Phil Fontaine Liberal Leader?

[capricorn]

The $6 billion of the total $14 billion AANA budget is actually Indian monies in the first place.

What is AANA?

The government manages a $2trillion First Nations trust that is earning compounded interest at a rate of $35 billion annually. That means that the remaining $29 billion they earn in interest is added to the trust which by 2020 will have added another $1 trillion to the account.

BTW the First Nations trust account does not include monies that will be paid by way of land claims or other settlement for loss of use. It is that actual amount owing today. If we were to add lands claims it is quite possible our total debt to First Nations could exceed $75 trillion.

Since you ventured away from the original discussion about Fontaine's leadership capabilities, First Nations have had access to gobs of federal cash thrown at them over the last 40 or 50 years. The flow of funds continues unabated. With all those funds at their disposal, how come the problems on First Nations communities have not yet been resolved? Could it be that over those decades <gulp> there has been misappropriation of monies at the highest levels of First Nations administrations? Say it isn't so.

[Newfoundlander]

AANA - Aboriginal and Northern Affairs.

[capricorn]

AANA - Aboriginal and Northern Affairs.

That does not come out as AANA.

The department that had been called “Indian Affairs” since before Confederation has been rebranded as “Aboriginal Affairs.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/aboriginal-affairs-a-new-name-with-an-uncertain-meaning/article2026696/

[capricorn]

You're saying that "And" has been included in the acronym.

Aboriginal and Northern Affairs. AANA. That's a first.

Edited July 19, 2011 by capricorn

[Newfoundlander]

In Newfoundland and Labrador we have the Department of Labrador and Aboriginal Affairs and the acronym is LAA.

[charter.rights]

What is AANA?

Since you ventured away from the original discussion about Fontaine's leadership capabilities, First Nations have had access to gobs of federal cash thrown at them over the last 40 or 50 years. The flow of funds continues unabated. With all those funds at their disposal, how come the problems on First Nations communities have not yet been resolved? Could it be that over those decades <gulp> there has been misappropriation of monies at the highest levels of First Nations administrations? Say it isn't so.

First Nations don't receive the money to spend where it is needed. It is spent on programs directed by Aboriginal Affairs and requires the work to be completed before any cheques are cut.

The funding transfers that are deliver to FN are terribly under funded in every sector and so First Nations often have a difficult time just managing basic needs.

Those funds are their own monies.

[Smallc]

First Nations don't receive the money to spend where it is needed.

That isn't true. I deal with this money every day.

Edited July 19, 2011 by Smallc

[charter.rights]

That isn't true. I deal with this money every day.

Sheila Fraser in her final Auditor Generals report wrote that the government does not provide funding in the areas that are needed to lift First Nations out of poverty. Clean water, mould-free housing and education are just some of the sectors that the government has ignored or minimized in funding strategies.

Yes it is true. The Auditor General said so....and she was looking at the government's books and procedures on an on-going basis. I would trust her word over yours.

Edited July 19, 2011 by charter.rights

[Smallc]

That's it. I'm one feeding.

Edited July 19, 2011 by Smallc

[charter.rights]

That's it. I'm one feeding.

You're just well done and past your prime. And wrong.

Edited July 19, 2011 by charter.rights

[g_bambino]

$2 trillion is cash you say?

Oh, he says. And says, and says, and says. Oddly, though, not one, single shred of evidence of the existence of this fund. None.

[Chippewa]

Oh, he says. And says, and says, and says. Oddly, though, not one, single shred of evidence of the existence of this fund. None.

Most wouldn't have any access to these Trust Accounts. But it has funded all the Terrorist Activity and Bombings for the Canadian Military such as in Afgahnistan, and Iraq. Canada would never give credit to First Nations for using there money to support Terroist Activitys around the world. The amount on these accounts are into the Trillions. The economic Terrorism has been such to ensure that First Nations don't get access to there money to build healthy environments or clean water.

