Canada at war with Iran

[Guest Derek L]

no instead your generation cowered behind proxy wars in numerous countries that you and the U.S.S.R divided and ruined

Cowered behind? I doubt there was any “cowering” during Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan……

[blueblood]

Iran has a huge army but they are under fed ...and also that was before nukes were utilized ...much different world back then

but now there is the nuclear deterrent so your point doesn't hold an iota of credibility in 2011

that IS why Iran wants nukes..so people can't bully them anymore

Point holds. Nazi Germany was bullied as well, they built up an army that was comparable to anyone else and decided to "bully" everyone else.

Perhaps if Iran smartened up they wouldn't be bullied anymore.

You reasoning is akin to that a street gang should be allowed to have guns because they are being "bullied".

We want a world with less nukes, not more.

[Vancouverite]

I would also support an attack on Iran.

[Guest Derek L]

Derek L. your generation spied on the greatest Canadian of all time Tommy Douglas

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2011/11/12/sk-tommy-douglas-files-cp-1112.html

your generation was the most delusional, paranoid generation ever

Even paranoids can have enemies

[olp1fan]

Point holds. Nazi Germany was bullied as well, they built up an army that was comparable to anyone else and decided to "bully" everyone else.

Perhaps if Iran smartened up they wouldn't be bullied anymore.

You reasoning is akin to that a street gang should be allowed to have guns because they are being "bullied".

We want a world with less nukes, not more.

The US has been invading countries all around Iran for no reason other than taking its Oil and resources...if you can't at least see why Iran is concerned then you are close minded

[blueblood]

I would also support an attack on Iran.

I am more of the supporter of change from within, as per the risk of the people of Iran supporting their gov't rather than wanting it gone. Only attack if it's deemed necessary.

[olp1fan]

Cowered behind? I doubt there was any “cowering” during Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan……

The West and the Soviets ruined Vietnam, Korea and Afghanistan in their quest to one up each other

so yes, that is cowering

[bush_cheney2004]

Derek L. your generation spied on the greatest Canadian of all time Tommy Douglas

All commies and eugenics nuts were spied on.

[olp1fan]

I would also support an attack on Iran.

reason being?

[g_bambino]

if we were a real democracy we'd have a referendum right now to decide whether to support israel in a war against iran

If we were what you define as a "real demcoracy" (iwhat the rest of the world calls an "ochlocracy", otherwise known as "mob rule") wouldn't we have to have a referendum on holding a referendum? Otherwise, the decision to hold a referendum would be, by your logic, "undemocratic".

[c/e]

Edited November 13, 2011 by g_bambino

[olp1fan]

All commies and eugenics nuts were spied on.

Communism was never a threat for the west, looking back at history now people must feel really stupid but it gave rise to the U.S military industrial complex so some people benefitted

[blueblood]

The US has been invading countries all around Iran for no reason other than taking its Oil and resources...if you can't at least see why Iran is concerned then you are close minded

How much of iraq's oil is going straight to the USA? Iran did it to themselves.

[olp1fan]

If we were what you define as a "real demcoracy" (iwhat the rest of the world calls an "ochlocracy", otherwise known as "mob rule") wouldn't we have to have a referendum on holding a referendum? Otherwise, the decision to hold a referendum would be, by your logic, "undemocratic".

[c/e]

I don't participate in semantics

[olp1fan]

How much of iraq's oil is going straight to the USA? Iran did it to themselves.

Google is your friend, I am not

[g_bambino]

I don't participate in semantics

But you do; it was you who just dictated what "real democracy" is.

[olp1fan]

But you do; it was you who just dictated what "real democracy" is.

It should be up to the people whether or not we go to war

you don't need to ask the people if they want to have a choice whether they can make a choice

how stupid would that be

Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[Guest Derek L]

Communism was never a threat for the west, looking back at history now people must feel really stupid but it gave rise to the U.S military industrial complex so some people benefitted

Ask anyone in Western Europe, Latin American, Asia and Africa if they felt Communism was a threat…….they loved it in Hungry and East Germany……

[Guest Derek L]

I don't participate in semantics

You’re right, or rationality……So why did we have to fight World War two?

[blueblood]

The West and the Soviets ruined Vietnam, Korea and Afghanistan in their quest to one up each other

so yes, that is cowering

Vietnam is one of the growing economies in Asia and south Korea enjoys a far better fate than it's commie neighbors to the north. Do you suggest that we shouldn't have intervened in south Korea? Do you think that south Korea shouldn't be as advanced as it is today?

[g_bambino]

It should be up to the people whether or not we go to war

Why is it just referenda on war that makes for "real democracy"? What defines "war"? What about when there's not enough time to mount and conduct a referendum? How will every Canadian of voting age be well enough versed in international relations, military capabilities, finances, intelligence assessments, and etc. to make an informed decision?

you don't need to ask the people if they want to have a choice whether they can make a choice

how stupid would that be

Pretty stupid. But, that's what it looked like you were defining as "real democracy": everyone needs a direct vote on everything.

[olp1fan]

Ask anyone in Western Europe, Latin American, Asia and Africa if they felt Communism was a threat…….they loved it in Hungry and East Germany……

I meant for Canada

[olp1fan]

You’re right, or rationality……So why did we have to fight World War two?

Couldn't let Germany invade countries like that...Iran is invading nobody and has not in how many years now/?

[olp1fan]

What defines "war"? What about when there's not enough time to mount and conduct a referendum?

There is enough time to do it right now

[olp1fan]

The Conservatives were not elected to majority so that we could go to war against Iran

Their ardent support for Israel was not in their election platform

[Guest Derek L]

Couldn't let Germany invade countries like that...Iran is invading nobody and has not in how many years now/?

They’ve involved themselves in supplying arms in both Iraq and Afghanistan, to say nothing about their continued support for Hezbollah.

And I'll add, why was WW I "stupid"? Wasn't Germany invading

Countries “like that”…….they even reused the Von Schlieffen Plan

Edited November 13, 2011 by Derek L