Why doesn't Harper come clean with his intentions to Canadians?

[Ottawavalleyboy]

Nice to admit that Bev Oda didn't speak for Harper when she lied (I'll keep it at that).

Bev Oda was a sad case of a woman who made a mistake in the way she handled a file. What went on in that meeting is up to debate. The opposition butchered that woman and made her out to be some kind of slick criminal. Why do so many prefer the slick greasy politicians aka Chretien that truly screw us over and then somehow go free and then one charity gets excluded for funding and boom the sky is falling.. get a grip.

[CANADIEN]

Uh, you mean like Jack Layton presenting NDP candidates in Quebec who go abroad during the campaign or on election day, don't live/campaign in the riding, can't speak French or who favour Quebec independence?

Many Canadian voters who don't follow politics closely are going to be shocked to discover how Jack Layton and the NDP have deceived them.

Not that one again. Frankly, that's all you have?

The NDP was getting the candidates they could at a time when there was no chance that they would win more than one seat in Quebec. And if you had strapped each and every NDP candidate in Quebec and passed a lie detector test, how many would have said before the start of the campaign they thought they could possibly win? One? Two?

The quality of the NDP contingent from Quebec will not be that high. But to argue that Layton deceived Quebecers by deliberately going after bad candidates... Give your head a shake.

[Ottawavalleyboy]

And he wasn't claiming Harper is a would be dictator.

Doesn't change the fact Harper is evasive as to whether or not he would consider trying to (legally) form the government in the case if a NDP victory. If he is gonna stick to his conviction that only the party with the most seats should form the government, shouldn't he say so?

Ignatieff refused to answer the same question when grilled by the CBC because the answers to loaded questions always get twisted by competing parties for ammo of one sort or another. Smiling Jack gladly answered it because as the dark horse in the race he can pretty well go with whatever he wants. The government works the same way whether the ndp win(which they havent got a chance in hell) or the conservatives win. If the winning party doesnt gain the confidence of the house then the governor general goes to the opposition parties to see if they can work together to form a coalition. Its not fkin brain surgery guys, they dont want to take the bait to get twisted by the BS tv. commercials and all the rest of it.

[CANADIEN]

Bev Oda was a sad case of a woman who made a mistake in the way she handled a file. What went on in that meeting is up to debate. The opposition butchered that woman and made her out to be some kind of slick criminal. Why do so many prefer the slick greasy politicians aka Chretien that truly screw us over and then somehow go free and then one charity gets excluded for funding and boom the sky is falling.. get a grip.

The "mistake" was to delibarately alter a document then say that she didn't do it or order it.

BTW, I do not claim the sky fell, or that Oda is worse than Chrétien, obviously she isn't. But she lied nonetheless - nice of you to find her excuses.

[Ottawavalleyboy]

If I had been referring to Harper, you would have a point. FACT is, I was referring to Francisco Franco. The man Mr. Canada thinks is a great man. The man whose photo is on the back of his crucifix. The man whose photo he kisses every day.

This is one case where you would have been well served by following the thread. Who I was referring to was plenty clear.

ah ok that makes sense. I thought you had gone off your rocker all of a sudden.

[Ottawavalleyboy]

The "mistake" was to delibarately alter a document then say that she didn't do it or order it.

BTW, I do not claim the sky fell, or that Oda is worse than Chrétien, obviously she isn't. But she lied nonetheless - nice of you to find her excuses.

Absolutely but I think what she did was low on the list of all the BS that we have gone through with our Federal government in the last 40 years. I think the media blew it way out of proportion.

edit: and to me when you see how it was altered I am confused. Why would she alter it? If she wanted changes all she had to have it changed was have it properly changed. She had the position to do so. The fact she lied I think was she simply couldnt handle the situation she was in and lied to protect herself. Like a certain president, who lied to protect himself. Some people who get caught with there pants down lie to protect themselves without thinking of the consequences. He got castrated for lieing, what would have happened if he said yaaa man i let her blow me, why the hell not?!

Edited May 1, 2011 by Ottawavalleyboy

[CANADIEN]

Ignatieff refused to answer the same question when grilled by the CBC because the answers to loaded questions always get twisted by competing parties for ammo of one sort or another. Smiling Jack gladly answered it because as the dark horse in the race he can pretty well go with whatever he wants. The government works the same way whether the ndp win(which they havent got a chance in hell) or the conservatives win. If the winning party doesnt gain the confidence of the house then the governor general goes to the opposition parties to see if they can work together to form a coalition. Its not fkin brain surgery guys, they dont want to take the bait to get twisted by the BS tv. commercials and all the rest of it.

Nice try. when Harper thought there was no possibility whatsoever another party could get more seat than his, he had no hesitation saying that only the party with the most seats should form government. Now, he doesn't want to respond. Because his respond could be twisted you said... Well boohoohoo - that's a risk politicians run every time they talk straight. Either he sticks to his principle (that only the party with the most seat can form the government), or he doesn't stick to that principle.

