Voter intelligence is being insulted again

CANADIEN · May 2, 2011

Generally, I just tell them to go back to Toronto. Or Starbucks.

:lol:

wyly · May 2, 2011

Another example of urban people try to tell rural folks how it is and how they should behave and what they should believe in. So all rural people are uneducated and stupid in your terms. That is absolutely absurd. So by your reasoning the only thing keeping all the conservatives in the world from becoming socialists is a good education.

You and people like you are out of touch with reality and need to grow up if that is your attitude. Rural folks grow the food you eat and one piece of farm machinery is worth more then some peoples homes in Canada.

Just because a person chooses to live in a rural setting doesn't mean they're uneducated.

Just because a person wants less government intrusion into their lives, this doesn't mean they're uneducated either.

sorry wrong...rural people have less education than urban and that's a fact, taking over dad's farm doesn't even require completing grade twelve...plus with a full education college or uni comes more social exposure, sophistication and progressive liberalism...

the educated rural people I've met tended to be progressive...

Ottawavalleyboy · May 2, 2011

The last time I heard the voters were protesting was in Ontario in 1990.

Theres a phrase for this.Its called blaming the voters for not voting the way you want them to!

What about 1993 when the Bloq and Reform took hold?

As far as I'm concerned when the right wing media insults the voters they lose all credibility and are showing their true biased nature!

First they were saying that Canadians don't want this election,and now they are saying that the voters are protesting.Anything but give the NDP the credibility they deserve!Must be real hard to keep finding ways to make Harper look good now!

Thank God TV ratings are going down and advertising revenues are drying up-I wonder why?

WWWTT

I wouldnt say the ndp votes are all protest just a lot of people that believe Jack can pull off half the bs he has promised

lukin · May 2, 2011

I wouldnt say the ndp votes are all protest just a lot of people that believe Jack can pull off half the bs he has promised

Yes, many people are delusional. Similar to many city elites who think beef is made at Safeway.

Edited May 2, 2011 by lukin

Ottawavalleyboy · May 2, 2011

sorry wrong...rural people have less education than urban and that's a fact, taking over dad's farm doesn't even require completing grade twelve...plus with a full education college or uni comes more social exposure, sophistication and progressive liberalism...

the educated rural people I've met tended to be progressive...

Your ignorance is astounding, sorry but I will take the informed decision of a farmer who runs a million dollar milking business over some idiot idealogist who has a degree in art history and works at a coffee house any day. The education in the rural towns is no different in the cities. Where we have uneducated people working heavy labour and farm jobs you have pot heads sucking at the welfare tit bitching that there are no jobs out there despite all the help wanted signs in store fronts.

TTM · May 2, 2011

Another example of urban people try to tell rural folks how it is and how they should behave and what they should believe in. So all rural people are uneducated and stupid in your terms. That is absolutely absurd. So by your reasoning the only thing keeping all the conservatives in the world from becoming socialists is a good education.

You and people like you are out of touch with reality and need to grow up if that is your attitude. Rural folks grow the food you eat and one piece of farm machinery is worth more then some peoples homes in Canada.

Just because a person chooses to live in a rural setting doesn't mean they're uneducated.

Just because a person wants less government intrusion into their lives, this doesn't mean they're uneducated either.

Notice how I used the term "stereotypical". I would never call rural people stupid. On average less educated, less exposed to other cultures and ideas and therefor more insular and xenophobic, sure, but not stupid. I spent the ages of 3 to 18 growing up on a farm a couple of miles outside a small town (pop. ~300) near the Alberta border, in the middle of the Saskatchewan oil patch. The nearest "city" was a larger town of ~4,000, half an hour away. Saskatoon was the nearest major population center, 2 hours away. My understanding of rural attitudes comes from being immersed in them for 15 years, and I get a refresher every time I return to visit (several times a year).

lukin · May 2, 2011

Your ignorance is astounding, sorry but I will take the informed decision of a farmer who runs a million dollar milking business over some idiot idealogist who has a degree in art history and works at a coffee house any day. The education in the rural towns is no different in the cities. Where we have uneducated people working heavy labour and farm jobs you have pot heads sucking at the welfare tit bitching that there are no jobs out there despite all the help wanted signs in store fronts.

