RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Not that Joe Who was all that impressive. Yer preachin' to the choir here, bro. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Topaz Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Who is the best Prime Minister Canada never had? John Manley was on both Power Play and Power & Politics today. On both shows he discussed the peoblems with the Liberals and that they needed to change. He said the problems with the Liberals have been building for years but that there is still room for a fiscally responsible government that is socially progressive. Manley mentioned that in the election some Liberals fled to the Conservative because they have handeled the economy well and that they were afraid of the NDP. He also said that he thinks the Harper majority is better for business, he doesn't know if the government's policies will end up being good for businesses but a stable government should be. The most interesting thing he said on Power & Politics was that the government needs to look at allowing provinces to experiment with private health care. He said that there are forms of private health care that work and forms that don't, he discussed a form that he thinks is good but I didn't pay enough attention to understand it. I think Manley would have made an excellent Prime Minister and could overtake Robert Stanfield as the best Prime Minister Canada never had. Manley is no longer connectd to the liberal party and he's gone over to the Tories and has work for Harper on several occasions. He was also part of the North American Union debate, being for it by the way. He's for business, you already have your Tory PM. Quote
madmax Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 And that was also the way the election was triggered, from what I remember from stateside. The NDP was expected to back the gas tax but Broadbent welched. Well JBG, you got your history wrong on that one, and likely you will get it wrong on many of the things Ed Broadbent and the NDP stood up for during his era. The Gas Tax implemented by the Conservatives was EXPECTED to be supported by their Social Credit Cousins. By this time the Social Credit, forerunner to the Reform Party, had managed to establish itself in Quebec and the Quebec MPs weren't given the time of day by the Clark Conservatives. The Social Credit did not support the Gas Tax increase and we went to an election after 9 short months. The Social Credit/Credistes.. were wiped off the electoral map.. never to be seen again. 7 years later Preston Manning revived and improved upon the party that his father was in, and managed to rebrand a new western populist movement. The NDP welched on nothing. They stood up against the Gas Tax, just like they did when the HST was applied in Ontario and BC and just like they stood against the Consumption taxes of the GST all Brought in by the Conservatives. Quote
scouterjim Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 After his conceited and unsophisticated musings that favoured disposing of the monarchy, uttered on the eve of the Queen's Golden Jubilee royal tour, I wouldn't want to see Manley anywhere but as far away as possible from the PMO. Manley wanted to dispose of the monarchy? There is a man I could have supported!! Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Tilter Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) We had him but he didn't get a real time to show what he was made of. Joe Clark. We should have given that man a chance at the very least. Oh and Tommy Douglas of course but that goes with out saying. Tommy Douglas-- Yeah, we needed another Castro, this one to the North of the States. I guess everyone in Canada forgets when the CCF had all the Nuns in Saskatchewan wearing dresses (pre-T.C.D) but he spoke the same lingo Edited May 11, 2011 by Tilter Quote
jbg Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Well JBG, you got your history wrong on that one, and likely you will get it wrong on many of the things Ed Broadbent and the NDP stood up for during his era. I think you're right. I think the media coverage in the U.S. on that vote got it wrong. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
maple_leafs182 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Me Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
Keepitsimple Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Who is the best Prime Minister Canada never had? I think Manley would have made an excellent Prime Minister and could overtake Robert Stanfield as the best Prime Minister Canada never had. That's why Harper chose him for the Afghanistan Report......the two of them thinmk very similarly. Harper has always stated that the provinces should be free to try out some "alternative delivery" methods - as long as they have universal access through Medicare - for everyone. Unfortunately, when such Ideas are raised, the usual suspects start howling "US style Private Health" and "Two Tier Medicine". Perhaps now that a LIBERAL has stated the obvious, it will gain more traction. Quote Back to Basics
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