BTW, that constant flubbering by Ignatieff on that issue is shameful as well. And no, I don't think Layton would have been that different had he been in the same situation.

[CANADIEN]

Absolutely but I think what she did was low on the list of all the BS that we have gone through with our Federal government in the last 40 years. I think the media blew it way out of proportion.

Nope. She blew it. Just plain saying "I do not accept the recommendation" would have been honest, and quite franly, most simpler anyway.

[Ottawavalleyboy]

Nope. She blew it. Just plain saying "I do not accept the recommendation" would have been honest, and quite franly, most simpler anyway.

What pissed me off on this was she was incompetent not devious or showing deep alterior motives. But its easy to rip someone apart when your on the sidelines.

[BubberMiley]

That strong leader should be able to decide his own length of tenure.

I guess we'll have to hold you to that when Jack becomes PM next week.

[CANADIEN]

What pissed me off on this was she was incompetent not devious or showing deep alterior motives. But its easy to rip someone apart when your on the sidelines.

Well... what can I say... Crossing a line from an official document then stating that it did not happen would be considered devious, and a ground for dismissal if the document was important enough, in most public and private sector workplaces I've been in.

[Ottawavalleyboy]

Nice try. when Harper thought there was no possibility whatsoever another party could get more seat than his, he had no hesitation saying that only the party with the most seats should form government. Now, he doesn't want to respond. Because his respond could be twisted you said... Well boohoohoo - that's a risk politicians run every time they talk straight. Either he sticks to his principle (that only the party with the most seat can form the government), or he doesn't stick to that principle.

BTW, that constant flubbering by Ignatieff on that issue is shameful as well. And no, I don't think Layton would have been that different had he been in the same situation.

Nice try? Are you not hearing what Iggy and Harper are saying? The party with the most seats does form the government period. The government has to gain the confidence of the house, if it cant do it then there is procedure to follow. Neither one of them wants to answer that quesion for obvious reasons which I have stated a few times. The original poster was trying to moronically state that Harper had some devious plan to stop them and somehow hold power. He is not stupid and is not giving more ammo.

[Ottawavalleyboy]

Well... what can I say... Crossing a line from an official document then stating that it did not happen would be considered devious, and a ground for dismissal if the document was important enough, in most public and private sector workplaces I've been in.

Yep everything is black and white with you when it is on the conservative side. ugh She Lie, ugh She bad, ugh all conservatives bad.

[Harry]

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[CANADIEN]

Nice try? Are you not hearing what Iggy and Harper are saying? The party with the most seats does form the government period. The government has to gain the confidence of the house, if it cant do it then there is procedure to follow. Neither one of them wants to answer that quesion for obvious reasons which I have stated a few times. The original poster was trying to moronically state that Harper had some devious plan to stop them and somehow hold power. He is not stupid and is not giving more ammo.

Oh. I perfectly heard what Harper was saying then. I perfectly hear what he is not saying now. There would be nothing devious or illegal in trying to remain in power even while finishing second - a complete opposite of what he has been saying all along.

If he doesn't intend to change his view in the case his party finishes second, he should be applauded for his principled stance. Which is way all he needs to say is - I haven't change my mind on the subject.

Edited May 1, 2011 by CANADIEN

[Harry]

I love Canada but it is like an adolescent right now and needs a strong conservative father to raise it adulthood. That strong leader should be able to decide his own length of tenure. The maturity of Canada will decide when it's best to step down and not a moment sooner. I love strong leaders because they are like the nations father who always knows best.

Archie! Archie Bunker! Where have you been?

[August1991]

The quality of the NDP contingent from Quebec will not be that high. But to argue that Layton deceived Quebecers by deliberately going after bad candidates... Give your head a shake.

Layton may have irreparably harmed the NDP brand both in Quebec and in English-Canada.

The "mistake" was to delibarately alter a document then say that she didn't do it or order it.

Nobody cares or knows about Bev Oda now.

I guess we'll have to hold you to that when Jack becomes PM next week.

Bubbler, if you think Jack will be PM next week, I suggest that you go back for another toke and reflect on this question some more.

[CANADIEN]

Yep everything is black and white with you when it is on the conservative side. ugh She Lie, ugh She bad, ugh all conservatives bad.

And I was having my doubt about whether or notthe word boy in your monicker was a reflexion of the level of discourse to be expected. I stand corrected.

I would think the exact same thing if Bev Oda had been a Liberal, NDP or Rhinoceros Party minister. Should members of Cabinet be held to different standards based on their political affiliation? I do not think so. Do you?

Edited May 1, 2011 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Layton may have irreparably harmed the NDP brand both in Quebec and in English-Canada. ¨

as demonstrated by each and every poll over the last two weeks.

[Ottawavalleyboy]

And I was having my doubt about whether or notthe word boy in your monicker was a reflexion of the level of discourse to be expected. I stand corrected.

