scouterjim Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Watching the news this evening, and Ignatieff is now saying that a coalition with the NDP is possible. Isn't this the man who just last week said there was no way he would form a coalition government? The man changes his mind more than his underwear. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
ToadBrother Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Watching the news this evening, and Ignatieff is now saying that a coalition with the NDP is possible. Isn't this the man who just last week said there was no way he would form a coalition government? The man changes his mind more than his underwear. I thought his previous statement was ludicrous. Frankly, anyone who makes a statement "I won't form a coalition" during an election campaign is off their rocker. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 He's grasping at straws now. While he might (I don't know for certain) be a great academic, he has failed miserably as a politician. I'm afraid, however, that it may not entirely be his fault. He seems to just be the spokesperson for the Liberal Party's brass. They need to seriously reconsider their approach after this election. Quote
jbg Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 He's grasping at straws now. While he might (I don't know for certain) be a great academic, he has failed miserably as a politician. I'm afraid, however, that it may not entirely be his fault. He seems to just be the spokesperson for the Liberal Party's brass. They need to seriously reconsider their approach after this election. I agree. It's the party's approach. Paul Martin didn't become "Mr. Dithers" by accident. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Roger Steele Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Michael Ignatieff is his own worst enemy in this campaign. For such an intelligent person it's too bad he doesn't think before he talks. Do we really want a Prime Minister who shoots from the lip? Quote
scouterjim Posted April 21, 2011 Author Report Posted April 21, 2011 Michael Ignatieff is his own worst enemy in this campaign. For such an intelligent person it's too bad he doesn't think before he talks. Do we really want a Prime Minister who shoots from the lip? His party isn't getting my vote anyway. Nor is his possible "coalition partner". Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Topaz Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Harper has made the "coalition" a dirty word because he uses the Bloc within it. Michael has said that he would work with all parties and any party that is in a coalition should. The Bloc is no threat to the government of Canada, so I wish Harper would drop the coalition bit, its getting sicking. For those who haven't seen the letter Harper wrote in 2004 for his coalition here's the letter. http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=260348091419&topic=15672 Quote
August1991 Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Watching the news this evening, and Ignatieff is now saying that a coalition with the NDP is possible. Isn't this the man who just last week said there was no way he would form a coalition government? The man changes his mind more than his underwear. Do you have a cite for that claim? Or are you simply quoting a talk radio broadcast? A Toronto all-news radio station spent Wednesday informing its listeners that Michael Ignatieff had threatened to form a coalition government if he loses the election, and announced it was devoting “in-depth team coverage” to the issue (which consisted of sending a reporter to the corner of Yonge and Bloor to stop random passers-by and ask their opinion.).Mr. Ignatieff had made no such threat, of course. All he did, when asked by Peter Mansbridge on the CBC, was deliver an honest and well-informed lecture of the options open to the opposition parties when an election ends with no party holding a majority. National Post Quote
Topaz Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 I, personally, would like to see another minority government with the NDP or the Libs. The two leader are very capable of working with other parties but its the Tories under Harper who wants to be king. Harper has proven over and over gain, its all about HIM and NOT the country. Harper is being judged as PM for the last 5-6 years and he's had more corruption going on than the 13 years of the Liberals. The uphill battle for any party is the deficit and how to get rid of it and still maintain social programs for Canadians. I like to know where the 11 Billions the Tories are going to get rid of coming from. Harper is very quirt on a lot of issues. Quote
capricorn Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Harper is being judged as PM for the last 5-6 years and he's had more corruption going on than the 13 years of the Liberals. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Scotty Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 I, personally, would like to see another minority government with the NDP or the Libs. I'm guessing you don't pay taxes. Harper is being judged as PM for the last 5-6 years and he's had more corruption going on than the 13 years of the Liberals. Got Alzheimers, do you? Some kind of mental defect which doesn't allow you to remember anything done more than five years ago? Tell you what, I'll pick three liberal scandals at random and you match them with the Tory scandal that was as bad or worse. Does that sound fair? Sponsorship. The Liberal party repeatedly let contracts for no work to companies which then kicked back a percentage of the profit to the Liberal Party of Canada. This money was given to Liberal bag men at dark Italian restaurants in plain brown envelopes. The temperature at the restaurants was turned up so people would take off their coats and wires could be detected more raadily. BDBC. Jean Chretien personally called Francois Beaudoin, then head of the Business Development