The Real Deal on Crime

[Chippewa]

Yep, TIC for sure. And no, I didn't chuckle when Stockwell Day made his pronouncements, I just shook my head in sadness.

But if you have any data that shows why crime statistics from 1962 should be relevant, then please, do share. And if you have any more data showing the unreported crime rate from the 1960's, please bring that too. I'd love to see it.

Nobody wants to see that prison rate. Its mostly all First Nations. Most of them went straight from Residential School, to Prison. Thats what the system was really set up for.

[Uncle 3 dogs]

Great post, Keepitsimple, it's a great refutations of the lies we've seen advanced from the mainstream media trying to tell us that everything is fine and dandy, as well as their loyal apparatchiks in this forum (dre, cybercoma and jacee both come to mind). Are we going to get a revision of their comments in this thread attacking Harper's intention to spend more on new prison construction?

How is that supposed to help with unreported crimes?

[CitizenX]

You can’t solve a problem until find the root of the problem.

"Stop looking for solutions to problems and start looking for the right path."- Andy Stanley

"Most people spend more time and energy going around problems than in trying to solve them." -Henry Ford

Child maltreatment, which includes both child abuse and child neglect, is a major social problem. Crime is one of the most socially costly potential outcomes of child maltreatment.

Information:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT4tzwH_K8M

Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE)Study

http://acestudy.org/

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

the ACE Study is perhaps the largest scientific research study of its kind, analyzing the relationship between multiple categories of childhood trauma (ACEs), and health and behavioral outcomes later in life.

another study and links to video's

Does Child Abuse Cause Crime? Public Policies and Child Well-Being Conference

In 1983, the US Department of Health and Human Services found that 60% of child abuse is inflicted by mothers with sole custody of their children. Almost all of the rest comes from other members of her entourage, especially boyfriends and second husbands.

One factor which overwhelms all of the others is fatherlessness. The link between fatherlessness and crime is so strong that controlling for family configuration erases the relationship between race and crime and between low income and crime », as Barbara Defoe Whitehead notes in her famous article from Atlantic Monthly

Consider these facts: 

• 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (U.S. Center for Disease Control);

• 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes (U.S. Bureau of the Census);

• 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978);

• 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988); 

• 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992).

 

In fact, you can pick a social ill at random and you will find that the correlation with fatherlessness is clear and direct. Depression. Suicide. Dropping out of school. Teenage pregnancy. Drug use. In sum, fatherless children are: 

• 5 times more likely to commit suicide;

• 32 times more likely to run away;

• 20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders;

• 14 times more likely to commit rape;

• 9 times more likely to drop out of high school;

• 10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances;

• 9 times more likely to end up in a mental institution;

• 20 times more likely to end up in prison(1).

I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent......Mahatma Gandhi

You must be the change you want to see in the world.....Mahatma Gandhi

Edited August 4, 2011 by CitizenX

[Shwa]

You can’t solve a problem until find the root of the problem....

Is this all relevant to Canada or do you have statistics and videos and stuff relating to Canada too?

[treehugger]

I find it interesting that Alberta has one of the highest crime rates in the country. Being, you know, the most conservative province and all.

The city that was picked as the highest crime rate in Canada was Edmonton. I was shocked to read that but it is certain crimes. (no longer have the article)

[CitizenX]

Is this all relevant to Canada or do you have statistics and videos and stuff relating to Canada too?

It's much easier to find stats on this subject in the US, but I believe this is a North American (Canadian/American) Problem and most likely globally applicable.

[bush_cheney2004]

Is this all relevant to Canada or do you have statistics and videos and stuff relating to Canada too?

LOL! You're singing my song Bro....why the hell is it so hard to find such data "relating to Canada". What's the big goddamn secret!

No wonder so many use American data as a proxy.

[CitizenX]

LOL! You're singing my song Bro....why the hell is it so hard to find such data "relating to Canada". What's the big goddamn secret!

No wonder so many use American data as a proxy.

There is more research done in America, no "big goddamn secret!".

[bush_cheney2004]

There is more research done in America, no "big goddamn secret!".

Not only is there more, it's a lot easier to find too. Relevance to Canada remains questionable, but what the hell, Google and Bing are free!

[CitizenX]

Not only is there more, it's a lot easier to find too. Relevance to Canada remains questionable, but what the hell, Google and Bing are free!

Your ignorance and narrow mindedness astounds me. I'm starting to believe this really is George Bush. If you have a problem with the theory that's fine use your big words and debunk it. Or come up with your own.

[bush_cheney2004]

Your ignorance and narrow mindedness astounds me. I'm starting to believe this really is George Bush. If you have a problem with the theory that's fine use your big words and debunk it. Or come up with your own.

