Honour Killing Trial kicks off.

[Bob]

Kingston canal homicide victims feared father

Mohammad Shafia 'honour killing' trial starts

The beauty of "multiculturalism" on display. What a lot of people don't realize is that the threat of abuse from conservative Muslim families towards their female family members typically doesn't make it to the news until a girl/woman violates the "rules" (dates a non-Muslim boy, wears conventional clothing and refuses to wear a desert-nomad costume, or is victimized by sexual assault) and ends up in the morgue. The left, predictably, will either play down the prevalence of misogyny in Islamic societies/families, or, if they're feeling ambitious, will obfuscate the truth and suggest that honour killings are just like other forms of domestic violence, and unfairly delineated as something separate in order to denigrate Muslims/Islam.

Anyways, the murderous family of third-world trash has plead not-guilty.

[Smallc]

The beauty of "multiculturalism" on display.

No wonder you have to accuse others of ignorance, given how much you yourself show. This is a tragedy caused by backwards ways, yes, but it doesn't show that multiculturalism is a failure.

[fellowtraveller]

It is one of the saddest stories imaginable, and the two men and one woman who murdered these children would do it again if given the chance. The depth of their ignorance is frightening.

[g_bambino]

The left, predictably, will either play down the prevalence of misogyny in Islamic societies/families...

Aren't you playing up the prevalence of misogynistic violence in Muslim families? Without some actual numbers, or even a somewhat open window into the domestic practices of the majority of Muslim households, it's impossible to tell who's exaggerating.

[sp]

Edited October 21, 2011 by g_bambino

[Shwa]

Yep we all know how Bob feels about the extraordinary.

Murder of Hasidic Jewish boy shocks New York community

The gruesome killing shocked the city's tight-knit ultra-Orthodox Hasidic community even more because the suspect Levi Aron, 35, is himself an Orthodox Jew, although not Hasidic.

[Bob]

Yep we all know how Bob feels about the extraordinary.

Murder of Hasidic Jewish boy shocks New York community

If you've a got a point you're trying to make, state it explicitly. You think any Jewish community, secular or religious, has even a shred of the cultural sickness and proclivity towards violence and murder as Muslim communities? What it looks like from here is that you're trying to engage in some sort of infantile pissing contest, where it's some sort of tit-for-tat with you posting a story of a Jewish person murdering another as some sort of counterweight to what's being discussed here: the inferiority, barbarism, and savagery of religious/conservative Islamic society. More broadly, its incompatibility with Canada and the broader West.

[Bob]

Aren't you playing up the prevalence of misogynistic violence in Muslim families? Without some actual numbers, or even a somewhat open window into the domestic practices of the majority of Muslim households, it's impossible to tell who's exaggerating.

[sp]

Why don't you come to Israel and see for yourself the misogyny on display every day. Notice how virtually all the males, of all ages, dress "cool" (i.e. like homosexuals with tight acid-wash jeans and slicked back gelled hair), while all the females, of all ages, are wrapped up as desert nomads (except for the Arab Christians, of course). The most "secular" Muslim female you can find in Israel might be subtle makeup with some fitted jeans, but that is exceedingly rare. That is just on example of the massive disconnect between the expectations and treatment between men and women in "Palestinian" Mohammedan culture. Another small example would be nightlife - you will never see a Muslim woman in a nightclub or bar, but of course, you'll always see Muslim men. These same things are true in Canada, but to a lesser extent, as some assimilation takes place in Canada, whereas virtually no assimilation takes places in Israel.

EDIT - You can see it in all Canadian cities with sizeable Mohammedan populations - Ottawa, Toronto, and Montreal as examples. See the disconnect between males and females. The misogyny isn't hard to see. Of course it's much worse among conservative/religious Muslim families than among more modern/secular Muslim families.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Bob

[cybercoma]

I'm curious of all the domistic homicides in Canada how many are religiously motivated. Anyone have numbers?

Edited October 21, 2011 by cybercoma

[Moonlight Graham]

The beauty of "multiculturalism" on display.

It's not multiculturalism in this instance if they arrested/detained them and putting them through trial for murder. It;s not "reasonable accommodation" unless they let them go free in the name of cultural rights.

[cybercoma]

There doesn't seem to be any clear evidence that religion would be an indicator in domestic homicides in the sense that there may be different rates in Canada between different religions. Here's statscan's figures:

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/2009000/part-partie5-eng.htm

There were 4 spousal homicides per 1,000,000 spouses and they seemed to involve more young, common-law partners than others. Devotely religious people are more likely to be older and traditionally married. For child homicides by family members, the rate is even lower at 3 homicides per 1,000,000 children.

Homicides in general is rare. As a spouse you have a 4 in a million chance of being killed by your partner and as a child you have a 3 in a million chance of being killed by your parent. There are medications that carry higher risks of death than that. The odds of being hit by lightning are 1 in roughly 600000. While domestic homicide exists and does need to be addressed, it doesn't seem to be a fact of any given religion here.