Bank of Canada to pressure him to loan a quarter million dollars to a business associate of Chretien's, an ex-con who had bought the hotel next to the infamous golf course. Reluctantly, Beaudoin agreed, but the ex-con never paid a single penny back. After multiple missing payments, Beaudoin moved to foreclose and Chretien immediately despatched his number one hatchet man Jean Carle to take over. Beaudoin is forced out after negotiating a severance deal. The next month, the bank renegs on the severance deal and the RCMP spend $4 million trying to have him arrested and imprisoned. A quebec judge later terms the way Beaudoin was treated an "unspeakable injustice". Not one penny of the quarter million ever gets repaid to the public. Chretien's buddy is charged with arson in burning down the hotel, but is acquitted. Assault. During an outdoor speech in Gatineau, Chretien became incensed at hecklers, jumped off the stage and stormed off, not even waiting for his RCMP bodyguards. One hapless protestor, a head shorter than him, wasn't fast enough to get out of his way and Chretien assaulted him, grabbing him by the throat breaking his glasses and chipping his tooth. Chretien later blames the mounties. You go right ahead and find the Tory equivalents. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Watching the news this evening, and Ignatieff is now saying that a coalition with the NDP is possible. Isn't this the man who just last week said there was no way he would form a coalition government? The man changes his mind more than his underwear. We should start seriously examining what a cap and trade system will cost Canada. It's in the Liberal campaign book, and you can bet the NDP and BQ will insist it be implemented, probably in a stronger, tougher manner than the book promises. I don't believe any oil producing nation has put such a scheme in place before, and I'm wondering what that's going to do to the oil and gas industry. Since Ignateiff's pie in the sky provincial counterpart Dalton McGuinty has already pretty much wrecked Ontario's economy by hiking taxes and doubling electricity prices the oil industry is what's driving our economy. Now ignatieff wants to put a muzzle on it, halt all further development, and see how many punitive taxes he and his socialist brethren can load it down with. What's that going to do to Canada's economy? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Topaz Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Scotty, yes I do pay taxes and under the Tories anyone working is paying for taxes. When a foreign company decided to put the screws to the workers, my family went from a paycheque to EI and then to a small company pension, which amounts to half of what we were making and still we have to pay 1000.00 in income tax. That company pension, takes away any increases from CPP we would get. As far as corruption, every party has them. The Adscam was wrong and the Liberal support voted against the party and now we have Harper who promised a whole new clean party (Conservative/reform/alliance/party) better known as CRAP. That's exactly what this party is crap. Four memebers up on election fraud, Carson scam, Harper's communication guy invloved in the Montreal port deal, the "not", bribing a member to vote your way, on and on and on. Quote
wyly Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Harper has made the "coalition" a dirty word because he uses the Bloc within it. Michael has said that he would work with all parties and any party that is in a coalition should. The Bloc is no threat to the government of Canada, so I wish Harper would drop the coalition bit, its getting sicking. For those who haven't seen the letter Harper wrote in 2004 for his coalition here's the letter. http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=260348091419&topic=15672 oh hell just post the letter!Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson,C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D. Governor General Rideau Hall 1 Sussex Drive Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A1 Excellency, As leaders of the opposition parties, we are well aware that, given the Liberal minority government, you could be asked by the Prime Minister to dissolve the 38th Parliament at any time should the House of Commons fail to support some part of the government's program. We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority. Your attention to this matter is appreciated. Sincerely, Hon. Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P. Leader of the Opposition Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada just what was that option if not an election? ya that's right it was the 2nd place party forming a government with the support of the BLOC! Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Topaz Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 We should start seriously examining what a cap and trade system will cost Canada. It's in the Liberal campaign book, and you can bet the NDP and BQ will insist it be implemented, probably in a stronger, tougher manner than the book promises. I don't believe any oil producing nation has put such a scheme in place before, and I'm wondering what that's going to do to the oil and gas industry. Since Ignateiff's pie in the sky provincial counterpart Dalton McGuinty has already pretty much wrecked Ontario's economy by hiking taxes and doubling electricity prices the oil industry is what's driving our economy. Now ignatieff wants to put a muzzle on it, halt all further development, and see how many punitive taxes he and his socialist brethren can load it down with. What's that going to do to Canada's economy? Unless the Tories have changed their minds that are too for cap and trade. http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/11/19/us-politics-environment-idUSTRE4AI70120081119 Quote
