Dave_ON Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Posted May 11, 2011 Wikipedia and my memory. That said, I seem to recall that having party status in the senate was not exactly the same so the BQ may be off base when it claims the PC party had party status. Either way I believe it's at the discretion of parliament not so much a hard and fast rule. I think it's hard to make a case when you have only 4 seats though. Quote Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it. -Vaclav Haval-
cybercoma Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Hell, if they give the BQ official status, you can be damn sure Elizabeth May will cry foul and be asking for it. Quote
Dave_ON Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Posted May 11, 2011 Hell, if they give the BQ official status, you can be damn sure Elizabeth May will cry foul and be asking for it. Exactly, if we're going to hand out party status for a measly 4 MP's what's the difference if it's only 1 MP? (3 is the difference, so as to preempt any smart ass remarks Quote Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it. -Vaclav Haval-
cybercoma Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Especially if the popular vote is close. Quote
PIK Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Thanks. That is a little factoid that I didn't know. It is now added to the memory bank. I just learned something new myself. Good point. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
capricorn Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 The James Bay Hydro project..Good... Asbestos?? Timber?? Much of Quebec in manufacturing and industrial Artists? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Benz Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 As an Anglo who prescribes the Trudeau method of dealing with secessionists in Quebec circa October,1970... Who says I would want a "respectable union" with the likes of secessionists in Quebec??? Kinda presumptuous of you,is'nt it? You do realize that,in the event you folks were actually successful in this,that you would end up with what was essentially Lower Canada,right? 2/3rds of what looks like Quebec would revert back to the Cree indian tribe through treaty's signed at Confederation...It looks like the Fathers of Confederation were fairly forward thinking,were'nt they? I doubt very much you will be able to convince your fellows to follow you in your delirium. Quote
jbg Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 I doubt very much you will be able to convince your fellows to follow you in your delirium. Delirium? That's a strong word for a serious, good poster, albeit one I almost always disagree with. This thread (link) contains further questions on this issue (link). Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Benz Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Delirium? That's a strong word for a serious, good poster, albeit one I almost always disagree with. This thread (link) contains further questions on this issue (link). Not, it is not serious at all. If you attack the integrety of Québec's territory, you open a pandora box that can lead to blood. At best, you can ask Québec to exchange territories and negociate. Quote
jbg Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Not, it is not serious at all. If you attack the integrety of Québec's territory, you open a pandora box that can lead to blood. At best, you can ask Québec to exchange territories and negociate. Forgetting about the Cree issue, the Ungava Peninsula and other native claims, remember what Chretien or Dion said: "If Canada is divisible, Quebec is divisible". Why would the West Island Anglos consent to living under Francophone rule, without having the rights of Canadians? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Benz Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Forgetting about the Cree issue, the Ungava Peninsula and other native claims, remember what Chretien or Dion said: "If Canada is divisible, Quebec is divisible". Why would the West Island Anglos consent to living under Francophone rule, without having the rights of Canadians? Good question why? Why the Quebec anglos would have less rights under an independent Quebec? Do you beleive we will do with our anglos the same thing you will do to the french outside Québec? What would be our interest to be oppressive toward them when at the same time, we ask you to be fair with the french outside Québec? Seriously! Canada is a union. It is divisible because one member of the union, the Québec nation, is excluded. Québec is not divisible. The english majority is not a nation on their own. They are an english canadian minority, just as well as the french outside Québec. But the best part of your question is... why the anglos in Québec would accept to live under the french rules... that's is hilarious. Québec cannot have a say in the constitution and must comply to english rules but, when it comes to a small anglo community in Québec... out of the sudden, it's different. They have a right to not live under french rules. This is so typical. Edited May 12, 2011 by Benz Quote
madmax Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) No they don't. They get less per capita that most other provinces on the receiving end. It's common for people on MLW to have no idea how equalization payments work. Equalization payments do not, technically, involve wealthy provinces making payments to poor provinces a wealthy citizen in New Brunswick, a so-called "have not" province, pays more into equalization than a poorer citizen in Alberta, a so-called "have" province. However, because of Alberta's greater population and wealth, the citizens of Alberta as a whole are net contributors to Equalization, while the citizens of New Brunswick are net receivers of Equalization payments. Anyways, this formula is never going to change and some people are going to make hay of it no matter what. Perhaps most startling is that Until 2010 Ontario had never been on the receiving end of "equalization payments" and quite frankly the difference was so marginal, they should have refused it... if not just for prides sake.... Provinces can technically are to use these monies for services but ultimately do what they want with these monies and that includes giving it away in Corporate tax cuts. So, if one believes that Albertans pay into and Quebec receives, well, just remember that those nice corporations with Head offices in Quebec are getting a nice gift... Edited May 12, 2011 by madmax Quote
