Hypocrisy!

[Bonam]

In my experience, the worst hypocrites are people that have a cause (Note: I don't mean just having an opinion or a strong opinion). Whether their cause is their political party of choice, their view on the Arab-Israeli conflict, their stance on the environment and global warming, "social justice", or whatever else, people who are obsessed with a cause view everything through a prism that puts their cause in a good light and any opposition to it in a bad one. This frequently leads to extremes of hypocrisy.

[CitizenX]

Maybe you're not, I'm not sure.

It's not easy to measure the intent of a poster on these internet sites, especially when the topic of faith comes up. I rarely post on this subject because I view the topic as very personal in nature. Mind you I didn't intend my comments to be mean toward you. I suppose it's a reflection of the fact that I keep my faith close to my heart and don't share it easily.

I can assure you that I am not posting just to upset people. My questions and statements are genuine.

Something that I have thought about is the idea of a person like Jesus living today, he would most certainly be a socialist. Do you agree or disagree? The reason I ask is, and I'm making an assumption, Why are most Christians Conservatives and not NDPer's? I am neither in case you are wondering.

Is Jesus Christ a Socialist?

Edited September 26, 2011 by CitizenX

[Sir Bandelot]

Well there can be social conservatives.

Jesus would certainly not be a Liberal, after all...

[lukin]

I didn't see a single mention of China in the source of your delusion.

Very good, eyeball. The article didn't mention China because human rights activists are too scared to do anything meaningful against countries with strong human rights violations. Easy to go after a soft target like Cheney.

[Jack Weber]

How 'bout free market individualists using collectivist associations ,like the NAM,to promote "freedom" in the workplace (see keeping wages and benefit plans low)

[BubberMiley]

In the real world, Christians know where to draw the line between credos and reality.

You're saying Christians don't really believe Christ's words? I don't think they want you speaking for them anymore.

Edited September 26, 2011 by BubberMiley

[Sir Bandelot]

Very good, eyeball. The article didn't mention China because human rights activists are too scared to do anything meaningful against countries with strong human rights violations. Easy to go after a soft target like Cheney.

I don't see it that way. Cheney is not a soft target, though certainly pudgy. But more to the point, the big boys have no problem doing business with countries that have strong human rights violations, and when leaders go to visit places like China the words "human rights" scarcely depart from their lips. They wouldn't want such criticism to sour a good business deal. Hypocrisy is, when our leader points to one country and condemns them or even justifies invasion because of their record of human rights violations, and then does business with another that is even worse. And China is perhaps the worst in terms of number of State ordered executions, in the rights of workers, in environmental regulations and pollution. That does not prevent Harper et al from genuflecting in front of their leaders.

[Jack Weber]

I don't see it that way. Cheney is not a soft target, though certainly pudgy. But more to the point, the big boys have no problem doing business with countries that have strong human rights violations, and when leaders go to visit places like China the words "human rights" scarcely depart from their lips. They wouldn't want such criticism to sour a good business deal. Hypocrisy is, when our leader points to one country and condemns them or even justifies invasion because of their record of human rights violations, and then does business with another that is even worse. And China is perhaps the worst in terms of number of State ordered executions, in the rights of workers, in environmental regulations and pollution. That does not prevent Harper et al from genuflecting in front of their leaders.

Remember when we were told by the free marketeers that once free entreprise took hold in China,human rights would certainly follow???

How's that Chinese coal mine safety program workin' out?

The Fascist Chinese just let business do its thing,( minus that proprietary information stuff),then go about imprisoning...errrrr..."reducating" and murdering anyone who tries to speak up about it...

And the "Kevin O'Leary types" just love this approach to government...

Meanwhile,our "leaders" say nothing for fear of "offending" Chinese sensibilities.

Corporate Fascism anyone?

Edited September 26, 2011 by Jack Weber

[bush_cheney2004]

Hypocrisy is, when our leader points to one country and condemns them or even justifies invasion because of their record of human rights violations, and then does business with another that is even worse. And China is perhaps the worst in terms of number of State ordered executions...

Hypocrisy and state ordered executions are not illegal. Canada's biggest trading partner still executes prisoners.

[Sir Bandelot]

Hypocrisy and state ordered executions are not illegal. Canada's biggest trading partner still executes prisoners.

I think USA is like 5th in the world for state executions. At the top with China, among others such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Yemen, Libya. Some mighty strange bedfellows, for the land of the free.