I couldn't have said it any better. Many "educated" university students are voting NDP because they always see Layton smiling. That's the level of thought of many university students. I've lived in cities and small towns. Without a doubt, the rural folk were much more level headed.

Smallc · May 2, 2011

Without a doubt, the rural folk were much more level headed.

Definitely not...and I live in a rural area. What I wouldn't give for Winnipeg when it comes to talking politics and government. Rural people are just irrational.

Ottawavalleyboy · May 2, 2011

the conservatives are busy taking credit for a stimulus package that created employment and you want to condemn it, there is no logic in conservative logic...the opposition forced the conservatives into the stimulus package...the problem wasn't the package it was the conservatives cutting the GST, what brilliant financial genius in the conservative regime thought they could run a country without revenue to pay the bills...

there's no objective logic in your beliefs, harper could be puppy eating serial killer and would still vote for him only because he's a conservative...

Lowering the GST was in there platform and they stuck to there word. hmmm how evil and stupid of them.

Smallc · May 2, 2011

Lowering the GST was in there platform and they stuck to there word. hmmm how evil and stupid of them.

It wasn't evil, but it was stupid, especially considering that they temporarily raised income taxes to pay for it.

Edited May 2, 2011 by Smallc

lukin · May 2, 2011

Definitely not...and I live in a rural area. What I wouldn't give for Winnipeg when it comes to talking politics and government. Rural people are just irrational.

you are the king of generalizations. Winnipeg is going nowhere.

Ottawavalleyboy · May 2, 2011

It wasn't evil, but it was stupid, especially considering that they temporarily raised income taxes to pay for it.

ya no question, problem here I think is what I think has been the problem with the Conservatives since the merger with the reform. This is no longer the conservative party, this is the Harper reform party. In my opinion he did it because he was hoping for an election and if he hadnt done it it would have been another chip to hit him with. I had a long conversation with a good friend that worked in the Conservative party under Mulroney and Clark tonight and I have to say it was an extremely eye opening conversation. If I can stay awake I may post about it(I spent the last two days reroofing my garage and I just remembered I am not 20 anymore ). I have voted conservative for the last 19 years but I honestly think I may vote liberal this time....oh wait thats not true. When Kim Campbell was running for reelection I spoiled my ballot.

Ottawavalleyboy · May 2, 2011

you are the king of generalizations. Winnipeg is going nowhere.

whoa whoa whoa!!! how come he gets to be king?

lukin · May 2, 2011

whoa whoa whoa!!! how come he gets to be king?

Because no one can make baseless generalizations as well as smallc.

TTM · May 2, 2011

I couldn't have said it any better. Many "educated" university students are voting NDP because they always see Layton smiling. That's the level of thought of many university students. I've lived in cities and small towns. Without a doubt, the rural folk were much more level headed.

That to me sounds like frustration on your part. Progressives have a choice of at least three parties, while what option does your average right wing voter have? Your side made the "Deal with the Devil" and sacrificed choice for power.

lukin · May 2, 2011

That to me sounds like frustration on your part. Progressives have a choice of at least three parties, while what option does your average right wing voter have? Your side made the "Deal with the Devil" and sacrificed choice for power.

No frustration at all. I never voted Reform, and voted for Jean Chretien twice, when they weren't taken over by the socialist wing of that party. I vote for the party that I feel will benefit my country the most. Right now that is Stephen harper and the Conservatives.

I find most who call themselves progressive have no idea what it means. It sounds trendy to them. That's the reason so many weak-minded university students call themselves progressives....it sounds good.

blueblood · May 2, 2011

sorry wrong...rural people have less education than urban and that's a fact, taking over dad's farm doesn't even require completing grade twelve...plus with a full education college or uni comes more social exposure, sophistication and progressive liberalism...

the educated rural people I've met tended to be progressive...

Oh here we go more self righteous university=superior bullshit.

It might not take a grade 12 to take over the farm, but it requires some smarts to keep and expand it. I've seen uni educated farmers go just as broke just as fast as those who took the fast track. I can say with confidence many high school educated producers earn as much or more than their uni educated counyterparts and professors who farm as well.

The thing I find stupid is someone with a 4 year arts degree thinks that they are so much smarter and better than us uneducated rural farmers yet make one to two less zeros on their paycheck. Stupid is as stupid does.

To think that a uni education makes someone smarter, that person needs their head checked. All a uni education makes a person is is less ignorant.