We already have our own....it's you that is coming up short. Like another member said, try to find some data for Canada if you can, instead parroting back more Amerikanski monkey see monkey do information. Hell, the Americans even gave you HTML browsers, indexed search engines, and The Internet...learn how to use them!

Edited August 5, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[Shwa]

It's much easier to find stats on this subject in the US, but I believe this is a North American (Canadian/American) Problem and most likely globally applicable.

Let's apply your own sentiment to this statement:

"Most people spend more time and energy going around problems than in trying to solve them." -Henry Ford

You believe that "is a North American (Canadian/American)Problem" so do you have to some relevant Canadian data you can cite to show how this is - or could be - a North American problem?

Because you can't sit back and say "it's much easier" when there could be some very different values resulting is some very different outcomes. Eh?

[Scotty]

We already have our own....it's you that is coming up short. Like another member said, try to find some data for Canada if you can, instead parroting back more Amerikanski monkey see monkey do information. Hell, the Americans even gave you HTML browsers, indexed search engines, and The Internet...learn how to use them!

You make it very easy to hate Americans.

[CitizenX]

You believe that "is a North American (Canadian/American)Problem" so do you have to some relevant Canadian data you can cite to show how this is - or could be - a North American problem?

Because you can't sit back and say "it's much easier" when there could be some very different values resulting is some very different outcomes. Eh?

Yes I believe. I didn't say I had a degree in criminal sociology. I simply proposed a theory that I believe in. I even included as much information on the subject that I could found online, so people could explore this idea on their own. If people find the concept thought provoking maybe they watch the video, and or read the studies. After which maybe they can comment on the subject, where they agree, where they disagree, and any concerns they have with the studies relevance to Canada. I'm pretty sure you didn't look into it at all, you just saw that most of the research was from the states and said "no got nothing to do with us". Yes I think it's a North America problem. I'm comparing Canada and America in values, and socioeconomic factors. I'm not comparing America and North Korea.

One of the factors in the theory was fatherlessness.

Canada

First marriages have about a 50% chance of ending in divorce , that risk becomes greater with each successive marriage (about 72% for second, and about 85% for third marriages).

America

The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%

The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%

The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73%

Canada seems to be worse than the States on this one.

[Oleg Bach]

This is why we need cops and or soldiers on every corner.

Forget the soldiers - this is not some third world shit hole - yet. Cops are OUR standing army - Every citizen should understand that cops are their protectors and servants - cops must be treated with full respect and kindness - forget the courts - cops are usually more just...they are OURS....cop haters are barbaric fools.

[guyser]

You make it very easy to hate Americans.

Only if you start out with that sentiment.

[Shwa]

Yes I believe. I didn't say I had a degree in criminal sociology.

No one is asking you to produce a degree, just some relevant data. Nice attempt at a dodge though.

I simply proposed a theory that I believe in.

Then be make at least an honest attempt to be relevant.

I even included as much information on the subject that I could found online, so people could explore this idea on their own. If people find the concept thought provoking maybe they watch the video, and or read the studies. After which maybe they can comment on the subject, where they agree, where they disagree, and any concerns they have with the studies relevance to Canada. I'm pretty sure you didn't look into it at all, you just saw that most of the research was from the states and said "no got nothing to do with us". Yes I think it's a North America problem. I'm comparing Canada and America in values, and socioeconomic factors. I'm not comparing America and North Korea.

Dodge.

No, you are NOT "comparing Canada and America in values" because you provide no comparative data. You are equating Canada and the US in values and I am telling you, that unless you can provide some Canadian data, your beliefs are completely unfounded and no better than pulling something outta yer arse. I understand you have an opinion, good for you, but it doesn't sound like an informed opinion that is relevant to Canada. Let me give you an example:

One of the factors in the theory was fatherlessness.

Canada

First marriages have about a 50% chance of ending in divorce , that risk becomes greater with each successive marriage (about 72% for second, and about 85% for third marriages).

America

The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%

The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%

The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73%

Canada seems to be worse than the States on this one.

Why on earth would you equate divorce rates with "fatherlessness" rates?

[CitizenX]

Every citizen should understand that cops are their protectors and servants - cops must be treated with full respect and kindness - forget the courts - cops are usually more just...they are OURS....cop haters are barbaric fools.

I have to disagree with you on this Oleg Bach. I'm not a cop hater but I believe that the police abuse their power on a regular basis. The only reason it has become more evident recently is because of You Tube. You Tube will go down in history as one of the greatest social justice devices. I could list a shit load of examples for you, but for now I will use the G20.

[bush_cheney2004]

You make it very easy to hate Americans.

I'm pretty sure you would hate them anyway...especially if they were immigrants!