Layton found nude in massage parlour!

[CANADIEN]

So you admit the CBC and CTV are biased?

Nice try putting in my mouth something I didn,t say.

Now, don't be afraid of telling the truth. No media would be biased in your view if they were praising the virtues of the Conservative parties all day and all night.

The waffergate should have been dropped the second what actually happened was clarified. The bathroom-gate was not worth the ink spent on it. But to use this as a proof of a big leftist anti-Conservative bias from the big bad media... Better come with something a lot better.

[Scotty]

His name is "John." That's the name on his birth certificate.

I think that's a bit disingenuous as he never goes by John.

[Guest American Woman]

If Jonathan Kay puts something on the public record, that's different from kimmy@mlw or AW@mlw writing anonymous speculation on a message board.

I don't consider a twitter post "putting something on the public record," which was my point. If the columnist wants to write about it in their media source, then it becomes "on the record" and there's an accountability standard/requirement that goes along with it. There is no accountability requirement, no standards assigned to a twitter post.

It's relevant for 2 reasons. [...]

I understand why it would be relevant, I'm not arguing that, but I still don't see it as anything other than a twitter post. When it's written up in the media source, then I will give it more credence.

For the record, I think it's wrong to accuse the Tories of being responsible for the leak.

Edited April 30, 2011 by American Woman

[Scotty]

The way the NDP is being smeared by claims that they are communists bent on destroying personal liberties, to give one example.

How unfair. Most of them aren't Communists. And a few still do believe in freedom of speech.

[Scotty]

Well, the idea that the SUN has uncovered something newsworthy is ridiculous too, yet you keep insisting the media sullies itself even more.

In the world of infotainment, 'newsworthy' is simply a term for whatever people will look at or want to see or are drawn to. That's why lindsay Lohan is front page news.

[CANADIEN]

In the world of infotainment, 'newsworthy' is simply a term for whatever people will look at or want to see or are drawn to. That's why lindsay Lohan is front page news.

Well... I actually prefer news when it comes to matters regarding the way this great country of ours should be governed. Infotainment is fine when talking about Lohan, not Harper or Layton.

[Scotty]

Well... I actually prefer news when it comes to matters regarding the way this great country of ours should be governed. Infotainment is fine when talking about Lohan, not Harper or Layton.

I don't disagree. I'm just pointing out that's the way things are. The news is full of shiite every day. Little of it really counts as "news" but that doesn't stop all the shows from putting it out there.

The other day I sat down in the morning to eat and watch TV. Every single news show was showing the royal wedding. CNN, FOX, BBC, SUN, CBS, CBC, CTV, ABC, NBC, my morning news shows on local TV. EVERYTHING.

Edited April 30, 2011 by Scotty

[August1991]

The waffergate should have been dropped the second what actually happened was clarified. The bathroom-gate was not worth the ink spent on it. But to use this as a proof of a big leftist anti-Conservative bias from the big bad media... Better come with something a lot better.

How about the endless discussion of why Harper shook his son's hand at the first day of school?

Or how about Harper's choice of vest at a Nafta meeting in Mexico.

How about when Harper decided to take an ATV out for a ride in the North and jokingly said "I make the rules!"

And these are the examples that just pop into my mind. In another thread, I listed all the recent "scandals" that the MSM has accused the Tories of in the past six months or so.

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I frankly think that Layton and the NDP are going to face far worse that a massage story of 15 years ago. So if you're an NDP fan, get ready.

[August1991]

I don't consider a twitter post "putting something on the public record," which was my point. If the columnist wants to write about it in their media source, then it becomes "on the record" and there's an accountability standard/requirement that goes along with it. There is no accountability requirement, no standards assigned to a twitter post.

AW, the problem is that if Harper does something dumb, the MSM is all over it. If Layton or a Liberal does something dumb, it is hushed up.

This old story only came to light because we now have alternative media sources.

