UK Citizens Rebel Against High Energy Bills

[thepatrickblack]

http://abetterenergyplan.ca/#/news/green_backlash

Serious question, what is your ceiling? We all want a cleaner Earth but how much would be too much to pay for it?

[Wild Bill]

http://abetterenergyplan.ca/#/news/green_backlash

Serious question, what is your ceiling? We all want a cleaner Earth but how much would be too much to pay for it?

Another serious question would be, do citizens trust government solutions to be necessary, positive and cost-effective?

Most people are in favour of the concept of becoming more green. They just have made a value judgement of how good a vehicle of change is their government, going on past experience.

"An elephant is a mouse designed by the government" is one of the kindest of folk sayings...

[Michael Hardner]

Another serious question would be, do citizens trust government solutions to be necessary, positive and cost-effective?

Actually, WB, the carbon credit system is supposed to be a solution to that: basically turn the problem over to the business sector to solve.

I wanted to point that out, since the CC system is disparaged along with anything Green... HOWEVER... it is also important to point out that the UN system is different from the system that the Bush (I) administration developed to tackle acid rain.

[GostHacked]

Actually, WB, the carbon credit system is supposed to be a solution to that: basically turn the problem over to the business sector to solve.

I wanted to point that out, since the CC system is disparaged along with anything Green... HOWEVER... it is also important to point out that the UN system is different from the system that the Bush (I) administration developed to tackle acid rain.

The credit system does little to curb emissions in my view. Money just changes hands, and you can simply buy credits to keep on polluting.

[Michael Hardner]

The credit system does little to curb emissions in my view. Money just changes hands, and you can simply buy credits to keep on polluting.

Which 'credit system' ? The one designed by Bush or the UN one ?

[Nora222]

The other day Denmark laid its claims to "three areas around Greenland, including an area north of Greenland which among other areas covers the North Pole" (http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-denmark-north-pole.html). Surely, these claims, which would be finally made by Danish government in 2014, can put Denmark on a collision course with other countries bordering the Arctic, such as Russia and Canada, because they can also pretend to the extension of 200 mile economic zone in Arctic waters in accordance with the UN Law of the Sea Convention. The matter is that our underwater continental margin protrudes outside these 200 nautical miles.

But while our countries will try to cut the hair on this question, not only Arctic coastal states will actively start to share the Arctic region, because it is the largest oil and natural gas storage of humanity. Such countries as China, India, Japan, Germany and some other European states won’t wait till 2014-2020 or prove their rights to the Arctic shelf at all. Thus, countries bordering the Arctic should accelerate the pace of Arctic’s splitting; otherwise we’ll come to nothing!

[GostHacked]

Which 'credit system' ? The one designed by Bush or the UN one ?

Both. If credits can be bought/traded, you can pollute as long as you can pay. The cost of the fine/penalty is simply a risk factor and factored into the bottom line. If profits are going to continue to go up, they will not adhere to regulations,. and smply pay the fine afterwards with no consequences, and without progress of actually dealing with the problem.