At least the US does not employ slave labour... yet

[Jack Weber]

At least the US does not employ slave labour... yet

It's called "outsourcing"....

(Here come the patented Free Marketer buzzwords)

For productivity and competativeness reasons!!!!

[Sir Bandelot]

It's called "outsourcing"....

(Here come the patented Free Marketer buzzwords)

For productivity and competativeness reasons!!!!

Agreed... the great powers now commit their sins by proxy.

As do we, by living within it!

Not opposing this, makes us the greatest hypocrites

[GostHacked]

Agreed... the great powers now commit their sins by proxy.

As do we, by living within it!

Not opposing this, makes us the greatest hypocrites

And when people oppose it, they are called traitors, or unpatriotic, or freedom haters, and on and on.

Look at one of the proxies that is Haliburton and Blackwater.

[Guest American Woman]

American Woman, on 25 September 2011 - 05:52 PM, said: I don't think it's hypocritical to claim one is a Christian even though they don't embrace and love murderers/terrorists.

Of course it is. That's the problem with people that call themselves Christians it's more about being a social club than a way of life. Christianity about love and understanding, it's about compassion and empathy.

How would you, a non-Christian, who doesn't believe in God, know what all being a Christian entails? Sure, that's what the teachings of Christianity are all about - love and understanding and compassion and empathy - and that's what Christians strive for. But not being Jesus or God themselves, being human, they aren't perfect - nor are they required to be. They strive for what Jesus taught, but Jesus never said 'you can't be a Christian unless you follow my words and do exactly as I suggest and never fail in any of my teachings.' That's why God is also about forgiveness. Furthermore, Jesus didn't write the Bible, men did. So one has to approach the Bible and Christianity with a critical mind. Christians don't all have the same beliefs, which is why there are different sects. So for you to determine what does, or doesn't, constitute "being a Christian" is either ignorance or arrogance.

So no, that's "not the problem with people that call themselves Christians." That's not what it's "more about." The problem is with your total lack of understanding/knowledge.

Either you follow his philosophy or you don't. If a person calls himself/herself a Christian but does not follow Jesus's philosophy what do you call this?

Being human as opposed to being Jesus himself.

love your enemy and turn the other cheek.

Go for it if that's your choice. In the meantime, Christians, who understand what Christianity is about, what God is about, and what Jesus is about, know that the only Christian who is hypocritical in this area is one who expects others to love their enemy as they don't, and expects others to turn the other cheek as they don't. That's they only way hypocrisy enters into it.

[CitizenX]

How would you, a non-Christian, who doesn't believe in God, know what all being a Christian entails?

So you have to be a Christian, and believe in God to understand the philosophy of a man name Jesus? His words seem to be easily understood, and even you agree that the teachings that I have quoted are "what the teachings of Christianity are all about - love and understanding and compassion and empathy - and that's what Christians strive for".

But you seem to believe that because people are not "Jesus or God themselves" that Christians have an out if they want to ignore any of the teaching they don't agree with. Is this correct?

You stated "They strive for what Jesus taught, but Jesus never said 'you can't be a Christian unless you follow my words and do exactly as I suggest and never fail in any of my teachings." But isn't it just common sense? Where did he say, hey guys and gals these are just suggestions, you know follow them or don't no biggy. And I'm not talking about failing his teachings and coming up short, you are right human's are fallible and imperfect. But to pick and chose which of his teachings you want to follow, well that's just not correct.

"Jesus didn't write the Bible, men did. So one has to approach the Bible and Christianity with a critical mind." Well this is the first thing that we agree on. But it makes me question you as a Christian, if you are one. Not to be rude or disparaging but Christianity and a critical mind don't really go hand in hand. Christianity is about faith, which is why I call my self an agnostic. I have no room for faith in my life, and being an atheist requires just as much faith.

"Christians don't all have the same beliefs, which is why there are different sects. So for you to determine what does, or doesn't, constitute "being a Christian" is either ignorance or arrogance." Are you saying that Christians don't all share in the basic teachings that I've previously quoted? I think your wrong and would be very surprised if you could show different.

"So no, that's "not the problem with people that call themselves Christians." That's not what it's "more about." The problem is with your total lack of understanding/knowledge."

Please enlighten me as to where I lack the understanding and knowledge of the philosophy of jesus.

