Denis Lebel

[M.Dancer]

I remember the Meech Lake accord it failed. What is your point?

My point is...

In fact the NDP was the only party that talked about getting Quebec to sign the Canada Act. Go figure just more proof how much more Federalist the NPD is then Harper eh?

You're a hack

[CPCFTW]

Basically if you don't believe in grandiose central planning of socialist ideals, then you are not a federalist and hate Canada. You see, the provinces signed a document, and no matter how that document is interpreted, or how poorly it is implemented, you hate Canada just like the separatists if you don't agree to centrally planned communism.

Edited August 11, 2011 by CPCFTW

[punked]

Basically if you don't believe in grandiose central planning of socialist ideals, then you are not a federalist and hate Canada. You see, the provinces signed a document, and no matter how that document is interpreted, or how poorly it is implemented, you hate Canada just like the separatists if you don't agree to centrally planned communism.

If you don't believe in a Central government then you aren't a Federalist. Not in this country or any other. Wow Conservatives are ignorant.

If you don't believe in Social transfers or Equalization and that the country needs to have standards across the country for Health, Education and so on then you don't believe in the Constitution of Canada. In that case you are much closer to the Bloc in your beliefs then Federalism.

Edited August 11, 2011 by punked

[CPCFTW]

If you don't believe in a Central government then you aren't a Federalist. Not in this country or any other. Wow Conservatives are ignorant.

If you don't believe in Social transfers or Equalization and that the country needs to have standards across the country for Health, Education and so on then you don't believe in the Constitution of Canada. In that case you are much closer to the Bloc in your beliefs then Federalism.

Why are you repeating what I said? I already summarized your talking points.

If you don't believe in communist central planning, then the terrorists win.

Edited August 11, 2011 by CPCFTW

[punked]

Why are you repeating what I said? I already summarized your talking points.

If you don't believe in communist central planning, then the terrorists win.

You don't know what Federalism is do you? What I said aren't talking points they are the parts of the Constitution of this country. Hate it? Join the party that hates it to the Bloc.

[CPCFTW]

You don't know what Federalism is do you? What I said aren't talking points they are the parts of the Constitution of this country. Hate it? Join the party that hates it to the Bloc.

I won't ever let the terrorists win. Where can I get my NDP t-shirt?

[punked]

I won't ever let the terrorists win. Where can I get my NDP t-shirt?

Please read what I have said. I have said having the opinion that Equalization is wrong is just fine. That however makes you closer to the Bloc then the NDP on the political spectrum. My point was that the people saying the NDP are the new bloc agree more with the Bloc then the NDP do.

[CPCFTW]

Please read what I have said. I have said having the opinion that Equalization is wrong is just fine. That however makes you closer to the Bloc then the NDP on the political spectrum. My point was that the people saying the NDP are the new bloc agree more with the Bloc then the NDP do.

The Bloc wanted to separate from Canada OR at least receive more autonomy. Conservatives want provinces to have more autonomy to create a better Canada. That is why the positions overlap. The key difference is the underlying hatred for Canada. Nycole Turmel was a part of the party that hates Canada just a few months ago, no matter how you try to spin it. You are just lumping your vision of Canada under "federalism" and claiming that anything that deviates from that definition is anti-federalist and anti-Canada. Canada is not simply your definition of federalism.

Edited August 11, 2011 by CPCFTW

[M.Dancer]

The Bloc wanted to separate from Canada OR at least receive more autonomy. Conservatives want provinces to have more autonomy to create a better Canada. That is why the positions overlap. The key difference is the underlying hatred for Canada. Nycole Turmel was a part of the party that hates Canada just a few months ago, no matter how you try to spin it. You are just lumping your vision of Canada under "federalism" and claiming that anything that deviates from that definition is anti-federalist and anti-Canada. Canada is not simply your definition of federalism.

Exactly....or if you don't support the NPD vision of a centrally planned socialist state...where the jurisdictions and rights of the provinces to manage their constitutionally protected rights, you are a separatist..