Phil Fontaine was just a puppet boy for the Liberal Party. He sold out all of the First Nations people by selling them out with that Residential School Payments, for the Genocide, and Canadian Haulocast First Nations had to endure. Fontaine was so bad, his Truth and Reconcilation Committee didn't even have the Church involved, and there was no process to ensure that the Church and Government were accountable. The Committee just sat you in a room to listen to some politician who doesn't give a crap.

The Liberal Party couldn't have picked a better sellout to bring to the forefront. Fontaine denied allegations he was involved with the Liberals and now his lie is staring him straight in the face. This guy doesnt care about First Nations and there Treaty rights, which is why it is a smart move on part of the Liberal Party.

[g_bambino]

Most wouldn't have any access to these Trust Accounts.

Access to the accounts isn't at issue. It's proof of the existence of the accounts that is. Apparently, you don't have any, either.

[+]

Edited July 19, 2011 by g_bambino

[fellowtraveller]

Those funds are their own monies.

charter rights apparently cannot find a link that would substantiate his claim that the government of Canada is sitting on a $2 trillion cash trust for First Nations, soon to be $75 trillion.

Maybe Chippewa knows where the money is hidden.

Link.

Link.

Link.

[Chippewa]

charter rights apparently cannot find a link that would substantiate his claim that the government of Canada is sitting on a $2 trillion cash trust for First Nations, soon to be $75 trillion.

Maybe Chippewa knows where the money is hidden.

Link.

Link.

Link.

Its Held in trust by the government. The government took first Nations money in alot of situations from sales of resources, and put them into trust accounts. If the Indians ever made any revenue, it was put into a revenue account a seperate account, and that revenue account could be spent on reserve.

The government likely owes alot more, because of resource and land sales. THey were never put into the trust accounts. The Trust Accounts were set up so that the Government could use it as a slush fund in most cases, which is why a lot of them never built up.

The money is hidden in the walls of the Canadian Schools, the Armed Forces, Immigration, and Big Cities.

[fellowtraveller]

The money is hidden in the walls of the Canadian Schools, the Armed Forces, Immigration, and Big Cities.

Finally, an answer.

I bet the fire insurance for those buildings is expensive, but all that paper must make for good insulation and a toasty interior.

[charter.rights]

Its Held in trust by the government. The government took first Nations money in alot of situations from sales of resources, and put them into trust accounts. If the Indians ever made any revenue, it was put into a revenue account a seperate account, and that revenue account could be spent on reserve.

The government likely owes alot more, because of resource and land sales. THey were never put into the trust accounts. The Trust Accounts were set up so that the Government could use it as a slush fund in most cases, which is why a lot of them never built up.

The money is hidden in the walls of the Canadian Schools, the Armed Forces, Immigration, and Big Cities.

And Osgoode Hall.

Six nations trust money was specifically used to build Osgoode Hall and it has never been paid back.

[g_bambino]

Still waiting for that proof...

[Oleg Bach]

The Indian Act

1961: Amended to end the compulsory "enfranchisement" of men or bands.

So the compulsory enfranchisement was ended in the early 60s, and alot of those cases have been overturned. First Nations have Aboriginal and Treaty Rights which Canadians don't.

A First Nations person has every right to be PM, since this there original territory, and country. Most treatys were never done with a country called Canada, and when Britin left and abandoned those treaties, some would argue that everything would go back to First Nations. Is Canada a country or a corporation?

If you read some of the treatys, none of them are ever written in any Native Language to the Territory, and letters sent to the Crown contridict what most of the Treaties say. I would think that most are invalid, and be ruled that way in an international court system.

Article 15 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, United Nations.

1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.

2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Don't listen to the UN - they do not adhere to their own charter - YOU can be a national family and in the process of being genocided and they merely find it interesting as they sit by and write a long and tedious report.

[Chippewa]

Access to the accounts isn't at issue. It's proof of the existence of the accounts that is. Apparently, you don't have any, either.

[+]

Most of these moneys have been expended on Canada and the 32 million Immigrants they support.

If you want to find an account. Simply look for a Treaty, then find the Land Sales "Which is none", Resource Sales "none", or talk of placing Canada on their Territory "None".

