WWWTT Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 If Ontario is so damn rich, how can a liberal government downgrade it to a "Have not" in a matter of 8 years? If Ontario and Quebec have no say in what costs they incur from legislation that is passed in Ottawa then how responsible would McGuinty be for Ontario being downgraded? Is McGuinty the prime minister of Ontario?Or is Steven Harper? When Ontario becomes downgraded who is the prime minister of Ontario then? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Sentence them all to two years plus a day and they become the feds problem. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Smallc Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Equalization agreements will be on the federal/provincial negotiating table soon. That may be, but they are, quite literally, up to the federal government. Quote
guyser Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Sentence them all to two years plus a day and they become the feds problem. Brilliant Wilber. I laughed out loud on this one. Well done. Quote
Shwa Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Can we also say that every tax dollar is one removed from the free market and wasted on bureaucracy. No, because there isn't - and never has been - a "free market." Unless you believe in the tooth fairy too. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Posted November 2, 2011 This is just going to pave the way for privatized prisons. That's how the CPC will solve the problem. Quote
Argus Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 This is just going to pave the way for privatized prisons. That's how the CPC will solve the problem. As long as they're run properly and well-supervised by the government I don't have a problem with that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) Newfoundland's Tory Justice Minister says the crime bill "is a potentially costly gaffe that undermines democracy." http://m.ctv.ca/topstories/20111102/newfoundland-feds-crime-bill-111102.html Edited November 2, 2011 by cybercoma Quote
CPCFTW Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 Back in the day, the good old "righties" would know what they are talking about, but you obviously don't have a clue about how transfer payments work. Go be a good boy and pump our oil. How many unaccounted transfer payments are there in the thousands of federal government jobs in ON and QC? Who pays for those jobs and pensions? Federal taxpayers across the country. There's more than just the transfer payments going to these have-not provinces.. There's billions in salaries and pensions for bureaucrats. It's a system designed to prop up failed socialist ideals. Quote
eyeball Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 In the face of all the unwillingness to pay for his crime agenda perhaps Harper should run the idea by his social investors or maybe selling war-bonds or something would be more appropriate. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Smallc Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 How many unaccounted transfer payments are there in the thousands of federal government jobs in ON and QC? You do realize that Ontario taxpayers pay far more into the federation than they receive in transfers and services, right? Quote
Shwa Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 How many unaccounted transfer payments are there in the thousands of federal government jobs in ON and QC? Who pays for those jobs and pensions? Federal taxpayers across the country. There's more than just the transfer payments going to these have-not provinces.. There's billions in salaries and pensions for bureaucrats. It's a system designed to prop up failed socialist ideals. How many unaccounted transfer payments are there in the thousands of federal government jobs in the West and Maritimes - you know, federal departments regional offices, Service Canada centres, military bases - etc.? Who pays for those jobs and pensions? Federal taxpayers across the country. There's more than just the transfer payments going to these provinces. There's billions in salaries and pensions for bureaucrats. Duh. See what I mean? You can't even argue properly because you don't know even what you are talking about. Real conservatives used to know the facts. Now all we have is backwoods idealogues. Get back in that mine and dig out our potash. Quote
Shwa Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 In the face of all the unwillingness to pay for his crime agenda perhaps Harper should run the idea by his social investors or maybe selling war-bonds or something would be more appropriate. The War on Unreported Crime Bonds. I like that idea! Here is a poster for it: Quote
Newfoundlander Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 Newfoundland and Labrador's Justice Minister is speaking out against it. http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&ID=18259 Quote
cybercoma Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Posted November 3, 2011 Newfoundland and Labrador's Justice Minister is speaking out against it. http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&ID=18259 Oh come on! Newfoundland's Tory Justice Minister says the crime bill "is a potentially costly gaffe that undermines democracy." http://m.ctv.ca/topstories/20111102/newfoundland-feds-crime-bill-111102.html To be fair, I didn't use the province's proper name, but nobody cares about Labrador anyway. jk Quote