I would think the exact same thing if Bev Oda had been a Lieral, NDP or Rhinoceros Party minister. Should members of Cabinet be held to different standards based on their political affiliation? I do not think so. Do you?

Absolutely not, where in our conversation did I excuse her. As I said numerous times, she was incompetent but was made out to be some kind of lower than low slimebag. Did you watch the hearings? It wasnt necessary, she should have been disciplined and then moved along out of the position. Like everything else for the last few years in politics everything is becoming a sideshow in which peoples lives are ruined. I felt bad for her as I would have if she was an ndp or liberal.

[CANADIEN]

Absolutely not, where in our conversation did I excuse her. As I said numerous times, she was incompetent but was made out to be some kind of lower than low slimebag. Did you watch the hearings? It wasnt necessary, she should have been disciplined and then moved along out of the position. Like everything else for the last few years in politics everything is becoming a sideshow in which peoples lives are ruined. I felt bad for her as I would have if she was an ndp or liberal.

Calling her incompetent when she was clearly caught Laltering an official document and lying about it is providing her with an xcuse for her ceceitful action, no matter how you want to frame it otherwise.

Your opinion of her would have been the same had she been from another party? Good for you. Mine would have remained the same as well.

[Ottawavalleyboy]

Oh. I perfectly heard what Harper was saying then. I perfectly hear what he is not saying now. There would be nothing devious or illegal in trying to remain in power even while finishing second - a complete opposite of what he has been saying all along.

If he doesn't intend to change his view in the case his party finishes second, he should be applauded for his principled stance. Which is way all he needs to say is - I haven't change my mind on the subject.

When did ever Harper say it would be devious or illegal. I wont bother looking for the quote because he has never said that. He has said from the start that the party with the most seats should form the government. He has fought the idea of a coalition from the start because at the start it was the only possibility of a losing power that he saw. All of this is game playing as far as I am concerned, on policy the conservatives win hands down so people are attacking and looking for weak spots. The ndp's weak spot is blatant and obvious, impossible promises, impossible to support policies. As far as the boy in Ottawavalleyboy, its a valley thing you wouldnt understand.

Edited May 1, 2011 by Ottawavalleyboy

[Harry]

Sounds about right.

Does the election mark Common Sense Revolution 2.0?

The apparent left turn of voters who seemed in lockstep to re-elect Prime Minister Stephen Harper with more seats than ever has bamboozled pundits and politicians as they watch NDP Leader Jack Layton's poll numbers climb.

So has the bigger-than-expected turnout for early ballots on a holiday weekend. And this after predictions that the turnout could even undercut the last election, which attracted the lowest percentage of registered voters in history.

“What began as a business-as-usual election has turned into something really unusual,” says Jamie Biggar, who heads the Vancouver-based Leadnow, which summons “vote mobs” of young people to the polls.

“There is a growing sense of possibility that after this election we might have real change in Ottawa.”

Many Canadians, it appears, think that can't happen too soon. And they may not be alone.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/983436--does-the-election-mark-common-sense-revolution-2-0?bn=1

[Ottawavalleyboy]

Calling her incompetent when she was clearly caught Laltering an official document and lying about it is providing her with an xcuse for her ceceitful action, no matter how you want to frame it otherwise.

Your opinion of her would have been the same had she been from another party? Good for you. Mine would have remained the same as well.

Once again, was the final decision on the document hers? If so then like I said it was incompetence to do what she did and then she lied most likely out of fear further showing her incompetence. Discipline her and fire her. All I said was I didnt like the way she was treated. Get off your high horse, your ndp is showing.

[Tilter]

Canadians really detest sleazeball politicians who tried to deceive them. Unfortunately Harper doesn't seem to grasp the fact that he loses the votes of Canadian each time he plays games by not coming clean with his intentions.

Harper said whoever wins the most number of seats initially gets to govern until defeated by tne opposition. Will Harper keep his word to Canadians and give up power if the Cons end with the second most number of seats on Monday nite? I have my doubts - what say you?

Harper mum on post-election governing scenario

Stephen Harper is refusing to say whether he would accept a decision by the Governor-General to hand power to the opposition parties in wake of the May 2 election.

Conservative supporters booed a CBC journalist at a Greater Toronto Area campaign stop Saturday morning after he challenged the Tory Leader on the matter.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/harper-mum-on-post-election-governing-scenario/article2005281/

And if I had been there I'd have done the same. The CBC is biting the hand that feeds it. I can understand the Torstar getting on Harper's case--- they are a privately owned business and have ALWAYS been Liberal, in political terms and also in their praise of any dog the libs throw in as a leader--- Hell, they were even singing the praises of Dion. Now the Libs are dead & they need a new saviouy--- who else but a socialist who lived in a home for the financially challenged while both he & his wife were sucking on the public tit and when a fellow has to live in the squaller of public housing, who can blame him for wanting a little relaxation & a nice "massage' every now & again.

The CBC on the other hand are being paid by the public purse and should be completely neutral in all political matters. Their open support of the Liberal party is a slap in the face of ALL Canadians.