Canada at war with Iran

[Topaz]

All I have to say is if this government is going to keep Canadians in war than its time for these politicians to voluntary their own kids on the front line too! Just maybe we wouldn't have no many wars if the leaders of these countries had their own in.

[Guest Derek L]

the economy is going south anyways, we're too much linked to the U.S..they have 13 trillion in debt and counting

once the E.U goes under which it will that will send the rest of the world economy into a downward spiral

we're toast dude...no matter which way you look at it

So you’d rather it worsen?

[olp1fan]

I thought you said America controlled Iraqi oil......I found that funny.

U.S got rid of Saddam only because he wanted countries to pay for oil in gold dinars right? he wanted to dump the greenback

so in a way U.S benefitted and it'd be foolish to say otherwise

[Guest Derek L]

All I have to say is if this government is going to keep Canadians in war than its time for these politicians to voluntary their own kids on the front line too! Just maybe we wouldn't have no many wars if the leaders of these countries had their own in.

So you're suggesting a draft?

[olp1fan]

So you’d rather it worsen?

You don't seem to be following me... it is absolutely going to worsen man

[Guest Derek L]

U.S got rid of Saddam only because he wanted countries to pay for oil in gold dinars right? he wanted to dump the greenback

so in a way U.S benefitted and it'd be foolish to say otherwise

But how are they controlling Iraqi oil?

[olp1fan]

But how are they controlling Iraqi oil?

I was wrong to say they were controlling the oil, however they are still buying it cheaply on their dollar

[Guest Derek L]

You don't seem to be following me... it is absolutely going to worsen man

Maybe, maybe not, but skyrocketing fuel prices defiantly won’t help…….Why the defeatist attitude?

[Guest Derek L]

I was wrong to say they were controlling the oil, however they are still buying it cheaply on their dollar

Cheaply compared to what? Are there special gas stations in the States that sell discounted Iraqi oil?

[olp1fan]

Maybe, maybe not, but skyrocketing fuel prices defiantly won’t help…….Why the defeatist attitude?

It's not possible for the E.U to survive, next is Spain..possibly in the next few weeks, and in a month it'll likely be France in crisis mode

50 % of the E.U economy will be wiped out and they'll be in a deep recession which will bring the world markets down and the world will be in a deep recession...Canada will not escape, our house of cards are about to fall down all around us

I've accepted this, it's not a defeatist attitude..it's the truth, it's reality

It surprises me how you don't think a war in Iran during a European Union crisis isn't going to do harm to the world economy

Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[olp1fan]

Cheaply compared to what? Are there special gas stations in the States that sell discounted Iraqi oil?

U.S would be forking over more money should they have to pay for oil in gold dinars instead of the greenback

[dre]

I’d revisit the “Tanker Wars”……..I don’t doubt the Saudi’s, Kuwait’s etc will continue to sell us oil, it’s just Iran, might not share in their ideals………But I do agree with your sentiment though, energy independence, be it from the Tarsands, the artic, further offshore drilling and various other sources would and will be ideal to meet the World’s demand, but that is not a reality at this time.

Iran has the same interest to sell its oil that Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have. Its what funds their survival.

And again, your solution is not only worse than the problem, but it makes the problem worse.

One of the problems we have issues with Iran right now, is that in one of our other adventures we removed the main check on Iranian influence in the region... the Baathists.. and in doing so we caused huge spikes in oil prices that resulted in Irans revenue greatly increasing.

ANd this game of whack-a-mole costs us trillions of dollars to play, and it provides us with no energy security at all. It causes huge price volatility and COMPROMISES our energy security.

And it will never end. There will always be another mole to wack.

This whole idea simply does not survive a cost benefit analysis.

[Guest Derek L]

It's not possible for the E.U to survive, next is Spain..possibly in the next few weeks, and in a month it'll likely be France in crisis mode

50 % of the E.U economy will be wiped out and they'll be in a deep recession which will bring the world markets down and the world will be in a deep recession...Canada will not escape, our house of cards are about to fall down all around us

I've accepted this, it's not a defeatist attitude..it's the truth, it's reality

It surprises me how you don't think a war in Iran during a European Union crisis isn't going to do harm to the world economy

Will a dramatic increase in the price of fuel help the world economic crisis?

