Remiel Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 I find it ironic that an ideology that was hammering on Europe's door via non-stop warfare for centuries was suddenly allowed in like it was a brand new day. Europe: Forgive and forget, eh lads? Islam: Yeah, sure...whatever. Which way to the fertilizer store? You have it backwards. Europe made it into the Middle East before the Middle East made it into Europe. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Neever mind, that despite what the Islamists wish and some other fear, Western civilization is not about to disappear - not from Islamisation anyway.. As we witnessed in Norway, western civilization is in a state of auto-cannibalism. Between western debt..and the mission creep of exceptable crimminality...along with the promotion of sexual and idealogical ammoralty..we are on our way out...Once an army tosses disipline out the window...the more disaplined and orgainzed force takes over with ease. We have no rules or conduct of behaviour - Islamist do...it puts us at a severe disadvantage. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 You have it backwards. Europe made it into the Middle East before the Middle East made it into Europe. The Levant was the heartland of 'Christendom' until Islam invaded. Before that Roman...before that Greek...before that Ancient Persia. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Remiel Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) The Levant was the heartland of 'Christendom' until Islam invaded. Before that Roman...before that Greek...before that Ancient Persia. I am talking about more recent history. I do not think it would strain logic to suggest that Muslim immigration to Europe began in earnest when those Muslims were in fact moving within various European empires, i.e. Algerians and Lebanese moving into France, Egyptians and Palestinians into Britain, et cetera. That is what normalized emigration. Edit: And the Levant was never the heartland of Christianity. The heart, but not the heartland. Heartland is more a geographic term, I would argue, and the Middle East is on the fringes. Edited July 31, 2011 by Remiel Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 I am talking about more recent history. I wasn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Belgrade_(1456) ...etc. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 The Levant was the heartland of 'Christendom' until Islam invaded. Before that Roman...before that Greek...before that Ancient Persia. Why do the Islamics ignore what is in their Koran - Jesus the Christ is mentioned - so is Abraham ---how come they only show respect for parts of their holy book and not for all of it ...Why even mention Jesus as a primary great profit if you are not going to bother with what he teaches - Just like todays Christians and Muslims and Jews - they cherry pick and make what is holy poitical. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Edit: And the Levant was never the heartland of Christianity. The heart, but not the heartland. Heartland is more a geographic term, I would argue, and the Middle East is on the fringes. Your definition isn't my definition, oddly enough. I know you're used to thinking it, but you're not always right. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Remiel Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Your definition isn't my definition, oddly enough. I know you're used to thinking it, but you're not always right. Well, I may have been mistaken to say " never " , but by the time of the founding of Islam, was Rome not more properly where the " action " in Christendom happened? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Well, I may have been mistaken to say " never " , but by the time of the founding of Islam, was Rome not more properly where the " action " in Christendom happened? Rome was a focus of history long before the Holy See. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bob Posted July 31, 2011 Author Report Posted July 31, 2011 I find it ironic that an ideology that was hammering on Europe's door via non-stop warfare for centuries was suddenly allowed in like it was a brand new day. Europe: Forgive and forget, eh lads? Islam: Yeah, sure...whatever. Which way to the fertilizer store? It's historical ignorance, for the most part. I am quite certain over 90% of Canadians are unfamiliar with basics of this episode of Christian/Islamic history (myself included, until I looked into it for myself). And when presented with the facts, there's likely to be more excuse-making in order to stay obedient to the doctrine of political correctness - where no culture or society can be put above another. In other words, the Muslims must've had good reasons to engage on their offensive... or, Islamism is somehow magically different today than it was a few centuries ago (hint - it isn't). Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 I don't think it has changed at all, frankly. Its mission as an ideolgy is quite clear...even the word 'Islam' says it. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Remiel Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 I have a question for you guys: historically, who is better at killing Christians: Muslims; or Christians? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 I have a question for you guys: historically, who is better at killing Christians: Muslims; or Christians? Depends what battle. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Remiel Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Depends what battle. Think big picture. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Think big picture. Treblinka wasn't the biggest or the 'killiest' of the Death Camps; but, I wouldn't want to have been sent there for any reason. Smoke that in context of your big picture. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Remiel Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Treblinka wasn't the biggest or the 'killiest' of the Death Camps; but, I wouldn't want to have been sent there for any reason. Smoke that in context of your big picture. What does this have to do with Christians and Muslims killing Christians? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 What does this have to do with Christians and Muslims killing Christians? Everything. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Remiel Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Everything. Explain. The article on it suggests Treblinka was mostly Jews and some Roma. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Explain. The article on it suggests Treblinka was mostly Jews and some Roma. But it was no Auschwitz, by golly. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Remiel Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 But it was no Auschwitz, by golly. Is your argument that it is irrelevant that Muslims suck at killing Christians compared to Christians? Quote
Jack Weber Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Is your argument that it is irrelevant that Muslims suck at killing Christians compared to Christians? The arguement is a shitehole is still a shitehole and mass killing is mass killing.. Who is better at it is irrelevent... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Is your argument that it is irrelevant that Muslims suck at killing Christians compared to Christians? You, dear poster, are the one with an 'arguement'. I have a question for you guys: historically, who is better at killing Christians: Muslims; or Christians? My point is simple: It sucked to be a member of the 7th Cav in 1876. It sucked to me a member of the 6th Army in 1942. It sucked to be a Turkish sailor at Lepanto in 1571. It sucked to be at the point of Umar's scimitar in 630. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Remiel Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 The arguement is a shitehole is still a shitehole and mass killing is mass killing.. Who is better at it is irrelevent... Yes, but that is only half the argument. We have two holy books: The New Testament, and the Koran (whatever spelling you fancy). As much as it can be argued that the Koran says, " Conquer the infidels, " the New Testament can be argued to say, " Stop killing one another " . Bob and DogOnPorch argue that it is necessarily the case that Muslims all want to " Conquer the infidel, " yet I argue that Christians were better at that than the Muslims ever were, despite the fact that the New Testament says the complete opposite. Thusly, I argue that there premise is flawed: the politics of the faithful is not at the mercy of their religion. Quote
Jack Weber Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Yes, but that is only half the argument. We have two holy books: The New Testament, and the Koran (whatever spelling you fancy). As much as it can be argued that the Koran says, " Conquer the infidels, " the New Testament can be argued to say, " Stop killing one another " . Bob and DogOnPorch argue that it is necessarily the case that Muslims all want to " Conquer the infidel, " yet I argue that Christians were better at that than the Muslims ever were, despite the fact that the New Testament says the complete opposite. Thusly, I argue that there premise is flawed: the politics of the faithful is not at the mercy of their religion. Is your point that Islam has not gone through a bloody,yet historically necessary,struggle like the Protestant Reformation?? If so,I agree... But that cannot be brought on by us.It has to happen internally,from sane Muslims who don't want to have the crazies speaking for them... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2011 Report Posted July 31, 2011 Yes, but that is only half the argument. We have two holy books: The New Testament, and the Koran (whatever spelling you fancy). As much as it can be argued that the Koran says, " Conquer the infidels, " the New Testament can be argued to say, " Stop killing one another " . Bob and DogOnPorch argue that it is necessarily the case that Muslims all want to " Conquer the infidel, " yet I argue that Christians were better at that than the Muslims ever were, despite the fact that the New Testament says the complete opposite. Thusly, I argue that there premise is flawed: the politics of the faithful is not at the mercy of their religion. I'm an atheist. I don't give a rat's rear about your silly Bible. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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