[punked]

The Bloc wanted to separate from Canada OR at least receive more autonomy. Conservatives want provinces to have more autonomy to create a better Canada. That is why the positions overlap. The key difference is the underlying hatred for Canada. Nycole Turmel was a part of the party that hates Canada just a few months ago, no matter how you try to spin it. You are just lumping your vision of Canada under "federalism" and claiming that anything that deviates from that definition is anti-federalist and anti-Canada. Canada is not simply your definition of federalism.

Yah she was part of the branch that hates Canada not the Conservative one that loves Canada. Got it. Yep you really fine tuned that argument you have with no support. Keep it up.

BTW it isn't "My version of Federalism"it is the one which is enshrined in the Constitution. Which you and the Bloc clearly hate. Have fun with your knew party. I will stay with the party that talked about Quebec joining the Constitution and the ROC, you can keep with your party that hates Federalism.

[cybercoma]

punked, I have no idea why you keep replying to these people. You have made a clear, rational argument and have been met with, "You're stupid and wrong!" as a retort. It's actually pretty embarrassing.

[punked]

punked, I have no idea why you keep replying to these people. You have made a clear, rational argument and have been met with, "You're stupid and wrong!" as a retort. It's actually pretty embarrassing.

I just keep hoping there will be this realization that people who are and once were in the Bloc aren't Monsters but are Canadians who have many different reasons for supporting that party many of which Conservatives agree with. It is quite apparent that isn't going to happen and that some people don't even understand what Federalism is in Canada. It is sad.

[M.Dancer]

punked, I have no idea why you keep replying to these people. You have made a clear, rational argument and have been met with, "You're stupid and wrong!" as a retort. It's actually pretty embarrassing.

Ummm....the only person who has been hurling insults is Punked....which leads me to believe you don't read the posts very carefully..which is pretty embarrassing for you

[M.Dancer]

punked, I have no idea why you keep replying to these people. You have made a clear, rational argument and have been met with, "You're stupid and wrong!" as a retort. It's actually pretty embarrassing.

stupid ignorant

Talking about ignorant Conservatives here is one right now.

and you are truly ignorant to the government of the country you live in. You are a Conservative after all right?

WOW how ignorant are you?

Wow Conservatives are ignorant.

Don't you feel....one sided?

[punked]

Don't you feel....one sided?

When you speak of things you clearly know nothing about and have to be continuously corrected you are ignorant. I am sorry I did not sugar coat it, next time I will remember you don't like being called what you are.

[M.Dancer]

When you speak of things you clearly know nothing about and have to be continuously corrected you are ignorant. I am sorry I did not sugar coat it, next time I will remember you don't like being called what you are.

And what am I ..exactly?

[punked]

And what am I ..exactly?

Ignorant of our country, what Federalism, and what the Constitution says.

[cybercoma]

Ummm....the only person who has been hurling insults is Punked....which leads me to believe you don't read the posts very carefully..which is pretty embarrassing for you

You've both been hurling insults, but at least his/hers were accompanied by something resembling an argument, complete with citations.

Edited August 11, 2011 by cybercoma

[Evening Star]

extreme provincial seperatist party

QS are sovereigntists but are certainly not 'extreme' in their separatism, less so than the PQ, probably. Extremely left-leaning by the standards of the current mainstream Canadian political context, maybe.

[CPCFTW]

You've both been hurling insults, but at least his/hers were accompanied by something resembling an argument that I agree with, complete with citations.

I went ahead and fixed that post for you. You're welcome.

[Oleg Bach]

Basically if you don't believe in grandiose central planning of socialist ideals, then you are not a federalist and hate Canada. You see, the provinces signed a document, and no matter how that document is interpreted, or how poorly it is implemented, you hate Canada just like the separatists if you don't agree to centrally planned communism.

If I wanted to be a communist I in my early youth would have joined one of those hippy communes...or converted to Judaism and joine a kabutz. Lebel is a fanatic. All those that read Carl Marx in their youth and never got past that are stunted fools.