[Mr.Canada]

I find it sad that a man who condemns sleazy massage parlors and refers to the women who work in them, many times forced to work in them, as victims and saying that these types of massage parlors objectify women, would then frequent one himself as a client. During a police raid no less. A major politician is found naked in a bed during the raid of this suspected bawdy house and some people think this isn't newsworthy? What planet do you people reside on? This is the biggest news story of this entire election.

So now the question is vote for Harper who has impeccable moral fortitude and who will get tough on crime and lock criminals in prison where they belong saving our citizens from future hardships. Or...vote for Jack Layton who will go easy on criminals, letting them have 2 for 1 time, cable TV, house arrest and has himself been involved in a police raid on a suspected bawdy house where he was questioned about his involvement with the young Asian "masseuse".

What a choice indeed.

[CANADIEN]

I frankly think that Layton and the NDP are going to face far worse that a massage story of 15 years ago.

That won't be difficult.

[CANADIEN]

I find it sad that a man who condemns sleazy massage parlors and refers to the women who work in them, many times forced to work in them, as victims and saying that these types of massage parlors objectify women, would then frequent one himself as a client. During a police raid no less.

I would find that more than sad. Problem is, that's not what happened.

[lukin]

Nice try putting in my mouth something I didn,t say.

Now, don't be afraid of telling the truth. No media would be biased in your view if they were praising the virtues of the Conservative parties all day and all night.

The waffergate should have been dropped the second what actually happened was clarified. The bathroom-gate was not worth the ink spent on it. But to use this as a proof of a big leftist anti-Conservative bias from the big bad media... Better come with something a lot better.

So, in your opinion, would you say the CBC is fair equally fair to all three national parties?

[scribblet]

The way the NDP is being smeared by claims that they are communists bent on destroying personal liberties, to give one example.

This is the socialist caucus which represents about 20% I'm told, but if you read the NDP website they don't publish their constituon - I think that's a good thread.

http://www.ndpsocialists.ca/

[CANADIEN]

How about the endless discussion of why Harper shook his son's hand at the first day of school?

Which discussion? Not seen it (not saying it didn't happened), and quite frankly I didn't miss anything.But well, that or the "OMG... Ignatieff's wife is not a citizen" non-sense.

Or how about Harper's choice of vest at a Nafta meeting in Mexico.

Yes, what about it? Like choices of clothing by other politicians of other stripes have never been made. Remember the Duceppe picture with during a visit as a cheese factories in the 1990's? (mind you, he DID look stupid).

How about when Harper decided to take an ATV out for a ride in the North and jokingly said "I make the rules!"

When a politician makes that kind of joke, they should not been complaining is some media commentators jump on them. Do you really think that the meida would be silent if someone else was doing it? Edited April 30, 2011 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

So, in your opinion, would you say the CBC is fair equally fair to all three national parties?

I haven`t seen anything to convince me otherwise. But then, I am not coming at it from a view point that even asking questions to a Conservative leader is a form of bias.

Now, your turn. Your contention that the CTV is biased against the Conservatives stems from... all those years they had Mike Duffy?

[TimG]

Warren Kinsela has some interesting things to say:

http://warrenkinsella.com/

A Sun reporter called me about this story yesterday afternoon. Before he could even describe what it was about – he said it involved “a major political figure and the police” – I told him I already knew what it was about. In Toronto, and amongst many political people, this story has been pretty well-known for years. Someone came to me about it two years ago. I looked at what they had, thought about it for about sixty seconds, and then urged this person to forget all about it

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Two, the bigger scandal, here, remains unaddressed: at the time he was detained, Jack Layton was a city councillor on the City of Toronto’s budget committee, which has power over the police budget. The cops knew who he was, they knew the power he wielded over them. So what did they do? They walked him to the back door, and let him pedal away. Were the other men found at that place given that kind of treatment? If not, what happened here is a bona fide scandal, one that Toronto taxpayers need have probed, the passage of time notwithstanding.

