that it would have any great effect but if the League doesn't care about Hamilton then screw them and the horses they rode in on! I dont think Hamilton is big enough to have a team. The region certainly is, especially if you continue north and slightly west to K-W . Of course the St Kitts area helps to. But look at it from an NHL sense. Put in Hamilton and watch as Hamilton erodes the base of the Sabres. Within a few years , unless Buff turns the city around, the NHL will have a Phoenix on their hands, but with shittier weather ! I went ot school in Hamilton, my cousins all lived there so i was frequently in Hamilton all my life so I quite like it. Sqame goes for Buffalo as I have lifelong friends there from my cottage and go see them all the time. The only reason I mentioin this is because I dont trulyu slag either place and am not one of those TO and ONLY TO typoe people, although I have teased as if I am. Probably best of Hamiltonians forgot about the NHL coming for awhile. I just dont see it happening unless Copps falls down and a new arena comes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Really? Hmmmm. So Bell and Rogers, which both carry numerous CBC stations and get revenue from them as well as using them as advertising channels, will cancel HNIC, which is also seen in every other hockey market and region in Canada, because they both bought into a share of the Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment in Toronto. Uh-huh. Nice try Boges. I think I see your problem with logic right here Boges. These are the same guys that yanked the Olympics away from CBC. Who's to say they can't do the same to the HNIC. I don't know what will happen but it's certainly possible they'll want all the Leaf games on their content in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 You answered your own query. The financials is what it is all about. I dont think Hamilton is big enough to have a team. The region certainly is, especially if you continue north and slightly west to K-W . Of course the St Kitts area helps to. But look at it from an NHL sense. Put in Hamilton and watch as Hamilton erodes the base of the Sabres. Within a few years , unless Buff turns the city around, the NHL will have a Phoenix on their hands, but with shittier weather ! I went ot school in Hamilton, my cousins all lived there so i was frequently in Hamilton all my life so I quite like it. Sqame goes for Buffalo as I have lifelong friends there from my cottage and go see them all the time. The only reason I mentioin this is because I dont trulyu slag either place and am not one of those TO and ONLY TO typoe people, although I have teased as if I am. Probably best of Hamiltonians forgot about the NHL coming for awhile. I just dont see it happening unless Copps falls down and a new arena comes up. Hamilton is just a central location for a place where many people live. Going to see the Leafs is so difficult for your average person in the GTA so having a team in Hamilton would immediately be attractive to people in K-Dub, Halton, Peel, Niagara. I would immediately be the fan of any team in Hamilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 These are the same guys that yanked the Olympics away from CBC. Who's to say they can't do the same to the HNIC. Keep reaching for that crayon son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 These are the same guys that yanked the Olympics away from CBC. Who's to say they can't do the same to the HNIC. No they out bid them I don't know what will happen but it's certainly possible they'll want all the Leaf games on their content in the future. They will have to bid to the NHL just like HNIC does at the CBC. Frankly, if TSN and Sportsnet can do it like HNIC (and they dont) I would be ok w it. But HNIC production values, camera operators, behind scene operators are the best in the biz. Rogers and TSN wouold kill for that crew. There is a reason John Shannon is on Roger Sportsnet, and it aint cuz he is handsome . He is the one who brought many of the changes to HNIC. Goal cams anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Keep reaching for that crayon son. Wow get pretty offensive when people say something bad about your precious CBC. I see how you roll. You really don't see there being implications on how Bell/Rogers will want to control where the Leafs are seen in the future? I doubt Score will ever broadcast a Raptors game again. Ditto with CBC showing Toronto FC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) The issue of CBC was addressed in the news conference this morning. The games CBC broadcasts are controlled by the league actually. http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/12/09/rogers-bell-buy-majority-stake-in-mlse/ What does this mean for the future of Hockey Night in Canada, and its long-time hold on Saturday nights in Toronto? “It’s very important that the people understand that those games are actually separate, and controlled by the league,” Mohamed said. “There is a deal in place, and whether any party decides to bid will be something determined at the time.” So when the CBC's deal is up, there's nothing saying this media consortium can't bid for those games like they did with the Olympics. I kind of feel bad for AM640. They got that one sports upper hand on the two competing Sports Radio stations in Toronto and now apparently they won't be the home of the Leafs anymore. Edited December 9, 2011 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Wow get pretty offensive when people say something bad about your precious CBC. I see how you roll. Precious CBC? Is that what it was about? Crayon... You really don't see there being implications on how Bell/Rogers will want to control where the Leafs are seen in the future? You are acting like A) Bell/Rogers is some sort of megaconglomerate now, instead of competitors and they actually give a crap about the Leafs. BIG assumptions. But neither spells the end of HNIC on the CBC. Perhaps they want to spread the love out even more thus ensuring a lucrative Leaf broadcasting rights, lucrative Leaf merchandising rights. Etc. I doubt Score will ever broadcast a Raptors game again. Ditto with CBC showing Toronto FC. So nobody will watch them on TSN and SportsNet. Woo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) Perhaps they want to spread the love out even more thus ensuring a lucrative Leaf broadcasting rights, lucrative Leaf merchandising rights. Etc. And you don't think Bell or Rogers doesn't want a piece of that Saturday Night Game? I doubt they can compete with this Media Consortium when the contract is up. Their deal goes until 2014. So nothing will be happening in the immediate future. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2007/03/26/hockey-night-in-canada.html Edited December 9, 2011 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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