Shady Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 How can you claim that Layton is going to increase spending without increasing revenue for it when in the very next sentence you say he plans to increase revenue? You have no credibility. The taxes he plans to raise, don't come close to covering the massive spending increases he's insisting upon. His tax increases will only provide for a slower growing economy, and a less competitive Canadian business community. Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 The taxes he plans to raise, don't come close to covering the massive spending increases he's insisting upon. His tax increases will only provide for a slower growing economy, and a less competitive Canadian business community. I'm still curious, with the likelihood of another minority government, why you think anyone's proclamations mean a damned thing. Quote
Shady Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 I'm still curious, with the likelihood of another minority government, why you think anyone's proclamations mean a damned thing. That's a completely different matter. Whether they mean something or not doesn't discount the similarity between Layton now, and Rae then. Quote
nittanylionstorm07 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) Whatever floats your boat, but the 13 million people in Ontario don't really give a crap about Saskatchewan politics. and 20 million others outside of Ontario care about Ontario governments? We can do this all day. Edited April 27, 2011 by nittanylionstorm07 Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 That's a completely different matter. Whether they mean something or not doesn't discount the similarity between Layton now, and Rae then. You haven't even drawn up any meaningful similarities. You've just simply reiterated Tory talking points. And I stand by what I say, none of what these guys are saying right now is going to be worth a steaming pile of dog crap come May 3rd. What's going to count then is who can negotiate they're way into government, and manage to keep that going for some length of time, which means any proposed policies and promises are akin to battle plans, and will not likely survive contact with the enemy. You're not going to scare supporters from the NDP by bringing up Bob Rae. The connection between the various branches of the NDP is sufficiently distant that no straight line is possible. Beyond that, it's not like Harper's platform is some sort of fine-oiled machine, it's as questionable as any of them. Quote
CPCFTW Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) How can you claim that Layton is going to increase spending without increasing revenue for it when in the very next sentence you say he plans to increase revenue? You have no credibility. My platform: Tax corporations at 100% = 5x more tax revenues. Simple economics! Improve health care: free everything. Quintuple pensions for retirees. Give small businesses $50,000 in tax credits for new hires. Send everyone in Canada a cheque for $20,000/yr. Cap credit card rates at prime - 3%... they should be paying us to borrow from them. Build new arenas in every major city. Install solar panels on top of every building in Canada. Do I have your vote yet? Edited April 27, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
TimG Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 Your desperation is showing.It is just frustration at the complete ignorance of economics demostrated by so many NDP supporters. It took 20 years to get this country on a sound footing and now people want to piss it away by putting socialists in charge. I had thought Canadians were smarter than that. But it appears I was wrong. Quote
Smallc Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 The NDP won't govern as socialists. They'll govern as middle of the road as any other party will. They'll simply have different priorities. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 It is just frustration at the complete ignorance of economics demostrated by so many NDP supporters. It took 20 years to get this country on a sound footing and now people want to piss it away by putting socialists in charge. I had thought Canadians were smarter than that. But it appears I was wrong. Actually, it only took 10 years to put Canada on the right footing with Paul Martin as Finance Minister. It only took two years, preceding the economic collapse, for the Conservatives to piss it away. You seem to have the memory of a goldfish. Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 It is just frustration at the complete ignorance of economics demostrated by so many NDP supporters. It took 20 years to get this country on a sound footing and now people want to piss it away by putting socialists in charge. I had thought Canadians were smarter than that. But it appears I was wrong. Nobody is going to have an absolute command of the piggy bank. The likelihoods of an NDP government still seem slim to me, but if it happens, it's going to be a minority or a coalition. More than likely the Tories will win another minority, but they're going to have to offer some new accommodations to save themselves from being turfed over the Throne Speech. Surely Stephen Harper, a man who has ran a minority government for two terms already can manage that, no? Quote
Smallc Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 So....are Canadians scared of the coalition? http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/27/go-to-second-leader-for-pm-if-government-falls-again-poll/ Maybe not. Quote
Shwa Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 and 20 million others outside of Ontario care about Ontario governments? We can do this all day. Those that have a clue do, especially when it comes to Bob Rae and the job he did in the largest and richest province in Canada. Quote
Shwa Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 Just like Rae, Layton has promised massive new spending without a way to pay for it . Just like Rae, Layton has promised to increase taxes and make Canada (instead of just Ontario) less competitive. Just like Rae, Layton will take more and more money out of the private sector, and pour into the public sector. It's all a replay of the early 90s. Oh I get it, you are speculating and generalizing, but not actually providing anything like a coherent comparative analysis or anything. For a second there I thought you were serious. Quote