CPCFTW Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 (edited) How many unaccounted transfer payments are there in the thousands of federal government jobs in the West and Maritimes - you know, federal departments regional offices, Service Canada centres, military bases - etc.? Who pays for those jobs and pensions? Federal taxpayers across the country. There's more than just the transfer payments going to these provinces. There's billions in salaries and pensions for bureaucrats. Duh. See what I mean? You can't even argue properly because you don't know even what you are talking about. Real conservatives used to know the facts. Now all we have is backwoods idealogues. Get back in that mine and dig out our potash. Are you trying to compare the amount of federal governemnt jobs in the West and Maritimes to the amount of federal jobs in Ontario and Quebec? Ontario alone has an entire city of federal employees living in their own dream world of defined benefit pensions and unicorns. http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/govt58a-eng.htm 133k out of 315k federal government jobs are in Ottawa-Gatineau. Another 60k are in Montreal, Toronto, or Quebec City. 10k more in Kingston and Hamilton. There's 2/3rds of federal government jobs in those 6 cities alone (and still a good 20k jobs left in smaller cities). Alberta has 18.5k (5.8% of 315k) federal government jobs and almost 11% of Canada's population. BC has 28.7k (9% of 315k) federal government jobs and 13% of Canada's population. Saskatchewan has 5.8k (1.8% of 315k) federal government jobs and 3% of Canada's population. Nova Scotia 20k (6.3% of 315k) federal government jobs and 2.7% of Canada's population. Ontario/Quebec 223k (71% of 315k) federal government jobs and 61% of Canada's population. The hidden transfer payments. Edited November 4, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
cybercoma Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Posted November 4, 2011 So we should just get rid of the entire federal bureaucracy? Are you nuts? Quote
CPCFTW Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 (edited) So we should just get rid of the entire federal bureaucracy? Are you nuts? So we should just implant armed nuclear weapons in newborn infants and drop them on China? Are you nuts? Now go find where either of us made either of these arguments. Edited November 4, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
guyser Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Are you trying to compare the amount of federal governemnt jobs in the West and Maritimes to the amount of federal jobs in Ontario and Quebec? Ontario alone has an entire city of federal employees living in their own dream world of defined benefit pensions and unicorns. Yes ...all true. Its called the Capital Of Canada ! What a whiner. Quote
CPCFTW Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 (edited) Yes ...all true. Its called the Capital Of Canada ! What a whiner. Whiner? I'm not the one protesting. All I said in this thread is that ON and QC have a weak argument and that they get plenty of transfers from the rest of Canada which can be curtailed, I included federal government jobs as part of those transfers since they are paid for with federal taxes. 27% of the population in the Western provinces get less than 17% of the cushy federal government jobs. Do they pay less federal taxes for that? No, they pay more in fact, and that overpayment is also transferred to ON and QC. My "whining" is limited to voting for the conservatives. They will run sh*t the most in line with my beliefs. I will not be calling for an Arab Spring to overthrow the government and its unjust distribution of federal government jobs. I will leave that type of whining to you hippies. Carry on. Edited November 4, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
Smallc Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 It isn't an unjust distribution. Ottawa, Montreal, and Gatineau are all very close to the centre of the government (Ottawa and Gatineau are the centre), and Toronto is the largest city in Canada with the largest financial services institutions. Calgary probably has a growing base of government employment, too. Quote
guyser Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 (edited) Whiner? Yup. See below All I said in this thread is that ON and QC have a weak argument and that they get plenty of transfers ...27% of the population in the Western provinces get less than 17% of the cushy federal government jobs. Do they pay less federal taxes for that? No, they pay more in fact, and that overpayment is also transferred to ON and QC. Yes whining. Boo hoo. Move to Ottawa and take one of those jobs. Good pay, but then you still have to live in Ottawa. Bold...they pay the same . Edited November 4, 2011 by guyser Quote
g_bambino Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Both ON and especially QC are have-not provinces as well getting transfer payments from the West. They have no leg to stand on. Transfer payments are constitutionally mandated. Quote
CPCFTW Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Yup. See below Yes whining. Boo hoo. Move to Ottawa and take one of those jobs. Good pay, but then you still have to live in Ottawa. Bold...they pay the same . I lived in Ottawa for most of my life and have worked in the federal government. Quote
CPCFTW Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 It isn't an unjust distribution. Ottawa, Montreal, and Gatineau are all very close to the centre of the government (Ottawa and Gatineau are the centre), and Toronto is the largest city in Canada with the largest financial services institutions. Calgary probably has a growing base of government employment, too. And what about Nova Scotia? Calgary has 4400 federal government employees. I already posted the link with a city by city breakdown. Perhaps refer to that link before determining how just the distribution is. And it certainly is unjust. Having worked in the federal government, I can tell you that there is a hell of a lot of jobs there that could be done in the west. There's no reason for the majority of the jobs to be at or near the "centre of the government". Quote
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