Ill take the cash over sophistication and social exposure every day of the week and twice on sunday. Do arts degrees have refunds?

Edited May 2, 2011 by blueblood

Hydraboss · May 2, 2011

I don't know. I hire lots of university educated people and then watch them work side by side with my guys who have grade 6 (usually fishermen from the east). They don't do any better, but they sure complain a lot.

Guess they couldn't find "jobs of distinction" that fit their qualifications.

Makes me giggle like a school girl everytime I tour the shops.

Edit: Those fishermen with the grade 6? They don't ever whine and they do a hell of a job. Wish NF, etc would send more.

Edited May 2, 2011 by Hydraboss

TTM · May 2, 2011

To think that a uni education makes someone smarter, that person needs their head checked. All a uni education makes a person is is less ignorant.

Very true. However on the converse, I find that whenever I try to discuss politics with someone who is aware of the education difference, the conversation quickly descends into "just because you have some fancy edification, doesn't make you right"

Ill take the cash over sophistication and social exposure every day of the week and twice on sunday.

I'll take poverty over xenophobia any day

Edited May 2, 2011 by TTM

blueblood · May 2, 2011

I don't know. I hire lots of university educated people and then watch them work side by side with my guys who have grade 6 (usually fishermen from the east). They don't do any better, but they sure complain a lot.

Guess they couldn't find "jobs of distinction" that fit their qualifications.

Makes me giggle like a school girl everytime I tour the shops.

Edit: Those fishermen with the grade 6? They don't ever whine and they do a hell of a job. Wish NF, etc would send more.

And I bet those fishermen are driving nicer vehicles than them because they don't have student loans to pay off.

I love it, uni educated people working the pipeline/patch. What a waste of tuition money and 4+ years

TTM · May 2, 2011

I love it, uni educated people working the pipeline/patch. What a waste of tuition money and 4+ years

Only if the only goal of education is getting a job.

blueblood · May 2, 2011

Very true. However on the converse, I find that whenever I try to discuss politics with someone who is aware of the education difference, the conversation quickly descends into "just because you have some fancy edification, doesn't make you right"

I'll take poverty over xenophobia any day

Oh I don't mind people going to school, just don't rub it in my face, because that leads to the bank account and asset pissing match, and I end up coming across as an arrogant ass. Sounds like you got into a debate with someone with rocks in their head. There's lots of that in the country and in the city uni educated or not.

As for xenophobia, I'm all for immigration. We need all the doctors, labourers, dentists, etc. We can get. I don't feel like travelling an hour to go see the doctor. I live in an area with lots of poverty, you don't want to live like that.

blueblood · May 2, 2011

Only if the only goal of education is getting a job.

If I'm working as a grunt on hydraboss's rig with a 4 year science degree and my supervisor who is probably younger than me only has a grade 12, I'd be pretty upset.

That's called a useless degree. If I'm spending 60k on school and 4 yrs, I am wanting something that is related to my degree.

Ottawavalleyboy · May 2, 2011

If I'm working as a grunt on hydraboss's rig with a 4 year science degree and my supervisor who is probably younger than me only has a grade 12, I'd be pretty upset.

That's called a useless degree. If I'm spending 60k on school and 4 yrs, I am wanting something that is related to my degree.

Sadly too many go to university just because they dont know what else to do with themselves after high school. This leads to useless degrees in my opinion. If you love literature, you dont know what you want to do with your life but you want to go to school then by all means go and get a degree in English but dont complain about working a lower paying job than the guy who went and took an engineering coarse. The worse out of this is so many become teachers because there is nothing else they can do with the degree. Then we end up with bitter university grads teaching our youth.

Hydraboss · May 2, 2011

If I'm working as a grunt on hydraboss's rig with a 4 year science degree and my supervisor who is probably younger than me only has a grade 12, I'd be pretty upset.

Oh, they're not nearly that high up the ladder. They're scrubbing threads on drill pipe and tubing. Think rig scrub brush and a 3'x5' tub of varsol...12 hours a day.

That's called a useless degree. If I'm spending 60k on school and 4 yrs, I am wanting something that is related to my degree.

It's funny to think that with all that "edu-macation", the best they can do is stand beside a Newfoundland fisherman (who's only out here for the season) and earn his 50-60k. Guess this is what they mean when they say that if everyone gets a degree, that degree is useless.