punked Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 Seriously, punked? You'd prefer all-out Friedmanism to what we have now? No I am saying we shouldn't spend big in good times then spend even bigger in bad times. Using two different systems brings out the worse in each. I don't think we should let the magic hand of the market catch or push out the meek. However I am saying that if we did do that everything would be more predictable. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 No I am saying we shouldn't spend big in good times then spend even bigger in bad times. Using two different systems brings out the worse in each. I don't think we should let the magic hand of the market catch or push out the meek. However I am saying that if we did do that everything would be more predictable. I don't know if the NDP is still pushing it, by I seem to remember years ago, Layton talking about a guaranteed income for the poor. Friedman did combine his negative income tax, which is simliar I suppose, with his flat tax proposals. In the early 70s, Nixon of all people, nearly got it through congess. In my view, an idea such as this, would be better for low income Canadians as opposed to straight welfare. Quote
bloodyminded Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 I am a true conservative. Both fiscally and socially conservative. One must be both to call them conservative. Anything else is just a socialist wearing a blue shirt. I wasn't criticizing you. I thought someone was asking if you were a leftie--since you (wisely) advocate for the NDP over the Liberals--so I was setting the record straight. I'm no Right-winger, god knows, but I don't consider the label to be an insult. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) I would agree with you 100% (we found something LOL) that this half ass approach doesn't work. I prefer the Chicago model for the reason I've outlined. I feel Friedman was right on his apporach that government should play only a very limited hand in the economy. I will conceide (like Friedman) that government does have a small role, namely enforcing laws/contracts and protecting the people from monopolies, government ones especially though. Since Friedman supported Pinochet, I'd say he certainly thinks government has "a role," albeit not one that will ding taxpayers as heavily. Pinochet certainly dinged them in ways that make taxes look like paradise, however. Edited April 25, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
betsy Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 I'm rooting for Jack to be the official opposition. He is surely working his bumbum off in this campaign....but I worry about his health. He looks tired lately. Quote
Scotty Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 No, the guy saying everyone not voting for Harper, "our father," as he calls him, should vote for Layton. Mr. Canada is far, far to the Right of, oh, say, you for example. Why would a far rightest tell people to vote for Layton? I would vote for Ignatieff way before I would vote for Layton. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Evening Star Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 i) Ideologues often tend to have more respect for people who seem ideologically driven, regardless of the ideology, than for wishy-washy centrists. ii) Strategically, a polarized two-party system would be in the CPC's long-term interest. Quote
Scotty Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 I'm going to stop you right there because no company says "If people will pay 20 dollars now for something then if the government cuts my taxes I will only make them pay 19 dollars for it." Sorry it doesn't happen. Prices are set by a number of market forces and with many companies and products the taxes that company will pay is a very very very small part of that. Taxes are a cost of doing business. All costs of doing business contribute to the cost of whatever item or service that business provides to the public. The higher the taxes, the higher the cost of the service. Don't tax them. Tax the owners when they are paid a profit, or let the businesses expand. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 Price elasticity of demand and tax incidence. Look them up because what you said is only true sometimes. There's only two things they can do with that money, pay it in profits to the owners/shareholders - who should then be taxed, or use it to plow it back into the company, which is a good thing. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
betsy Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 Where on a political bias scale would you people (dang, all the other forums I visit are male dominated. nice to see lots of ladies here but using "people" rather than "guys?") rate Don Martin? I find him neutral. Quote
betsy Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 You have got to be joking. The NDP (the left) is usually far more willing to make a deal than any other party. Making deals. Actually that's what I'm afraid of. Of course Liberals aren't too far behind. Quote
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