Wild Bill Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Good question why? Why the Quebec anglos would have less rights under an independent Quebec? Do you beleive we will do with our anglos the same thing you will do to the french outside Québec? What would be our interest to be oppressive toward them when at the same time, we ask you to be fair with the french outside Québec? Seriously! Interesting. The highway signs all over Ontario are in both English and French. Not so in Montreal. Yet in Quebec a Tim Hortons can be closed for the sake of an apostrophe! Who treats who the same? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Scotty Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Really?? Other than hydro-electric stuff and asbestos and timber...What resources does Quebec have??? What planet are you on,Oil Boy??? Quebec has the same natural resources Ontario has, along with a huge, heaping load of hydro resources to boot. It has lots of arable land, timber, and mining assets, including copper, iron and gold. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Transfer payments etc aren't exactly a subsidy for separatism per se... No, but 99% of the BQ's funding comes from that source, so when Harper eliminates the vote subsidy that will basically put the BQ out of business. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Smallc Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 No, but 99% of the BQ's funding comes from that source What? No. Quote
Benz Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 Interesting. The highway signs all over Ontario are in both English and French. Not so in Montreal.Road signs... big deal. 12 hospitals for the anglos in québec while only one in Ontario for the frenco-ontarians. Even then, the Ontario government tried to close it. Montfort, does it remind you anything?Yet in Quebec a Tim Hortons can be closed for the sake of an apostrophe!Did you see this on the same newspaper stating that the Dawson's killer did it because of Québec language laws? Beware of the crap you can read. Sometimes I watch the english news and I wonder if I am not a vampire eating babies alive just because I live in Québec. The only stores being closed were those who continuously violate the rules over and over. Besides those few, the english stores have no problem at all. The last time I heard of something regarding language rules was this man having 99% of its business on the web and clients everywhere outside Canada. He received a warning from the "language police" but after he informed them of its situation, the "language police" said it's ok. Of course, the Gazett whinned about it but did not informed their readers that finally, l'Office de la protection de la langue français understood the situation and let it go.Who treats who the same? Go see the Office of the Commissioner of the Official Languages and you will be surprise. Quote
Molly Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 Road signs... big deal. 12 hospitals for the anglos in québec while only one in Ontario for the frenco-ontarians. Even then, the Ontario government tried to close it. What?!?!? How flipping segregationist can you get?!! Enemas and blood transfusions come in one universal language. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Benz Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 What?!?!? How flipping segregationist can you get?!! Enemas and blood transfusions come in one universal language. You are pathetic. Keep your lame insults and projections for you. You are very low. Since when blood transfusion can be an excuse to forbid the french to work in their own language. Pathetic!!!!! Quote
pegasus Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 Road signs... big deal. 12 hospitals for the anglos in québec while only one in Ontario for the frenco-ontarians. Even then, the Ontario government tried to close it. Montfort, does it remind you anything? And this was the problem with the BQ. They were so focused on Quebec, that they forgot about those who spoke French outside of the province. I'm unsure if the BQ responded to this, but if they did, I'd like to see a link. This would have been the type of arguments I would have liked to see coming from the BQ. Not only protecting the language and culture of the French speaking population in Quebec, but especially on a National, or perhaps even, North American scale. This could have been done by working to provide proper translation material and educators and perhaps building schools and networks in different Provinces and States. This would have helped Quebec to not feel segregated and alone in a North America dominated by English. The BQ had 20 years to start this kind of project, and was in a unique position to do this, but they let the opportunity slip away. Quote
ninjandrew Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 Couldnt all of this language BS have been solved decades ago if French was mandatory in school outside Quebec, and English was mandatory in Quebec, perhaps until high school? Wouldnt that make us a truly bilingual country? Quote "Everything in moderation, including moderation." -- Socrates
Evening Star Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) Couldnt all of this language BS have been solved decades ago if French was mandatory in school outside Quebec, and English was mandatory in Quebec, perhaps until high school? Wouldnt that make us a truly bilingual country? I thought this is already the case? At least in Ontario, everyone is required to take French in school. Or do you mean that immersion should be required for everyone? Edited May 13, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
Molly Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 You are pathetic. Keep your lame insults and projections for you. You are very low. Since when blood transfusion can be an excuse to forbid the french to work in their own language. Pathetic!!!!! Oh, get stuffed. Few things could be more disgracefully pathetic than citing employment in healthcare as your basis to whine linguistic persecution. Hospitals exist to help the sick, not to reserve employment opportunities for people based on the language they speak. Show me qualified but unemployed health professionals in this country and I'm pretty darned sure we can find a job for them right here in this county, complete with accommodations for linguistic complications when and if such accommodations are needed. My sister recently retired from work in healthcare... Folks in the hospital where she spent most of her career might-- and did-- chat in English, French, Cree, Tagalog, Arabic, Russian, Africaans with one another or with patients.... English was the language of record of course, because it was the likliest common vector in that area, but so long as folks could communicate clearly with one another, what is the benefit to getting your tail in a twist? There is certainly no benefit to patients for service providers to stand on some percieved right to be stinking self-absorbed. Language is a tool. (Not a culture. Not a nation. Not even a province.) It can be used to illuminate, communicate, and to connect people--- or it can be used to obfuscate, dissemble, to confound and to isolate people from one another. Choosing the latter is lame and pathetic. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
ninjandrew Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 I thought this is already the case? At least in Ontario, everyone is required to take French in school. Or do you mean that immersion should be required for everyone? Its not a mandatory in Alberta, and I'm fairly sure it isnt mandatory in BC, Sask, or Manitoba either. Other provinces and territories I have no idea. Quote "Everything in moderation, including moderation." -- Socrates
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