Scotty Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Unless the Tories have changed their minds that are too for cap and trade. http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/11/19/us-politics-environment-idUSTRE4AI70120081119 Does anyone seriously think the tories are going to put in place some kind of rigid cap and trade scheme? All Harper is saying is if the Americans do something we'll look to imitate it. Anyone think the Americans are going to put in something which seriously threatens their oil producers? Anyone heard of any big moves to install a cap and trade system in the US lately? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Scotty, yes I do pay taxes and under the Tories anyone working is paying for taxes. Not actually true. A very big chunk of the electorate pays no income taxes because their income is too low. I believe it's something like 40% of the population excluding children. When a foreign company decided to put the screws to the workers, my family went from a paycheque to EI and then to a small company pension, which amounts to half of what we were making and still we have to pay 1000.00 in income tax. That company pension, takes away any increases from CPP we would get. Government pensions have the same system in place, deducting CPP. What's that got to do with this? As far as corruption, every party has them. The Adscam was wrong and the Liberal support voted against the party and now we have Harper who promised a whole new clean party (Conservative/reform/alliance/party) better known as CRAP. That's exactly what this party is crap. Four memebers up on election fraud, Carson scam, Harper's communication guy invloved in the Montreal port deal, the "not", bribing a member to vote your way, on and on and on. That's either petty or very petty. No election fraud has been found yet, there's no findings on Carson of any wrongdoing, and it will probably emerge he did nothing, Soudas is a mere accusation, without a shred of evidence of wrongdoing on his part. I'm still not seeing the scandals, the millions or hundreds of thousands stolen from the taxpayer as the Liberals did. I'm not seeing the 'authoritarian' Harper try to use the RCMP to put someone in prison for defying his orders. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
cybercoma Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 I'm guessing you don't pay taxes. Would you rather the government continue putting the taxpayers in debt? I always find it funny how averse to taxes conservatives are, yet the political right in this country continues to blow cash like it's going out of style, without ever really having a plan to pay back the debt. Quote
Scotty Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 (edited) Would you rather the government continue putting the taxpayers in debt? I always find it funny how averse to taxes conservatives are, yet the political right in this country continues to blow cash like it's going out of style, without ever really having a plan to pay back the debt. I'd be willing to see a tax increase to bring down the deficit. I've said so. Add the 2% back onto the GST. I'm okay with that. What an Ignatieff/Layton/Duceppe government is FAR more likely to do is hike taxes enormously so they can implement scads of feel-good social programs. By way of example, McGuinty hiked taxes enormously, but Ontario still has the largest deficit in its history because he hiked spending by more than 60%. Much of that hike came in the form of big raises for the public service unions he wanted to maintain peace with. More came in the form of pie in the sky environmental programs. Edited April 21, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
nittanylionstorm07 Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 The only reason Iggy says he wants a coalition now is because he sees the Libs dropping to third place, and it would be the only way they have any sort of voice in the 41st Parliament. Quote
The_Squid Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Ignatieff now says "Coalition possible" Good news. It was stupid of him to say otherwise. More than 60% don't want Harper as PM. Nothing wrong with giving the majority of the country what they want. Quote
punked Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Good news. It was stupid of him to say otherwise. More than 60% don't want Harper as PM. Nothing wrong with giving the majority of the country what they want. I expect if Iggy loses to the NDP he will support Harper in order to get a cabinet seat instead of the NDP. Quote
The_Squid Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 I expect if Iggy loses to the NDP he will support Harper in order to get a cabinet seat instead of the NDP. Quite possible.... and a Lib/Con coalition would be a better fit than a Lib/NDP one. They are closer in the political spectrum to the Cons than the NDP. Quote
Scotty Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Quite possible.... and a Lib/Con coalition would be a better fit than a Lib/NDP one. They are closer in the political spectrum to the Cons than the NDP. Too much bad blood, not enough respect for each other. The Liberals have spent fifteen years demonizing the reformers, then the alliance and then the conservatives as evil extremists, hatemongers and retrogrades. Conservatives hate them now. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Hydraboss Posted April 21, 2011 Report Posted April 21, 2011 Too much bad blood, not enough respect for each other. The Liberals have spent fifteen years demonizing the reformers, then the alliance and then the conservatives as evil extremists, hatemongers and retrogrades. Conservatives hate them now. True, but if it's a matter of survival I could see the Lib's sucking up to the CPC. After all, they just spent how many years unofficially doing just that in the House. Since Ig will have to do an about-face anyway, this would be easier to swallow since no one trusts him anyway. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
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