olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Has Israel blockaded or impinged the “flow of oil” recently? They block shipments of food and things such as shoes from entering gaza you seem to not be bothered by this Quote
Argus Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Iraq...duh You think the Americans got any free oil out of Iraq? The whole Iraq war cost them billions. They got no oil out of it. If any Iraqi oil is going to the US today the Americans are paying for it, just like veryone else. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wild Bill Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 America does? HAHAHA! Derek, the man doesn't even know the answer! He's so full of assumptions and biases, while almost completely empty of any documented history! He seems to have a good heart but if this is how they're teaching his generation to think in schools today then Canada is doomed! We won't have anyone qualified to keep the lights working! This thread is actually becoming a comedy! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 They block shipments of food and things such as shoes from entering gaza you seem to not be bothered by this Not the least…….My truck isn’t fuelled by Palestinians. Quote
olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) Have we threatened Iran? Have we funded terrorists to attack Iranians? Have we time and time again shouted to the rooftops how evil they are and how we need to get rid of them? yes we've threatened iran with sanctions, CIA and Mossad have done missions in iran to assassinate iranians, U.S and Israel also shout how evil the Iranians are too...do you not follow the news? Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Guest Peeves Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Canada would also freeze it's ass off in the east. Canada is not self sufficient for all petroleum distillates. How true, however, McGuinty's wind turbines, Solar energy, etc. would be rushed into service, and he'd have enough energy to provide hot air to the Legislature. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 HAHAHA! Derek, the man doesn't even know the answer! He's so full of assumptions and biases, while almost completely empty of any documented history! He seems to have a good heart but if this is how they're teaching his generation to think in schools today then Canada is doomed! We won't have anyone qualified to keep the lights working! This thread is actually becoming a comedy! Indeed, to be young again and to know everything eh Quote
olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 HAHAHA! Derek, the man doesn't even know the answer! He's so full of assumptions and biases, while almost completely empty of any documented history! He seems to have a good heart but if this is how they're teaching his generation to think in schools today then Canada is doomed! We won't have anyone qualified to keep the lights working! This thread is actually becoming a comedy! You can make fun of me all you want and I may come off as stupid but NONE of you have given me any legit reason why its in Canadas national interests to attack Iran Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 yes we've threatened iran with sanctions, CIA and Mossad have done missions in iran to assassinate iranians, U.S and Israel also shout how evil the Iranians are too...do you not follow the news? Do you have any evidence to suggest that Canada has done anything against Iran? Quote
Guest Peeves Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 yes we've threatened iran with sanctions, CIA and Mossad have done missions in iran to assassinate iranians, U.S and Israel also shout how evil the Iranians are too...do you not follow the news? I do. I saw many Iranians demonstrate against their government and disappear. Free country that hangs kids and gays. Yet for some reason you defend it over a democracy. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 You can make fun of me all you want and I may come off as stupid but NONE of you have given me any legit reason why its in Canadas national interests to attack Iran Are you old enough to drive? Quote
olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 I do. I saw many Iranians demonstrate against their government and disappear. Free country that hangs kids and gays. Yet for some reason you defend it over a democracy. I've never sided with the Iranian government..this is about whether its in Canadas national interest to go to war with Iran do you wish to go to war with every non democratic government? it sounds like it I am against Canada going to war unless its completely necessary for Canada Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Hmm. Bully them into doing what? What has anyone bullied Iran into doing lately? I don't see anyone even bothering about Iran except that Iran insists on bothering other people. When you think about it, there isn't even any reason why the Iranians should ever have concerned themselves with Israel. Israel is hundreds of miles away, and there are several countries between them and Iran. Why is Iran constantly threatening them, constantly cursing and belittling them, constantly funding terrorist groups to act against them? Why did a former Iranian president claim that as soon as Iran gets nukes it must use them on Israel? Why doesn't Iran shut its mouth and stop bothering everyone? When you think about it, there isn't even any reason why the Iranians should ever have concerned themselves with Israel. Israel is hundreds of miles away, and there are several countries between them and Iran. You really read up a little on the factors that drive middle eastern politics. Iran is involved for a couple of good reasons... First of all Lebanon has a fairly large Shia minority which is the root of Irans interests there. Hezbollah is the main party that represents lebanese Shia in the lebanese government, so Iran has a natural interest here. They also have entangling alliances with other countries involved such as Syria. Irans reasons for supporting various proxies and and allies is really no different from ours. Thats just what middle tier regional players do. And Israel has the same history of funneling money to various interests in Lebanon as Iran. Iran supports elements in Syria and Lebanon for the same reason the US supports Israel. And if you think that since Iran is hundreds of miles away it should "shut its mouth", then what does that say for Canada? We are many THOUSANDS of miles away, yet you appear to want Canada to do the same thing Iran is doing, which is pick horses in someone elses race, and funnel money to various proxies. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 You really read up a little on the factors that drive middle eastern politics. Iran is involved for a couple of good reasons... First of all Lebanon has a fairly large Shia minority which is the root of Irans interests there. Hezbollah is the main party that represents lebanese Shia in the lebanese government, so Iran has a natural interest here. They also have entangling alliances with other countries involved such as Syria. Irans reasons for supporting various proxies and and allies is really no different from ours. Thats just what middle tier regional players do. And Israel has the same history of funneling money to various interests in Lebanon as Iran. Iran supports elements in Syria and Lebanon for the same reason the US supports Israel. And if you think that since Iran is hundreds of miles away it should "shut its mouth", then what does that say for Canada? We are many THOUSANDS of miles away, yet you appear to want Canada to do the same thing Iran is doing, which is pick horses in someone elses race, and funnel money to various proxies. Sure, Iran’s actions will destabilize the region and potentially start another arms race with other Arab nations trying to acquire nuclear weapons……On the face of it, if it were between two African countries, that have little to no economic clout on the World, I wouldn’t care, but energy security is paramount. Quote
olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 it doesn't matter to me if israel attacks iran, I'm not an Israeli..not my country, I'm Canadian and Canada is my country and I say we stay out of this, it makes no sense at all to get involved other than sanctions Quote
olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 this is funny though...must be a slap in the face to the US, UK and Australia http://www.tehrantimes.com/index.php/politics/92513-senior-iranian-and-iraqi-commanders-hold-talks TEHRAN – In a meeting in Tehran on Sunday, Iraqi Chief of Staff General Babakr Zibari and IRGC Ground Forces Commander Mohammad Pakpour stressed the need for closer ties between Tehran and Baghdad. Commander Pakpour, who hosted General Zibari and his accompanying delegation, hoped the trip will help strengthen bilateral ties. Pakpur said the Iraqi people have endured many problems and difficulties over the past ten years, however, a gradual withdrawal of foreign forces from Iraq has created an opportunity in which Iraqi people and officials can directly govern their country. He called the Islamic Republic of Iran a friendly neighbor of Iraq which enjoy deep political and cultural affinities, and praised Iraqis’ endeavors in their fight against terrorism to make the country “secure and terrorism-free”. For his part, Zibari said currently the security situation in Iraq is good but there are still many challenges and “we hope Iraqi forces would tackle problems.” Zibari added that his trip to Iran has been aimed at expanding ties with Iran because “there should be close relations between the two neighbors.” Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) Sure, Irans actions will destabilize the region and potentially start another arms race with other Arab nations trying to acquire nuclear weapons……On the face of it, if it were between two African countries, that have little to no economic clout on the World, I wouldnt care, but energy security is paramount. Its highly arguable that starting major conflicts in the middle east is conducive to our energy security. The exactly opposite is true in my estimation. The countries in the middle east with oil to export will keep selling us oil till the cows come home. Thats their only major source of revenue, and they absolutely LOVE selling it to us. Its highly highly argue that we get any energy security at all from these elective wars of aggression. The west would get a lot more energy security if they spent the TRILLIONS of dollars we spend trying to "fix" the middle east by strategically exploding parts of it on developing other energy assets. And OUR actions will destabilize the middle east even more than anything Iran is doing. Edited November 13, 2011 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 it doesn't matter to me if israel attacks iran, I'm not an Israeli..not my country, I'm Canadian and Canada is my country and I say we stay out of this, it makes no sense at all to get involved other than sanctions Do you wish to see our economy slip further? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 this is funny though...must be a slap in the face to the US, UK and Australia http://www.tehrantimes.com/index.php/politics/92513-senior-iranian-and-iraqi-commanders-hold-talks TEHRAN – In a meeting in Tehran on Sunday, Iraqi Chief of Staff General Babakr Zibari and IRGC Ground Forces Commander Mohammad Pakpour stressed the need for closer ties between Tehran and Baghdad. Commander Pakpour, who hosted General Zibari and his accompanying delegation, hoped the trip will help strengthen bilateral ties. Pakpur said the Iraqi people have endured many problems and difficulties over the past ten years, however, a gradual withdrawal of foreign forces from Iraq has created an opportunity in which Iraqi people and officials can directly govern their country. He called the Islamic Republic of Iran a friendly neighbor of Iraq which enjoy deep political and cultural affinities, and praised Iraqis’ endeavors in their fight against terrorism to make the country “secure and terrorism-free”. For his part, Zibari said currently the security situation in Iraq is good but there are still many challenges and “we hope Iraqi forces would tackle problems.” Zibari added that his trip to Iran has been aimed at expanding ties with Iran because “there should be close relations between the two neighbors.” Why is it funny? Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Do you wish to see our economy slip further? No but your answer to avoiding damage to our economy appears to be to start potentially large and extremely expensive regional conflict in the middle east, that serious undermine the already weak assed global economic recovery, and then fight it will borrowed money. The solution is way more damaging to our economy than the underlying problem. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Do you wish to see our economy slip further? the economy is going south anyways, we're too much linked to the U.S..they have 13 trillion in debt and counting once the E.U goes under which it will that will send the rest of the world economy into a downward spiral we're toast dude...no matter which way you look at it Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Do you wish to see our economy slip further? If it means stickin' it to Israel and/or the USA...you bet he doesn't care. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Why is it funny? Because the countries we "liberated" are making relatiosnhips with our enemies Afghanistan and Pakistan ... Iraq and Iran ...come on, you have to find the humour in that Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Its highly arguable that starting major conflicts in the middle east is conducive to our energy security. The exactly opposite is true in my estimation. The countries in the middle east with oil to export will keep selling us oil till the cows come home. Thats their only major source of revenue, and they absolutely LOVE selling it to us. Its highly highly argue that we get any energy security at all from these elective wars of aggression. The west would get a lot more energy security if they spent the TRILLIONS of dollars we spend trying to "fix" the middle east by strategically exploding parts of it on developing other energy assets. And OUR actions will destabilize the middle east even more than anything Iran is doing. I’d revisit the “Tanker Wars”……..I don’t doubt the Saudi’s, Kuwait’s etc will continue to sell us oil, it’s just Iran, might not share in their ideals………But I do agree with your sentiment though, energy independence, be it from the Tarsands, the artic, further offshore drilling and various other sources would and will be ideal to meet the World’s demand, but that is not a reality at this time. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Because the countries we "liberated" are making relatiosnhips with our enemies Afghanistan and Pakistan ... Iraq and Iran ...come on, you have to find the humour in that I thought you said America controlled Iraqi oil......I found that funny. Quote
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