nittanylionstorm07 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 Those that have a clue do, especially when it comes to Bob Rae and the job he did in the largest and richest province in Canada. lol. You are hilarious. Grant Devine. Quote
Shwa Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 lol. You are hilarious. Grant Devine. Grant who? Saskatchewhat? Do they even have a football team there? Quote
Scotty Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 The NDP won't govern as socialists. They'll govern as middle of the road as any other party will. They'll simply have different priorities. Like expanding Bill 101 to please Quebec nationalists. Like expanding the federal human rights act to give it broader powers to prevent offensive speech. Like putting in place a massively expensive environmental policy even worse than what McGuinty has done in Ontario. Like bringing in national daycare, regardless of cost. Like bringing in quota systems for hiring and promoting their preferred constituency (ie, minorities) Like accepting the credentials of the new embassies from Hezbollah and Hamas, and declaring Canada a safe haven for American draft dodgers. Like expanding immigration to allow the easier immigration of elderly foreigners, and widening the acceptance of refugees for almost any reason. Seriously, can anyone imagine that a person arriving in Canada from anywhere who says he was persecuted because he was gay being turned away under an NDP government? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) Yeah, all of those things. Most of those things are either official NDP policy, or grow out of official NDP policy. Not that YOU, of course, would have ever bothered to read what NDP policies are. Your vote was based on the neato shiny colours of their signs, and that everyone was talking about them as the next big thing you had to get in on quick. Edited April 27, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
ToadBrother Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 Like expanding Bill 101 to please Quebec nationalists. Like expanding the federal human rights act to give it broader powers to prevent offensive speech. Like putting in place a massively expensive environmental policy even worse than what McGuinty has done in Ontario. Like bringing in national daycare, regardless of cost. Like bringing in quota systems for hiring and promoting their preferred constituency (ie, minorities) Like accepting the credentials of the new embassies from Hezbollah and Hamas, and declaring Canada a safe haven for American draft dodgers. Like expanding immigration to allow the easier immigration of elderly foreigners, and widening the acceptance of refugees for almost any reason. Seriously, can anyone imagine that a person arriving in Canada from anywhere who says he was persecuted because he was gay being turned away under an NDP government? Assuming somehow the NDP do form a government, it would be a minority, then the rest of Parliament, if these things get on the Order Paper, can vote them down. It's not like the NDP would, in fact, have a majority that they could just force these things through. Quote
Smallc Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 Not that YOU, of course, would have ever bothered to read what NDP policies are. Your vote was based on the neato shiny colours of their signs, and that everyone was talking about them as the next big thing you had to get in on quick. I did (and still do) want the NDP to become the official opposition. I'm starting to think that they may in fact form the government. I'm not afraid of that. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 Like expanding Bill 101 to please Quebec nationalists. Like expanding the federal human rights act to give it broader powers to prevent offensive speech. Like putting in place a massively expensive environmental policy even worse than what McGuinty has done in Ontario. Like bringing in national daycare, regardless of cost. Like bringing in quota systems for hiring and promoting their preferred constituency (ie, minorities) Like accepting the credentials of the new embassies from Hezbollah and Hamas, and declaring Canada a safe haven for American draft dodgers. Like expanding immigration to allow the easier immigration of elderly foreigners, and widening the acceptance of refugees for almost any reason. Seriously, can anyone imagine that a person arriving in Canada from anywhere who says he was persecuted because he was gay being turned away under an NDP government? You're aware that these things have a purpose, right? Just because you think there should be no government whatsoever, unless it's just a massive military and a bunch of laws controlling people's social lives, doesn't mean that everyone else agrees with you. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 I did (and still do) want the NDP to become the official opposition. I'm starting to think that they may in fact form the government. I'm not afraid of that. If this upward trend of support holds true, the NDP will in fact become the next government. Strangely, I agree with you, its a good thing for all. The people as a whole may have decided to grow a spine and voice their opinions. Those folks may in fact support the NDP. Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 I did (and still do) want the NDP to become the official opposition. I'm starting to think that they may in fact form the government. I'm not afraid of that. I'm not either. It would be a minority so the worst excesses would be restrained. This is not a majority with four or five years to do whatever it likes. Quote
Smallc Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 I'm not either. It would be a minority so the worst excesses would be restrained. This is not a majority with four or five years to do whatever it likes. And to be honest I think that the NDP would quite quickly turn pragmatic. They'd take their lessons from Gary Doer and Darrel Dexter. Quote
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