[Moonlight Graham]

Bob, how do you feel about female genital mutilation by some cultures?

[Shwa]

If you've a got a point you're trying to make, state it explicitly. You think any Jewish community, secular or religious, has even a shred of the cultural sickness and proclivity towards violence and murder as Muslim communities? What it looks like from here is that you're trying to engage in some sort of infantile pissing contest, where it's some sort of tit-for-tat with you posting a story of a Jewish person murdering another as some sort of counterweight to what's being discussed here: the inferiority, barbarism, and savagery of religious/conservative Islamic society. More broadly, its incompatibility with Canada and the broader West.

That's a good question, let me mull it over...

Jewish-American organized crime

In 2010, it was reported by Wikileaks that the United States Embassy in Israel, in a cable titled "Israel: The Promised Land of Organized Crime?", had expressed grave concern about the activities of Israeli organized crime figures and was taking measures to prevent members of crime families from being issued visas to the United States.

[Bob]

That's a good question, let me mull it over...

Jewish-American organized crime

Let me help you out, go look up Baruch Goldstein, Bernie Madoff, Roman Polanski, and Bill Surkis. That should give you a little more ammunition in your amusing attempts to portray Jewish communities in a negative light. Oh, before I forget, you can also try to use David Berkowitz as some sort of indicator of how Jews are just as bad as everyone else, including Mohammedans. Because, according to your worldview, all societies and cultures are equal. So I just wanted to give you a few more tools towards advancing that false narrative.

[Black Dog]

I'm wondering myself what this has to do with multiculturalism.

[Battletoads]

Multiculturalism works when immigrants are coming from civilized places, with somewhat similar cultures. Where is fails is when we start accepting the filth of the world from barbaric societies.

[guyser]

I'm wondering myself what this has to do with multiculturalism.

Sweet f*** all, but it gives the resident bigot screen time to spout bs from Israel .

Edited October 21, 2011 by guyser

[Bob]

Multiculturalism works when immigrants are coming from civilized places, with somewhat similar cultures. Where is fails is when we start accepting the filth of the world from barbaric societies.

Well said. Multiculturalism as an ideology forces people to operate on the false assumption that all cultures are equal and good in their own ways. It prevents Canada from being able to filter potential immigrants based on more subjective criteria such as: culture. The consequence? Canada imports third-world trash like it's going out of style.

[g_bambino]

Notice how virtually all the males, of all ages, dress "cool" (i.e. like homosexuals with tight acid-wash jeans and slicked back gelled hair), while all the females, of all ages, are wrapped up as desert nomads (except for the Arab Christians, of course)...

The difference between men's and women's dress is not evidence of misogynistic violence.

[Bob]

The difference between men's and women's dress is not evidence of misogynistic violence.

It's just a part of broader picture, and it's clear you can't connect the dots on your own and know very little about Arab/Muslim misogyny.

[cybercoma]

Where is fails is when we start accepting the filth of the world from barbaric societies.

Because everyone in any given society can be "filth" and "barbaric"? Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran, as an example, all have warring factions that have drastically different opinions about religion, politics and society. Your ignorance is disgusting.

[Bob]

Because everyone in any given society can be "filth" and "barbaric"? Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran, as an example, all have warring factions that have drastically different opinions about religion, politics and society. Your ignorance is disgusting.

He didn't say "everyone". That's your dishonest leftist editorializing.

[g_bambino]

It's just a part of broader picture...

Why are you broadening the picture now? You started out very focused on the opinion that misogynistic violence is common in Islamic families.

[c/e]

Edited October 21, 2011 by g_bambino

[cybercoma]

He didn't say "everyone". That's your dishonest leftist editorializing.

If someone comes from a "barbaric society" then they are the "filth of the world" and we mustn't accept them. It's quite clearly "everyone" from those societies that he's talking about and that your bigoted idiocy supports.

[Bob]

Why are you broadening the picture now? You started out very focused on the opinion that misogynistic violence is common in Islamic families.

[c/e]

I stated that the threat of violence that keeps females in check in Mohammedan families is much more common than the media lets on. Not that it's common in a broad sense. I am specific with my language for a reason. Keep on editorializing, though, as a good leftist does.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Bob

[Bob]

If someone comes from a "barbaric society" then they are the "filth of the world" and we mustn't accept them. It's quite clearly "everyone" from those societies that he's talking about and that your bigoted idiocy supports.

He stated that we shouldn't accept the filth of the world from barbaric societies, not that all people from barbaric societies are the filth of the world. It's funny how you leftists are so dedicated to misrepresenting words. Or perhaps you're simply incapable of reading English accurately through your ideologically-stained glasses.