Supreme Court to hear Tory in-and-out ad case

[olp1fan]

If the SCC finds this illegal what do you think will happen? In reality they will get more than a fine..this could be the collapse of the Canadian government and instead of an election being called the GG might just ask the NDP to be the new government...hopefully this will be the end of the cons

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/10/20/pol-cp-in-out-elections-canada.html

The Supreme Court of Canada will hear a case that pits the federal Conservatives against Elections Canada over advertising expenses.

The justices have granted the Tories leave to appeal in the so-called in-out scheme.

As usual, the court gave no reasons for its decision.

The Tories argue that shuffling advertising money between national and local campaigns is a common practice and legal.

The elections watchdog maintains the scheme allowed the national party to exceed its spending limit by permitting local candidates to claim rebates on expenses they hadn't actually incurred.

The Federal Court sided with the Conservatives but the Federal Court of Appeal overturned that in favour of Elections Canada.

[olp1fan]

At the very least this is "Grafting" if not election fraud therefore the punishment should be more than fines

What is even more f***** up is during this (2006) election the conservatives were preaching they would do the complete opposite of this...I cannot wait to see Harper, Baird, Clement with their suit coats over their head doing the walk of shame past the reporters

[Smallc]

If the SCC finds this illegal what do you think will happen? In reality they will get more than a fine..this could be the collapse of the Canadian government and instead of an election being called the GG might just ask the NDP to be the new government

Ummm....how?

[Argus]

If the SCC finds this illegal what do you think will happen? In reality they will get more than a fine..this could be the collapse of the Canadian government and instead of an election being called the GG might just ask the NDP to be the new government...hopefully this will be the end of the cons

Interesting fantasy world you live in there.

The only penalty is that the money the tories expected to get repaid to them for election expenses -- won't be.

Might be a small fine. That's it. Despite he howls and wailing from the left this was a minor administrative matter.

[olp1fan]

Ummm....how?

Election Fraud isn't minor

[olp1fan]

Interesting fantasy world you live in there.

The only penalty is that the money the tories expected to get repaid to them for election expenses -- won't be.

Might be a small fine. That's it. Despite he howls and wailing from the left this was a minor administrative matter.

yeah sure, if this was "minor" would it be going all the way to Canadas top court? Rofl

[jacee]

Interesting fantasy world you live in there.

The only penalty is that the money the tories expected to get repaid to them for election expenses -- won't be.

Might be a small fine. That's it. Despite he howls and wailing from the left this was a minor administrative matter.

But not a minor ethical issue.

Still outstanding: contempt of parliament.

Also, Harper's seniors constituency got hoodwinked into believing he would be maintaining increased costs of health care. Not so: The 6% he promised them might cover increased cost of care for existing population, but not annual increase in population itself, esp increase in senior population.

I had the dubious pleasure of explaining that to some. They were embarrassed that they'd been taken in by the manipulation of numbers, and furious and VERY worried.

"This year's budget for health care was the BIGGEST EVER IN THE HISTORY OF CANADA!"

Ya ... so's the population.

Means nothing for per capita funding, esp for cost intensive senior health care.

I can't wait 'til they hit the streets!

Edited October 21, 2011 by jacee

[capricorn]

I had the dubious pleasure of explaining that to some. They were ... VERY worried.

Having you explain something to me would get me very worried too ... about your well being.

[ToadBrother]

But not a minor ethical issue.

Still outstanding: contempt of parliament.

What do you mean outstanding? Parliament held the government in contempt, and that was it. It doesn't last forever, and there was election nearly immediately after, so that's done. If Parliament had wanted to do more than that, well they had their chance. Contempt of Parliament is not some criminal charge that has to wait for a trial, there was a trial, or as much as you get, the House voted the Government in contempt. And most certainly such a finding of contempt only lasts the lifespan of that Parliament, and, well, that Parliament isn't sitting any more, having gone to dissolution for the election this spring.

[ToadBrother]

Election Fraud isn't minor

But neither is the Supreme Court going to order all those seats be vacated. This does not rise to the level of misconduct that any court in the land would deem severe enough to throw out the election results and call new elections.

[olp1fan]

But neither is the Supreme Court going to order all those seats be vacated. This does not rise to the level of misconduct that any court in the land would deem severe enough to throw out the election results and call new elections.

we will see

[William Ashley]

With a total majority laws really don't matter, aside from the time frame of changing legislation.

None the less what this really amounts to is deregistration of the cpc and some mp's being disqualfied from holding office, and some past mps not being allowed to run again. Back to a minirity in the worse/best case, thise seats would be up for bielection anyway are people going to want a minority again, its been less than a year. There is still a queen and senate, the crime is still by the people, the guns are still watched, alberta still doesn't have more seats than ontario, there isn't 2 trillion debt yet, and canada isn't at war with the other 15 arab states and iran. Calm down there is still more fun in store. My gosh the charter still exists, and the f35s havn't been delivered, the boats havn't been built,,, liberals could scrap that if they assumed thendp's 100+ seats and te conservsrtoive scapegoats and blocs seats. (my gosh there is still a canada instead of the 11 or so federated states of the united states commonwealth. there are still unions.

The reality is the system is corrupt so people will lie and bs about things, crooks walk away, life goes on.

This is the problem, with the partisan system.

deregistration just requires them to pay some bills and get some signatures, reality is though even in an obvious case of election fraud we are still havig this discussion.

It has taken years and years for this, it just shows the sorry state the judicial system is in.

They are all about them and that is what it comes down to.

Edited October 21, 2011 by William Ashley

[jacee]

Having you explain something to me would get me very worried too ... about your well being.

[Topaz]

IF the average Canadians business did what the Tories did, what do you think Revenue Canada would tell them about their write offs on their business income return? Beside that, if its so legal, why hasn't any other party done it the exact same way? Because its not legal!