The Theft Of Aboriginal Identity.

[Oleg Bach]

If you do not know who you are or where you came from you are pretty much lost and in a state of state induced amnesia. Recently I was watching the Ethiopian Christians marching to Sunday service. These people are in order - they have communal power through their religion - plus they have a firm identity through orgainized ancient Christian belief.

Later as I continued to watch as my dogs crapped in the park that has a sign "no dogs" - I saw a tall and stately looking "Indian" - He was barking out non-sense to the passing worshippers. They ignored him - not even knowing was a displaced and lost aboriginal was..I am not sure what they thought of this freak that was lost in time and space on a busy urban street corner. Later as I went to get coffee - I ran into the kingly looking native..He stared me in the face with intense hate - He was no ordinary man - genetically he appeared to be some sort of super human creature...It was intimitdating as we attempted to extort a quarter out of me.

I told him I would give him something after I was done in the store..by the time I got out - this old chief was gone - gone to wander...the last thing he said to me as "Manitoba" - It got me thinking - In Quebec they are attempting to remove any religious identity that might be contained in day care kids. Have they forgotten what residential schools did to our native population in these regards? That the attempted Christianization of aboriginals had the same effect as the secularization of todays kids...to enforce atheism on children will have the same out come that enforced Christianity had on the natives. It is worrisome that he are doomed to repeat our mistakes.

[Oleg Bach]

Continued: Having a good eye for human constitution - I realize that most conquered people after a generation or so - forget totally who they are. I see it every where - some of the best people at the bottom in a confused state - and some of the worst who like slime and not cream have risen to the top. This noble native I described has had his cultural memory wipped clean - He will never recover - he will die on the street. It's a shame that we are so prejudice towards what we consider poor and unsavory. Our salvation as the human race might be dependent on the restoration of our best - but sadly it will not happen and we will continue to degrade...Like aboriginal residential schools "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" - as is the new up coming Quebec policy on early childhood learning through day care indoctrination. I am sure the authorities mean well...and as socialist they believe "all war is cause by religion" ...

The truth might be that all war is cause by the removal of human identiy and the panic that results for being lost.

[Moonlight Graham]

Later as I continued to watch as my dogs crapped in the park that has a sign "no dogs"

lol!

That the attempted Christianization of aboriginals had the same effect as the secularization of todays kids...to enforce atheism on children will have the same out come that enforced Christianity had on the natives. It is worrisome that he are doomed to repeat our mistakes.

Being secular is completely different than espousing atheism. Let the parents do the religious stuff, or set up a "Christian" daycare. If you raised your kids to be Catholic, i'd bet you'd be mighty PO'd if their daycare was teaching them to believe in Hinduism.

[Oleg Bach]

lol!

Being secular is completely different than espousing atheism. Let the parents do the religious stuff, or set up a "Christian" daycare. If you raised your kids to be Catholic, i'd bet you'd be mighty PO'd if their daycare was teaching them to believe in Hinduism.

The native culture had God - a creator..they had tradtion - ceremony....jack ass missionary types attempted to give them a superiour belief system..a fatal form of false Christianity...I am sure Jesus would have said to Catholic priests back in 1930 to "leave the kids alone" -

I believe my point is that religion - tradition grants identiy. To create a day care system that avoids religion...and acts against the will of the parents is EXACTLY like the residential school tragedy of the not so distant past. Who thinks of these things? Who is so sure that if you avoid religion you will have a better future society? It's a damned experiment...run by bureacrats that actually theorize that they are smarter than natural parents. Also - day care is not a freedom - it is enslavement...when eccentric feminism teamed up with the banking system - they enslaved woman and children under the guise of freedom.

As for Hinduism - it is an utter failure - look at the sub-continent of India - eternal strife and poverty...Where as real Christian doctrine creates peace and prosperity....real Christian thought is the most evolved and intelligent...BUT most fundamentalists and secular atheists never quite grasped the real idea that Jesus exposed.

[Moonlight Graham]

As for Hinduism - it is an utter failure - look at the sub-continent of India - eternal strife and poverty...Where as real Christian doctrine creates peace and prosperity....real Christian thought is the most evolved and intelligent...BUT most fundamentalists and secular atheists never quite grasped the real idea that Jesus exposed.