I will give you a Trust Account that should exist. "Long Woods Tract" or otherwise known as a land claim. First Nations own 29000 acres of land around London, Ontario from 1833. The problem is, that the Government Stole, Sold, and Laundered the Land, and with accumulated interest, loss of use. That account should have about 1 Billion dollars added into a Trust Account. So the fact the government doesn't put the money into our accounts, doesnt discount the fact, they still owe money for Land Sales of Stolen Property, or money that should be there.

Another Account that should exist, but doesn't, is called the "Big Bear Creek Claim". See the problem is that the government calls our Trust Accounts non existant, but when they sold off land that they had no right to sell, the government also stole not only the Land, but the Money that came with it. So it is really a double theft on part of the government. The Government thought if they spent the money, and denied the trust account existance, that every thing would check out o.k for them.

[g_bambino]

Most of these moneys have been expended on Canada and the 32 million Immigrants they support.

I other words: you know it exists but have zero proof of its existence.

[jacee]

I other words: you know it exists but have zero proof of its existence.

In land claims, the burden of proof is on us (our government) to show evidence that the terms of 'purchase' were fulfilled - ie, that money changed hands. Kind of explains why politicians just stall and run and hide from it. If we're ever to resolve these issues, we have to be very clear with our government that we want them to negotiate efficiently and in good faith.

Chippewa, Britain did not abandon the treaties. They became Canada's responsibility and still are.

[Chippewa]

I other words: you know it exists but have zero proof of its existence.

You missed the point.

We have all the proof it exists. But the government spent the money over the years, and sold the land to "canadians". How they spent the money is another issue. When I made the point our Trust Money is sitting inside the walls of the Canadian Schools, Roads, Immigration, Big Cities. I wasn't lying about the fact they used First Nations money to build the country Canada.

So you again are wrong.

All the proof you need, is in the Canadian archieves. Other then that, id bet you would be hard pressed to gain access to a Land Claims negotiating document.

Edited July 21, 2011 by Chippewa

[charter.rights]

Most of these moneys have been expended on Canada and the 32 million Immigrants they support.

If you want to find an account. Simply look for a Treaty, then find the Land Sales "Which is none", Resource Sales "none", or talk of placing Canada on their Territory "None".

I will give you a Trust Account that should exist. "Long Woods Tract" or otherwise known as a land claim. First Nations own 29000 acres of land around London, Ontario from 1833. The problem is, that the Government Stole, Sold, and Laundered the Land, and with accumulated interest, loss of use. That account should have about 1 Billion dollars added into a Trust Account. So the fact the government doesn't put the money into our accounts, doesnt discount the fact, they still owe money for Land Sales of Stolen Property, or money that should be there.

Another Account that should exist, but doesn't, is called the "Big Bear Creek Claim". See the problem is that the government calls our Trust Accounts non existant, but when they sold off land that they had no right to sell, the government also stole not only the Land, but the Money that came with it. So it is really a double theft on part of the government. The Government thought if they spent the money, and denied the trust account existance, that every thing would check out o.k for them.

The Long Woods Purchase occurred about the same time as the Welland Canal lands were flooded so we have a fairly accurate value of land in 1829 at $5.50 per acre. The land would have been worth roughly $1,595,000 in 1829. With compound interests paid on the trust as per the order in Council from 1829 onward the value of the trust on those lands would come in at $500 billion.

Edited July 21, 2011 by charter.rights

[Chippewa]

The Long Woods Purchase occurred about the same time as the Welland Canal lands were flooded so we have a fairly accurate value of land in 1829 at $5.50 per acre. The land would have been worth roughly $1,595,000 in 1829. With compound interests paid on the trust as per the order in Council from 1829 onward the value of the trust on those lands would come in at $500 billion.

Long woods tract, included another 29000 acres, that was never sold, and was "added" into the final sales. The government either didn't know about the extra 29000 acres or they simply stole the property.

A land claim was finished a few years back, and the government settled with CHippewa for 5 million dollars for 190 acres. Each acre was valued at 26000 plus change. So 29000 acres, at 26000 per acre, "Established in 1992", the claim would be worth 760,000,000 million. The actually value, is into the billions with compound interest.