[lukin]

I haven`t seen anything to convince me otherwise. But then, I am not coming at it from a view point that even asking questions to a Conservative leader is a form of bias.

Now, your turn. Your contention that the CTV is biased against the Conservatives stems from... all those years they had Mike Duffy?

I will agree the Mike Duffy was a Conservative supporter when he worked for CTV. However, he had much competition with Liberals Jane taber, Bob Fife, Craig Oliver, Tom Clark....etc. So yes, i would say CTV had/has a liberal bias, which is fine because they are private. I don't pay for them to spew their bias. I have no choice with the useless CBC.

[Ottawavalleyboy]

Warren Kinsela has some interesting things to say:

http://warrenkinsella.com/

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I have to agree with the second part. Its a suspected rub parlour, they raid it and let him go. Fair enough, what happened to the rest of the men there? If this was a proven rub house and they let him go, did he exert his influence as a councillor to get out of trouble. The only way to judge this would be to know whether their were arrests in the raid. As far as licensed massage parlour and asian rub and tugs I think its pretty obvious from one to the other when you walk in the door. Do they have to be licensed masseuses for the parlour to have a license? If they are not licensed masseuses in the parlour to me that would be a big strike. Like I said though, none of this story really holds water when we dont know if there were any proven charges or arrests on the raid.

edit: and yes to previous conversations the CBC is HUGELY biased to the left and always has been.

Edited April 30, 2011 by Ottawavalleyboy

[CANADIEN]

I will agree the Mike Duffy was a Conservative supporter when he worked for CTV. However, he had much competition with Liberals Jane taber, Bob Fife, Craig Oliver, Tom Clark....etc. So yes, i would say CTV had/has a liberal bias, which is fine because they are private. I don't pay for them to spew their bias. I have no choice with the useless CBC.

By Liberal we are to understand anybody who doesn't praise the Conservative government day in and day out.

Or perhaps you have a problem with the scrutiny that the government is subjected too? It's the government. They will be subjected to more scrutiny - that goes with the territoy. If it were the NDP in power, I would expect exactly the same, and I am quite sure that's what would happen.

As for the CBC being biased towrds the left - which media first mentioned that the NDP constitution is nowhere to be found on their Website? Yep, that's right.

Edited April 30, 2011 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Warren Kinsela has some interesting things to say:

http://warrenkinsella.com/

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Interesting quote from Kinsella, about the fact Layton was on the City of Toronto's budget committee at the time he was detained.

Technically, he wasn't detained. Most importantly, Layton was elected in 1994 as a member of METRO council.

[TimG]

Interesting quote from Kinsella, about the fact Layton was on the City of Toronto's budget committee at the time he was detained.

And the original Sun story quotes a cop saying they would have loved to charge him but they couldn't. I don't think his last comments make much sense.

What was more interesting is how this story was deep sixed 2 years ago but the media outlets.

[punked]

And the original Sun story quotes a cop saying they would have loved to charge him but they couldn't. I don't think his last comments make much sense.

What was more interesting is how this story was deep sixed 2 years ago but the media outlets.

Its because they couldn't legally get the cops note book. The sun still didn't get it legally but they don't care.

[CANADIEN]

And the original Sun story quotes a cop saying they would have loved to charge him but they couldn't. I don't think his last comments make much sense.

What was more interesting is how this story was deep sixed 2 years ago but the media outlets.

Even Kinsella admits he didn't want to touch it then. It's more toxic to anyone leaking the story than to Layton - especially considering that there is nothing indicating that Layton was engaging in an illegal act.

Also, I find it telling that, apparently, nothing new has surfaced from 2 years ago. surely, at least one journalist in the country must have thought that they should dig deeper.

Edited April 30, 2011 by CANADIEN

[Evening Star]

So, in your opinion, would you say the CBC is fair equally fair to all three national parties?

Um, yeah, to a fault, actually. Look at Power and Politics: Nothing is ever discussed without having one person representing each party's perspective.