Canadian, American religious divide

[dre]

Exactly - in spite of claims that the U.S. is wildly religious while religion just doesn't mean that much in Canada.

I wouldnt say it "doesnt mean that much". It just means a lot less up here. There was about a 20% swing in that study I quoted.

Heres another study... the most extensive one Iv found so far...

http://www.ur.umich.edu/0304/Nov24_03/15.shtml

That one surveyed about 250 000 people.

The United States remains among the most religious nations in the world, according to a worldwide study by the University.

About 46 percent of American adults attend church at least once a week, not counting weddings, funerals and christenings, compared with 14 percent of adults in Great Britain, 8 percent in France, 7 percent in Sweden and 4 percent in Japan.

Moreover, 58 percent of Americans say they often think about the meaning and purpose of life, compared with 25 percent of British, 26 percent of Japanese and 31 percent of West Germans, the study says.

"While traditional religious belief and participation in organized religion have steadily declined in most advanced industrial nations, especially in Western Europe, this is not the case in the United States," says Ronald Inglehart, a researcher at the Institute for Social Research (ISR) and director of the ISR World Values Surveys, which were conducted in more than 80 nations between 1981 and 2001

[Guest American Woman]

Those people would be completely oblivious then, since Mississippi is the poorest state in the country (Louisiana and Alabama are in the bottom 10 states as well).

Yes, they would have to be "completely oblivious" not to realize that they live in a CRAPPY state.

Those states are in fact poor in comparison to say, New York, or California...just as PEI or New Brunswick are poor in comparison to Alberta or Saskatchewan.

So PEI and New Brunswick are, in fact, CRAPPY provinces...

@ both of you.

[Guest American Woman]

I wouldnt say it "doesnt mean that much". It just means a lot less up here. There was about a 20% swing in that study I quoted.

The 20% swing isn't taking error into account - as the results put both countries in the same moderate category, which hardly supports your conclusion that it means "a lot less" in Canada.

[Smallc]

So PEI and New Brunswick are, in fact, CRAPPY provinces...

I didn't really comment on that end of things.

[dre]

I didn't really comment on that end of things.

How bout Ill just retract the word "crappy", so we dont have a 10 page long debate about the meanings of words.

[olp1fan]

what are you all even debating anymore? lol

[dre]

The 20% swing isn't taking error into account - as the results put both countries in the same moderate category, which hardly supports your conclusion that it means "a lot less" in Canada.

Pretty sure the margin of error is a lot less than 20%. And theres a 50% chance errors make the spread smaller than it otherwise would be.

In either case... 20% is a pretty big difference.

which hardly supports your conclusion that it means "a lot less" in Canada.

Youre just trying to turn this into a debate about simantics. Most people would consider 20% to be pretty a pretty significant difference.

But how about we just say.... "It means that Religion is 20% less important in Canada than the US plus or minus the polls margin of error."

[Guest American Woman]

I didn't really comment on that end of things.

And you didn't really stop to think that "that end of things" was what I was objecting to?? Dre didn't say "poor states," he said "poor crappy states," which is what my comment was clearly in response to.

[dre]

what are you all even debating anymore? lol

The meaning of the word "crappy", and the meaning of "a lot less".

[olp1fan]

if you wanna know the meaning of the word crappy peak into the toilet before you flush it

[Smallc]

And you didn't really stop to think that "that end of things" was what I was objecting to?? Dre didn't say "poor states," he said "poor crappy states," which is what my comment was clearly in response to.

I'm never really sure what you're objecting too. I can't really comment on the crappiness of Alabama though.

[Guest American Woman]

The meaning of the word "crappy", and the meaning of "a lot less".

Done. Nothing like ignorance taking over a "discussion."

Have a great night.

[olp1fan]

U.S is a lot more religious than Canada... case closed

[bush_cheney2004]

U.S is a lot more religious than Canada... case closed

No way....Canada is way more religious...it's even in your frickin' Constitution Act!

[Guest American Woman]

No way....Canada is way more religious...it's even in your frickin' Constitution Act!

And naturalized citizens have to swear/affirm allegiance to a monarchy that discriminates against Catholics.

I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfill my duties as a Canadian citizen.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wait...it get's even better: A Facebook page dedicated to objection to "God" in Canada's Charter of Rights and Constitution Act:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/objecting-to-the-Canadian-constitutional-recognition-of-God/132398383446451

[cybercoma]

I'm never really sure what you're objecting too. I can't really comment on the crappiness of Alabama though.

Seriously. We both comment on the same point and she seems to think her response was clearly about the word crappy. I thought the intention was that the states were poor and obviously you did as well.

[olp1fan]

No way....Canada is way more religious...it's even in your frickin' Constitution Act!

as if that means anything really

[bush_cheney2004]

as if that means anything really

LOL! Then why is it in the Preamble at all? Somebody must have been thinking about Jeebus back in 1982.

[olp1fan]

LOL! Then why is it in the Preamble at all? Somebody must have been thinking about Jeebus back in 1982.

yet you barely hear a peep bout religion from any politician

[bush_cheney2004]

yet you barely hear a peep bout religion from any politician

I think I just heard your PM say, "God bless Canada". This is to be said before or after "God save the Queen"?

[Guest American Woman]

I think I just heard your PM say, "God bless Canada".

That's ok - 65% of Canadians find 'God bless Canada' an acceptable way for Harper to end speeches

"God keep our land glorious and free....."

[olp1fan]

I think I just heard your PM say, "God bless Canada". This is to be said before or after "God save the Queen"?

how many other times has he said it

[olp1fan]

That's ok - 65% of Canadians find 'God bless Canada' an acceptable way for Harper to end speeches

"God keep our land glorious and free....."

its just a word, it doesnt make us religious zealots unlike the US where you have the star spangled banner AND god bless america

[bush_cheney2004]

how many other times has he said it

999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 times!