Rick Posted April 23, 2011 Author Report Posted April 23, 2011 Your posting is a brilliant example of your infant-like logic and your rabid attempts to convince people of things they don't agree with you about. Shouldn't you be starting another topic about something equally idiotic right now? Resorting to personal attacks now? Right in line with what one expects of the Harper bandwagon.As for starting idiotic topics....I'll leave that for the moonbat right wing wackos here. It's their forte. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
punked Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Listen I have worked on campaigns all over the country. I really don't think this is anyones campaign or their workers doing this. This is some hoodlum trying to get attention from their parents or something. To blame this on anyone with out proof however is wrong. That isn't the Canada I have grown up in. Quote
Rick Posted April 23, 2011 Author Report Posted April 23, 2011 Listen I have worked on campaigns all over the country. I really don't think this is anyones campaign or their workers doing this. This is some hoodlum trying to get attention from their parents or something. To blame this on anyone with out proof however is wrong. That isn't the Canada I have grown up in. punked, you've got to keep in mind that the Harper crew is heavily influenced by the Bush republicans/ tea party. Of course this isn't the Canada you grew up in. It's being run into the ground by Harper's band of fascists. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
punked Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 punked, you've got to keep in mind that the Harper crew is heavily influenced by the Bush republicans/ tea party. Of course this isn't the Canada you grew up in. It's being run into the ground by Harper's band of fascists. Listen I have met many Conservatives at the door, and run into their campaigners on the ground they don't strike me as knuckle dragers. They seem like people who love their country and believe the best thing for it are conservative policies. We chat I tell I don't agree with them one bit, shake hands and move on. Maybe things are different in Toronto but I'll tell you the only angry people have I met this campaign more so then any other when I say NDP are Liberals. Slamming doors in my face, yelling at me, telling me I don't know anything. Even them I don't think would resort to this. Quote
betsy Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 More Voter intimidation by Harper's goon squad .... Let me put it this way. Who's desperately scrambling to move up the polls? Who's in danger of becoming the third party? Who's been desperately digging up dirt from 2004, from 2005, from 2008. Who's complaining about anything...the Conservatives could hardly toot without the Liberals making an issue of everything! Who's the #1 baby-whiner? Ha-ha-ha, I'd put my money it's the Liberals who's doing this so-called vandalism! That's an old cheap trick in banana republics! Quote
Rick Posted April 23, 2011 Author Report Posted April 23, 2011 Let me put it this way. Who's desperately scrambling to move up the polls? Who's in danger of becoming the third party? Who's been desperately digging up dirt from 2004, from 2005, from 2008. Who's complaining about anything...the Conservatives could hardly toot without the Liberals making an issue of everything! Who's the #1 baby-whiner? Ha-ha-ha, I'd put my money it's the Liberals who's doing this so-called vandalism! That's an old cheap trick in banana republics! Who's desperate to have their omnipotent leader finally achieve his majority at all costs. Who are the party most closely associated with and desciples of the Republicans from down south who have made this type of campaigning their specialty..complete with rigged elections..see Florida.Bannana republic is an accurate description of Canada under Harper's fascist tin pot dicatator rule. Especially given his disdain and contempt for our parliamentary system and constitution. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Wild Bill Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Who's desperate to have their omnipotent leader finally achieve his majority at all costs. Who are the party most closely associated with and desciples of the Republicans from down south who have made this type of campaigning their specialty..complete with rigged elections..see Florida. Bannana republic is an accurate description of Canada under Harper's fascist tin pot dicatator rule. Especially given his disdain and contempt for our parliamentary system and constitution. I took the liberty of contacting the mother ship for the source of your partisan arguments: " [clop clop] ARTHUR: Old woman! DENNIS: Man! ARTHUR: Old Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there? DENNIS: I'm thirty seven. ARTHUR: What? DENNIS: I'm thirty seven -- I'm not old! ARTHUR: Well, I can't just call you `Man'. DENNIS: Well, you could say `Dennis'. ARTHUR: Well, I didn't know you were called `Dennis.' DENNIS: Well, you didn't bother to find out, did you? ARTHUR: I did say sorry about the `old woman,' but from the behind you looked-- DENNIS: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior! ARTHUR: Well, I AM king... DENNIS: Oh king, eh, very nice. An' how'd you get that, eh? By exploitin' the workers -- by 'angin' on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic an' social differences in our society! If there's ever going to be any progress-- WOMAN: Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here. Oh -- how d'you do? ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Who's castle is that? WOMAN: King of the who? ARTHUR: The Britons. WOMAN: Who are the Britons? ARTHUR: Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king. WOMAN: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective. DENNIS: You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes-- WOMAN: Oh there you go, bringing class into it again. DENNIS: That's what it's all about if only people would-- ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle? WOMAN: No one lives there. ARTHUR: Then who is your lord? WOMAN: We don't have a lord. ARTHUR: What? DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. ARTHUR: Yes. DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. ARTHUR: Yes, I see. DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,-- ARTHUR: Be quiet! DENNIS: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more-- ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet! WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is? ARTHUR: I am your king! WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you. ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings. WOMAN: Well, 'ow did you become king then? ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king! DENNIS: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. ARTHUR: Be quiet! DENNIS: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you! ARTHUR: Shut up! DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away! ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up! DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. ARTHUR: Shut up! DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed! ARTHUR: Bloody peasant! DENNIS: Oh, what a give away. Did you hear that, did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me, you saw it didn't you?" Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Mr.Canada Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Who's desperate to have their omnipotent leader finally achieve his majority at all costs. Who are the party most closely associated with and desciples of the Republicans from down south who have made this type of campaigning their specialty..complete with rigged elections..see Florida. Bannana republic is an accurate description of Canada under Harper's fascist tin pot dicatator rule. Especially given his disdain and contempt for our parliamentary system and constitution. Spadina- Trinity Liberal signs were also vandalized. That riding is between the NDP and Liberals only. Did the Tories still vandalize those in that riding as well? Banana Republics occur when people pay no taxes and governments offer no services. Taxes in Canada are very high so this doesn't fit, sorry. Explain how PM Harper has been like a dictator. In dictatorships t heir are no fair elections. Are you implying that Elections Canada is under the control of the Harper Government? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Spadina- Trinity Liberal signs were also vandalized. That riding is between the NDP and Liberals only. Did the Tories still vandalize those in that riding as well? Banana Republics occur when people pay no taxes and governments offer no services. Taxes in Canada are very high so this doesn't fit, sorry. Explain how PM Harper has been like a dictator. In dictatorships t heir are no fair elections. Are you implying that Elections Canada is under the control of the Harper Government? I think the story here is how many Liberals across the country are playing the victim because Canadians wont just accept that they are the best. They have run real campaigns that the Conservatives and NDP have run for years. Our signs get up rooted, or voters targeted we are just use to it, now the Liberals for the first time in many ridings know what a campaign feels like and are running to the media to tell them it is tough. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 I think the story here is how many Liberals across the country are playing the victim because Canadians wont just accept that they are the best. They have run real campaigns that the Conservatives and NDP have run for years. Our signs get up rooted, or voters targeted we are just use to it, now the Liberals for the first time in many ridings know what a campaign feels like and are running to the media to tell them it is tough. Sounds about right to me punked. Just more arrogance from "Canada's natural governing party". Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Bryan Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Funny how the Liberals always accuse Conservatives of vandalism. We all know which party is the one that does these things: Liberal volunteer charged in connection with theft of Tory signs Quote
Rick Posted April 23, 2011 Author Report Posted April 23, 2011 Spadina- Trinity Liberal signs were also vandalized. That riding is between the NDP and Liberals only. Did the Tories still vandalize those in that riding as well? Banana Republics occur when people pay no taxes and governments offer no services. Taxes in Canada are very high so this doesn't fit, sorry. Explain how PM Harper has been like a dictator. In dictatorships t heir are no fair elections. Are you implying that Elections Canada is under the control of the Harper Government? Hey maybe you'd understand it better if you read your own principled Conservative friends explaining it Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
scribblet Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) Hey maybe you'd understand it better if you read your own principled Conservative friends explaining it That forum is not representative of most Conservatives IMO, it is mainly the far right socialist=conservative, anti abortion crowd, who now hate Harper because he doesn't support abortion. When you have actual proof come back. Edited April 24, 2011 by scribblet Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
bloodyminded Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 That forum is not representative of most Conservatives IMO, it is mainly the far right socialist=conservative, anti abortion crowd, who now hate Harper because he doesn't support abortion. When you have actual proof come back. Well, now you know how your average Lefty feels when y'all talk about this monolithic, same-minded entity you call "the Left." Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
scribblet Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 Funny that it was a Liberal being charged with possession of stolen property e.g. conservative lawn signs LOL Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Shakeyhands Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 Explain how PM Harper has been like a dictator. Not familiar with why this Gov't fell huh... not surprising. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
AngusThermopyle Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 Just look at the way the Conservatives have tried to use intimdation tactics throughout Harper's reign of terror... Would someone in the know be so kind as to explain this statement to me? In all honesty I personally do not feel terrorized by Harper or Conservatives in general, nor do I know of anyone who has been terrorized by Harper or Conservatives. Have they been sending death squads out and abducting people from their homes in the middle of the night or something and I just didn't hear about it yet? Or perhaps black leather clad Conservatives have been congregating on busy street corners glaring at the young and elderly, giving them the finger and so on? Does anyone have more info about this reign of terror? Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
