Harper Bombs, Bye, Bye Majority

[Evening Star]

People seem to point to Ignatieff's five years in the US more than his 22 years based in the UK, a country with a stronger socialist tradition than Canada.

Edited April 15, 2011 by Evening Star

[ToadBrother]

Remember when this campaign started and the Harper and Ignatieff spinners were suggesting Layton would not be able to effectively campaign because of his health issues. What happened?

What's the old joke? The rumors of Jack Layton's demise have been greatly exaggerated. I've never seen him quite so dynamic and charismatic. Iggy and Harper, and even Duceppe to some extent, all seem to be acting like old men, but Layton's out there, cane in hand, and kicking serious ass.

Still probably won't vote NDP, but I give the man credit.

Edited April 15, 2011 by ToadBrother

[Harry]

I think Layton is a strong believer in exercise, and apparently works out for an hour every day. Probably why he has rebounded so well.

[Harry]

Oh, oh, trouble in paradise.

Anti-Harper website attracts two million hits

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/decision-canada/Anti+Harper+website+attracts+million+hits/4620053/story.html

[icman]

Harper did fine in the debate. The results of this poll reflect exactly what August was saying in another thread: How well you speak Quebecois french is more important than what you said.

Well, how is that any different in English Canada, where we pillioried Dion, not because he was an ineffectual Environment Minister (where in contrast, he was in fact quite effective), but because he sucked at speaking English. All any of the pundits and talk-show hosts could talk about was his horrible French accent and how no-one could understand him when he spoke English.

My point is, those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

S

[punked]

Well, how is that any different in English Canada, where we pillioried Dion, not because he was an ineffectual Environment Minister (where in contrast, he was in fact quite effective), but because he sucked at speaking English. All any of the pundits and talk-show hosts could talk about was his horrible French accent and how no-one could understand him when he spoke English.

My point is, those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

S

Do you remember Chretien?

[Harry]

Harper did fine in the debate. The results of this poll reflect exactly what August was saying in another thread: How well you speak Quebecois french is more important than what you said.

Actually Harper did ok in the English debate however his performance was poor during the French debate and the poll below shows it. And even in the English debate 50% of the viewers reported they were uncomfortable with his zombie-like staring at the camera as opposed to interacting with the other debaters.

Nanos Leadership Index

Leader / Apr 14 / Apr 15 / Change

Harper 122.8 / 103.3 / Down 19.5

Layton 57.3 / 60.4 / Up 3.1

Ignatieff 52.7 / 42.5 / Down 10.2

Duceppe 13.8 / 19.0 / Up 5.2

May 4.1 / 13.7 / Up 9.6

Harper advantage normalizes - Layton pulls away from Ignatieff

http://www.nanosresearch.com/election2011/20110414-LeadershipE.pdf

Edited April 15, 2011 by Harry

[punked]

Layton is building speed. The biggest difference between him and Iggy is that Layton doesn't belong to a party who's success has been built on patronage.

When Iggy goes out and says "Quebec City we will give you a stadium if you vote for us, Montreal we will build you a bride, NB we will pay for your reactor." and so on the rest of the country gets pissed. Where is ours we are left saying.

[capricorn]

Actually Harper did ok in the English debate however his performance was poor during the French debate and the poll below shows it.

I wouldn't attribute the French debate as the main factor for the decline in numbers. Although it was acknowledged Ignatieff scored a better performance in the French debate than in English, his numbers managed to go down 10 points.

[punked]

I wouldn't attribute the French debate as the main factor for the decline in numbers. Although it was acknowledged Ignatieff scored a better performance in the French debate than in English, his numbers managed to go down 10 points.

Ignatieff really didn't do great in the French Debate. He made a lot of statements which don't play well in Quebec like Defending the Afghan war which has something like a 70% disapproval rating in the province, and somethings which don't play well with Federalist in Quebec "I am no Trudeau!" and "No one cares about the Constitution".

The problem is us in English Canada here English Canada's side of the debates which are mostly about how someone speaks in French instead of what they say. I still think he did pretty bad and the Crop poll as well as the Form poll out today prove it.

[PIK]

Oh, oh, trouble in paradise.

All that show is the youth have become idiots. They have no idea what is going on in the real world and when they get out of thier parents basement, then they will understand . Notice how they all love jack, why ,because they believe if he got into power, everything he said will come true. When we adults know that jack can say anything he wants ,knowing he will never have to come thru on his promises. Where the libs just lie ,knowing if they did get back into power ,we will never see anything they have promised. Edited April 15, 2011 by PIK

[Harry]

All that show is the youth have become idiots. They have no idea what is going on in the real world and when they get out of thier parents basement, then they will understand . Notice how they all love jack, why because they believe if he got into power, everything he said will come true. When we adults know that lack can say anything he wants .knowing he will never have to come thru on his promises. Where the libs just lie .knowing if they did get back into power ,we will never see anything they have promised.

That's just shocking isn't it, that the youth have found a Leader they like and are going to vote big time in this election. Maybe the Coservatives should go round them all up, and keep them prisoner until after May 2 so they can't vote, or perhaps the Conservatives could try and steal their ballot boxes like they did yesterday.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe it is very important to participate in our democracy? And since when do you decide for anyone else who they should vote for?

When are we going to have an investigation and possible criminal charges laid for the Conservatives outrageous behaviour?

As one of the students at Guelph U said the Conservatives have zero respect for our democratic institutions.