You're saying Hinduism is responsible for the poverty/violence in/around India? I'm sure British imperialism had NOTHING to do with that, right?

Also, Gandhi was a Hindu, and he acted more closely to the teachings of Jesus Christ than most Christians ever have.

[treehugger]

You're saying Hinduism is responsible for the poverty/violence in/around India? I'm sure British imperialism had NOTHING to do with that, right?

Also, Gandhi was a Hindu, and he acted more closely to the teachings of Jesus Christ than most Christians ever have.

Maybe it's the classes that Hindus divide their people into. The low caste will never get work and they live in extreme poverty

[jacee]

....jack ass missionary types attempted to give them a superiour belief system..a fatal form of false Christianity...

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...Where as real Christian doctrine creates peace and prosperity....real Christian thought is the most evolved and intelligent...

There's a contradiction in these statements, and who decides who the 'real Christians' are?

I don't really care, but your statements betray the sense of 'superiority' that, in my opinion, all religions imbue their members with. In reality, I think religion is a tool created and used by the global corporate oligarchy to divide people and conquer their human spirit, and to subjugate them in service to the greed of the powerful corporate sociopaths.

I agree with moonlight graham that removing religion from daycares is not the same as indoctrinating the kids in atheism: It's simply a non-religious approach to child care. Also, I can be vehemently opposed to all organized corporate religions and still believe in god(s) or goddess(es).

Let me go even further and say that imo there is no 'superior' religion or belief system, and any such claims are dangerous and intentional subversions of the human spirit to serve inhumane purposes.

It's possible that I'm wrong, but consider this: Is our purpose here on earth to conquer the spirits of people not like us and bend them to our will- the 'one true will' - or is it to learn to live together in mutual respect?

[Wild Bill]

You're saying Hinduism is responsible for the poverty/violence in/around India? I'm sure British imperialism had NOTHING to do with that, right?

Also, Gandhi was a Hindu, and he acted more closely to the teachings of Jesus Christ than most Christians ever have.

I think you have it backwards, MG! Is it your premise that Indians were rich until the British came and only then became poor?

If you investigate your history you'll find that India was a cesspool of poverty for centuries, with only a small privileged caste. If anything, the conditions of the poor and lower castes IMPROVED under British rule!

Moreover, when Britain granted India independence and pulled out the country fell into a mess that took over 50 years to get over! Thanks to their traditional culture nothing in India ever worked! The phones and utilities were always breaking down and taking forever to get fixed. Trains rarely ran on time. Ferry boats were always allowed to sail grossly overloaded, leading to frequent tragedies.

Forgive my poor memory for the errors in my Kipling but we can sum things up with "All account of doing things rather more or less!" That Presbyterian British work ethic made doing things well and proper more important than the caste in which you were born. It gave the common man opportunities for advancement in Georgian and Victorian Britain. We all saw first hand how well the Indian system worked when they were on their own.

It is only recently that India has largely gotten past these troubles and only by becoming more egalitarian. Meanwhile, countries like our own Canada benefited for the past 30-40 years by accepting many immigrants who found no opportunity under the Indian system.

Edited June 16, 2011 by Wild Bill

[Oleg Bach]

You're saying Hinduism is responsible for the poverty/violence in/around India? I'm sure British imperialism had NOTHING to do with that, right?

Also, Gandhi was a Hindu, and he acted more closely to the teachings of Jesus Christ than most Christians ever have.

The British with their Christain based thinking keep India above water. Whether the Christian system was perfect or not or adhered to accurately can be debated, but the idea of the cast system which is NOT even close to the British class colonialist system - was an inferiour order..One of the reasons that India languishes in misery is because their ancient cast system - created a tear in the genetic order - more and more stupid people breed with more and more stupid people - toss in multiple gods with ten arms and you are bound to get a mess - Gandhi - was trained in Britian - he understood and used CHRISTIAN principles to give his nation hand up'

To be blunt - and getting back to original aboriginal identity - they had a singular God - and did much better before the Paulist missionary hords came in offering them mulitiple saints.