[Guest Derek L]

Iran has the same interest to sell its oil that Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have. Its what funds their survival.

And again, your solution is not only worse than the problem, but it makes the problem worse.

One of the problems we have issues with Iran right now, is that in one of our other adventures we removed the main check on Iranian influence in the region... the Baathists.. and in doing so we caused huge spikes in oil prices that resulted in Irans revenue greatly increasing.

ANd this game of whack-a-mole costs us trillions of dollars to play, and it provides us with no energy security at all. It causes huge price volatility and COMPROMISES our energy security.

And it will never end. There will always be another mole to wack.

This whole idea simply does not survive a cost benefit analysis.

So if Israel unilaterally goes to war with Iran, what you’re suggesting, we (the West/G20 etc) should “stay out of it” and allow the price of oil to dramatically increase? How many trillions will that cost us?

[olp1fan]

Will a dramatic increase in the price of fuel help the world economic crisis?

Will a middle eastern regional war help the world economic crisis?

You do realize Russia, China and Germans have put a lot of work and money into Irans nuclear reactors

Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[Guest Derek L]

Will a middle eastern regional war help the world economic crisis?

You do realize Russia, China and Germans have put a lot of work and money into Irans nuclear reactors

So? What's your point? Are you worried about their loss in "investment"?

[olp1fan]

So? What's your point? Are you worried about their loss in "investment"?

no, I'm not the one who wants to bomb their national interests

you should be the one worried

Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[dre]

So if Israel unilaterally goes to war with Iran, what you’re suggesting, we (the West/G20 etc) should “stay out of it” and allow the price of oil to dramatically increase? How many trillions will that cost us?

If Im the canadian government, and Im coming to you as a taxpayer and asking you for money to fund this little adventure, what can I offer you as a benefit?

Energy security? Nope... these elective wars great damage our energy security and cause volatility in energy prices and in global markets.

Political Stability? Nope... The middle east would still be a powder keg long after we got tired of pouring blood and treasure on the sand over their and limped back home.

Economic Benefits? Nope... Canadians interests would be MUCH better served, as would the interests of our allies if we took the money we would spend on this and instead spent it developing our own oil resources so that we increase global capacity, and give countries another option besides buying from the middle east.

[Guest Derek L]

no, I'm not the one who wants to bomb their national interests

you should be the one worried

Oh I am……The price of oil skyrocketing will affect everyone to varying degrees.

[olp1fan]

Dre, the Canadians who want to go to war with Iran are ideologues

Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[olp1fan]

Oh I am……The price of oil skyrocketing will affect everyone to varying degrees.

so you should be against a war with Iran

[Guest Derek L]

If Im the canadian government, and Im coming to you as a taxpayer and asking you for money to fund this little adventure, what can I offer you as a benefit?

Energy security? Nope... these elective wars great damage our energy security and cause volatility in energy prices and in global markets.

Political Stability? Nope... The middle east would still be a powder keg long after we got tired of pouring blood and treasure on the sand over their and limped back home.

Economic Benefits? Nope... Canadians interests would be MUCH better served, as would the interests of our allies if we took the money we would spend on this and instead spent it developing our own oil resources so that we increase global capacity, and give countries another option besides buying from the middle east.

And if I’m coming at you, the Canadian taxpayer, and the price of fuel has skyrocketed, and the inherent global slowdown worsens dramatically, what benefits can I offer you?

As I’ve already asked, if next week Iran blockaded the Persian Gulf, would we be better off not responding?

[olp1fan]

If Iran blockaded the Persian Gulf next week its because Israel acted illegally and bombed them

[Guest Derek L]

so you should be against a war with Iran

No, I’d rather short term fluctuations in the price, then a sustained increase caused by Iran blockading access.

[Guest Derek L]

If Iran blockaded the Persian Gulf next week its because Israel acted illegally and bombed them

And that’s reason enough to stop the Iranian blockade