Edited April 15, 2011 by Harry

[capricorn]

Ignatieff really didn't do great in the French Debate.

I agree. Yet most observers said he improved over the English debate.

[WWWTT]

All that show is the youth have become idiots. They have no idea what is going on in the real world and when they get out of thier parents basement, then they will understand . Notice how they all love jack, why ,because they believe if he got into power, everything he said will come true. When we adults know that jack can say anything he wants ,knowing he will never have to come thru on his promises. Where the libs just lie ,knowing if they did get back into power ,we will never see anything they have promised.

Right on PIK.

How dare the youth ask "Why should we pay 1.30/l"

How dare they ask "Why should Canadians pay 20% more for goods than our US counterparts,even though our dollar is worth more by a few percent"

How dare the youth ask "Why should we allow corporate tax cuts when these same corporation give their upper management huge seven didget salaries+ bonuses on the backs of Canadians"

How dare these youth even ask any questions.

WWWTT

[punked]

I agree. Yet most observers said he improved over the English debate.

The media just wants a horse race and are doing everything they can to make it one. The polls haven't moved at from before the election yet all I hear about is how this leader is doing bad this leader is going good blah blah blah. Fact is the Liberals are 10 points down there is two weeks and Quebec is tired of the Liberals.

So the media is going to spin it for the Liberals so they can get a race and sell papers. Iggy did bad in both. I bet if they kept him around though he would learn for the next election.

[capricorn]

How dare the youth ask "Why should we allow corporate tax cuts when these same corporation give their upper management huge seven didget salaries+ bonuses on the backs of Canadians"

I bet some youths are just itching to getting into corporate boardrooms, complete with 7 digit paycheques.

[bloodyminded]

All that show is the youth have become idiots. They have no idea what is going on in the real world and when they get out of thier parents basement, then they will understand . Notice how they all love jack, why ,because they believe if he got into power, everything he said will come true. When we adults know that jack can say anything he wants ,knowing he will never have to come thru on his promises. Where the libs just lie ,knowing if they did get back into power ,we will never see anything they have promised.

That's all true. When I was young, I was far more conservative, but have become increasingly liberal (small 'l') in my outlook as I've gotten older....oh, wait, that wasn't quite your point, was it?

[PIK]

That's just shocking isn't it, that the youth have found a Leader they like and are going to vote big time in this election. Maybe the Coservatives should go round them all up, and keep them prisoner until after May 2 so they can't vote, or perhaps the Conservatives could try and steal their ballot boxes like they did yesterday.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe it is very important to participate in our democracy? And since when do you decide for anyone else who they should vote for?

When are we going to have an investigation and possible criminal charges laid for the Conservatives outrageous behaviour?

As one of the students at Guelph U said the Conservatives have zero respect for our democratic institutions.

It is a good thing if they new what they are doing, the left is so brainwashed in this country it is pathtic. You will believe anything anyone against harper says. If the libs were in power ,when the recession hit, how would things be ,when kyoto would have cost us billions, harper saved this country from that scandal. The kelowna accord, there would have been another 5 bil, and of course govt day care many more billions. And here is a little fact for you, if chretien and martin did not clean out the EI fund and the PS pension fund, thier goverment would have show a deficit instead of a surplus during the good times at that. But not to many people have done the math on that one.

[WWWTT]

I bet some youths are just itching to getting into corporate boardrooms, complete with 7 digit paycheques.

As long as they can extract blood from a rock there will be a long list of corporations head over heels to sign them up with a multi-million signing bonus.

WWWTT

[Harry]

The University of Guelph vote was overseen by a special ballot coordinator and the votes were cast in a manner that respects the Elections Act, the statement says.

[capricorn]

Harry, the Guelph election thread is here

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18583&pid=655923&st=60entry655923

[blueblood]

The media just wants a horse race and are doing everything they can to make it one. The polls haven't moved at from before the election yet all I hear about is how this leader is doing bad this leader is going good blah blah blah. Fact is the Liberals are 10 points down there is two weeks and Quebec is tired of the Liberals.

So the media is going to spin it for the Liberals so they can get a race and sell papers. Iggy did bad in both. I bet if they kept him around though he would learn for the next election.

Exactly, you can look at the 2006 election when the media was only too happy to report on the wheels falling off the liberal campaign.

[ToadBrother]

Exactly, you can look at the 2006 election when the media was only too happy to report on the wheels falling off the liberal campaign.

The media loves winners, but it loves losers even more.

[Handsome Rob]

That's just shocking isn't it, that the youth have found a Leader they like and are going to vote big time in this election. Maybe the Coservatives should go round them all up, and keep them prisoner until after May 2 so they can't vote, or perhaps the Conservatives could try and steal their ballot boxes like they did yesterday.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe it is very important to participate in our democracy? And since when do you decide for anyone else who they should vote for?

When are we going to have an investigation and possible criminal charges laid for the Conservatives outrageous behaviour?

As one of the students at Guelph U said the Conservatives have zero respect for our democratic institutions.

One would think that if Jack does well, it will be at Iggy's expense, not Harper's. The Tory's ought to be encouraging the youth vote.

[Harry]

I would hope that all parties would be encouraging every eligible voter to vote - yes?

I understand in Australia you are fined if you do not vote - not a bad idea as long as the fine is reasonable. How about a $100. fine if you don't vote.

Edited April 15, 2011 by Harry