Either you follow his philosophy or you don't. If a person calls himself/herself a Christian but does not follow Jesus's philosophy what do you call this?

"Being human as opposed to being Jesus himself."

I would call the picking and choosing of his teachings and outright ignoring others and still calling yourself a Christian because you go to church is by definition Hypocrisy. Jesus and God are not in any church they are in your heart and in your actions.

Go for it if that's your choice. In the meantime, Christians, who understand what Christianity is about, what God is about, and what Jesus is about, know that the only Christian who is hypocritical in this area is one who expects others to love their enemy as they don't, and expects others to turn the other cheek as they don't. That's they only way hypocrisy enters into it.

I'm sorry but if you look up hypocrite in the dictionary you would find a picture of your face.

Edited September 26, 2011 by CitizenX

[Guest American Woman]

I'm sorry but if you look up hypocrite in the dictionary you would find a picture of your face.

And I'm glad I started reading this post from the bottom up so I don't have to be sorry I wasted my time reading it.

[CitizenX]

And I'm glad I started reading this post from the bottom up so I don't have to be sorry I wasted my time reading it.

That's right you wouldn't want to come up with an intelligent rebuttal. The truth hurts, and for this I apologize. I won't force you to think. have a good day

Not to be rude or disparaging but Christianity and a critical mind don't really go hand in hand.

If I could suggest some books to you that I've found interesting and enlightening

Saving Jesus from the Church: How to Stop Worshiping Christ and Start Following Jesus

The Philosophy of Jesus

(Please buy Local and from Small businesses)

Edited September 26, 2011 by CitizenX

[BubberMiley]

And I'm glad I started reading this post from the bottom up so I don't have to be sorry I wasted my time reading it.

I like using that particular smiley face when I'm totally sacked in a debate too.

[lukin]

Chickens that laugh at penguins because the can`t fly are hypocritical.

[Scotty]

Does anyone understand what this guy is talking about?

English is difficult for you?

[Scotty]

Very good, eyeball. The article didn't mention China because human rights activists are too scared to do anything meaningful against countries with strong human rights violations. Easy to go after a soft target like Cheney.

I don't think they're scared of it. They just don't pay any attention to it. Most of them are simply responding, in knee-jerk fashion, to whatever they see on their TVs. Since Chinese human rights violations aren't shown on their TVs, it doesn't exist and doesn't really bother them. Same goes for Iran or North Korea or whatever.

But they get live pictures of Israel and the territories all the time.

[Scotty]

Hypocrisy and state ordered executions are not illegal. Canada's biggest trading partner still executes prisoners.

I think there's a substantial moral difference between executing a murderer and executing a woman for adultery, or a Tibetan for protesting against Chinese government rule.

[CitizenX]

Something that I have thought about is the idea of a person like Jesus living today, he would most certainly be a socialist. Do you agree or disagree? The reason I ask is, and I'm making an assumption, Why are most Christians Conservatives and not NDPer's? I am neither in case you are wondering.

Is Jesus Christ a Socialist?

Yes I'm quoting myself. This was a serious question and I received no response, so I thought I would ask again.

I don't fully understand the relationship between Christians and Conservatives. It seems to me a oxymoron, and on the Christian end hypocritical.

I am going to make some observations here that I have of Conservatives that I know and some that I believe are that post on this site. Please correct me If I am wrong, and I will try not to generalize to much (may not be helped). Please feel free to add to my list.

Conservatives values that go against the Values Jesus Taught

1. Pro Capitalist (a system run on self interest)
   
2. Pro Corporation ( a entity that values money above all else)
   
3. Against Welfare State
   
4. For harsh punishments against Crime
   
5. Does not hold equality as a value (more for the rich than the poor ie pro business anti-union)
   
6. Pro War (More than the left anyways)
   
7. Pro Capital Punishment
   

[CitizenX]

I think there's a substantial moral difference between executing a murderer and executing a woman for adultery, or a Tibetan for protesting against Chinese government rule.

Murdering a murder is the same as murdering a woman for adultery. Murder is murder. You can call it an execution if it makes feel better but it's really just murder.

Tibetan for protesting against Chinese government rule?????????

Edited September 27, 2011 by CitizenX

[GostHacked]

Chickens that laugh at penguins because the can`t fly are hypocritical.

Can I get this on a bumper sticker please??? !!!!