Mr.Canada Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 Not familiar with why this Gov't fell huh... not surprising. So the answer is no, you cannot tell me how Harper is like a dictator. I want to see a direct link of how Harper is like Stalin who killed millions of people who opposed him. Or even like Fidel Castro who jailed people indefinitely and sometimes killed his political opponents. These are dictators. Explain how Harper is like them and their actions. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Scotty Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 I hate to break it to you Scotty but Chretien's not running for public office. No, he's not, he's just out campaigning arm in arm, with Ignatieff. Really, you Conservatives should try and move past the worn out "but the Liberals did so and so when they were in power" excuse for your party's disgraceful record of their own. You mean the imaginary disgrace you gutter dwellers keep flinging up like muck hoping desperately some of it will stick? Talk about dishonesty... Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 punked, you've got to keep in mind that the Harper crew is heavily influenced by the Bush republicans/ tea party. Of course this isn't the Canada you grew up in. It's being run into the ground by Harper's band of fascists. What we bear in mind is how heavily influenced the NDP is by "heroes" like Fidel Castro and Che Guevera, and how eager they are to get their hands on the tax kitty so they can right what they perceive to be the world's wrongs. I wonder how long, presuming the country was ever insane enough to grant them power, till we had mandatory employment equity quotas in all industries. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 Bannana republic is an accurate description of Canada under Harper's fascist tin pot dicatator rule. Especially given his disdain and contempt for our parliamentary system and constitution. It's funny to hear an NDP supporter complain about Harper economics! As if the NDP knows the first thing about economics! How about telling us how you guys are gonna pay for those thousands of new doctors and nurses? Oh wait, HIGHER TAXES! Right?! Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
punked Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 It's funny to hear an NDP supporter complain about Harper economics! As if the NDP knows the first thing about economics! How about telling us how you guys are gonna pay for those thousands of new doctors and nurses? Oh wait, HIGHER TAXES! Right?! Are higher taxes not a real solution? You act like raising tax rates are impossible or that they don't bring in more money. If Canadians want more doctors and are willing to vote for a party that will get them by raising taxes then that is what Canadians should get. Sorry your opinion is not the only one that matters. Quote
Scotty Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 Are higher taxes not a real solution? You act like raising tax rates are impossible or that they don't bring in more money. If Canadians want more doctors and are willing to vote for a party that will get them by raising taxes then that is what Canadians should get. Sorry your opinion is not the only one that matters. The problem with simplistic answers is they don't take any notice of corresponding effects which can be far reaching. An example would be minimum wage raises. To the left, it seems a no-brainer that raising the minimum wage is a good thing. All they think about are the people currently earning minimum wage, and how much better off they'll be if the rate is raised. Thinking about the difficulties of businesses trying to pay wages isn't in them. Thinking about how that will cause businesses to look for automation to get rid of jobs, thinking of the effect on all the other jobs, which will have to be bumped up in price, and the corresponding effect on employment and inflation - that's too complicated. They don't want to hear that stuff. So to an NDPer, sure, raise taxes. Why not? Affects? That's not something to bother worrying about. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
punked Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 The problem with simplistic answers is they don't take any notice of corresponding effects which can be far reaching. An example would be minimum wage raises. To the left, it seems a no-brainer that raising the minimum wage is a good thing. All they think about are the people currently earning minimum wage, and how much better off they'll be if the rate is raised. Thinking about the difficulties of businesses trying to pay wages isn't in them. Thinking about how that will cause businesses to look for automation to get rid of jobs, thinking of the effect on all the other jobs, which will have to be bumped up in price, and the corresponding effect on employment and inflation - that's too complicated. They don't want to hear that stuff. So to an NDPer, sure, raise taxes. Why not? Affects? That's not something to bother worrying about. You really only see one side of an argument don't you? Yes those on the left realize that raising taxes/minimum wage have effects. We also understand their needs to a balance you can't cut taxes to 0 (just because tax cut good, no tax cut bad uggg uggg). There is a balance where the economy continues to grow at the same rate but where everyone pays their fair share. It is a lesson in game theory. If you think the left is wrong because (tax hike bad) that is fine you still haven't given me a reason why. It has to be reasonable but if we want more doctors then we have to pay for them somehow. Quote
bloodyminded Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 The problem with simplistic answers is they don't take any notice of corresponding effects which can be far reaching. An example would be minimum wage raises. To the left, it seems a no-brainer that raising the minimum wage is a good thing. All they think about are the people currently earning minimum wage, and how much better off they'll be if the rate is raised. Thinking about the difficulties of businesses trying to pay wages isn't in them. Thinking about how that will cause businesses to look for automation to get rid of jobs, thinking of the effect on all the other jobs, which will have to be bumped up in price, and the corresponding effect on employment and inflation - that's too complicated. They don't want to hear that stuff. So to an NDPer, sure, raise taxes. Why not? Affects? That's not something to bother worrying about. Not just to an NDPer--even if you're right, periodically raising the minimum wage is a no-brainer in terms of popular political support, because the vast majority of people quite automatically accept the idea. That in itself doesn't even slightly prove you wrong...but it certainly shatters your implicaiton that it is sheerly a sop to the Left. It isn't. It's thoroughly mainstream, to the point where arguing against it sounds fringe, radical. At any rate, the idea of not raising the minimum wage also simplistically avoids many serious repercussions, as surely you have considered in your admonishment against "simplistic answers." Because inflation is not solely tied to a rise in minimum wage; their are other factors, of course. So if minimum wage is never hiked, it is objectively a decrease in wages over the years, relative to costs of living. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
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