RADIATION THE MOST TOXIC TOXIN

[Oleg Bach]

Why is it that the international community is NOT gathering with full force to stop radio active water from leaking into the ocean - The most dangerous toxin ever created by mankind, is being allowed to get into the food chain via the sea. This poison will eventually disrupt and trigger genetic signally to create cancer on a scale never seen before - YET - we ignore what is taking place in Japan. We are more concerened about Khadaffi...which is containable - This is not containable.

The west may have nuked Japan - now Japan is incrimentally nuking us in slow motion.

[Oleg Bach]

So what are we going to do about it? Maybe we should just wait and invest our money in cancer research? Radiation activates the killer gene that is within all of us. This is a major defect in nuclear power. The idea that you can contain the spitting of an atom and suck up the juices - like someone getting something for nothing is a mistake. To enter into the realm of quatum theory and physic...and literally smash a mini-universe...releasing enough heat that only the constant pouring on of water can semi-contain...is a dangerous game. Now that the devil has been released from the bottle - we had better make an effort to stick this thing back in...The world does not realize that the more Japan tries to cool this thing the worse it gets. Eventually all of us will have traces of radio active dirt coursing through our veins. For the world community to actually sanction the building of a nuclear power plant on top of an active volcano is as stupid as you get...Now we pay the piper...No one is taking this seriously...This is not just a disaster in Japan - this is a disaster on the planet earth that will effect us all in time.

[TimG]

Why is it that the international community is NOT gathering with full force to stop radio active water from leaking into the ocean - The most dangerous toxin ever created by mankind, is being allowed to get into the food chain via the sea.

Complete nonsense. Radiation is all around us all of the time. The only difference in Japan is it is highly concentrated but it will be diluted to the point where it is indistinguishable from the background radiation within a couple weeks. Edited April 3, 2011 by TimG

[Oleg Bach]

Complete nonsense. Radiation is all around us all of the time. The only difference in Japan is it is highly concentrated but it will be diluted to the point where it is indistinguishable from the background radiation within a couple weeks.

Industry back in 1955 actually thought that Lake Ontario would "dilute" the chemical toxins that were dumped in it - fifty years later there are still trace amounts being injested by us. As for back ground radiation...that is like saying we have a little dirt in our drinking water and more mud will be fine. This does effect us...for you to utter nonsense is saying that we should not attempt to manage or have good stewardship over the planet. British Petroleum believed that the oil would also "dilute" - but it did not - it lays on the bottom - held down by chemical dispersants. That garbage will also enter into our bodies...You can't rationalize these issues by minamizing the real effects -simply because profit is more important than good health. It is not!

[TimG]

As for back ground radiation...that is like saying we have a little dirt in our drinking water and more mud will be fine.

A little more mud never hurt anyone. Same with radiation in small quantities. This idea that radiation in any quantity is dangerous is complete nonsense.

British Petroleum believed that the oil would also "dilute" - but it did not - it lays on the bottom - held down by chemical dispersants.

Wrong. 90% was consumed by bacteria that exist because crude oil is constantly spilling into the gulf via natural leaks. Of course, fear mongers like you ignore those inconvenient facts.

[Oleg Bach]

A little more mud never hurt anyone. Same with radiation in small quantities. This idea that radiation in any quantity is dangerous is complete nonsense.

Wrong. 90% was consumed by bacteria that exist because crude oil is constantly spilling into the gulf via natural leaks. Of course, fear mongers like you ignore those inconvenient facts.

That bacteria bit is laughable - bacteria don't like the taste of oil...anymore than you or I do. I am not attempting to generate fear - Just more due diligence when it comes to keeping the house clean.

[bush_cheney2004]

That bacteria bit is laughable - bacteria don't like the taste of oil...anymore than you or I do. I am not attempting to generate fear - Just more due diligence when it comes to keeping the house clean.

Sorry dude, but the bacteria are too busy eating right now to answer your post.

In the Gulf of Mexico, nature’s janitors are hard at work, mopping up the aftermath of a man-made disaster. On 20 April, 2010, an explosion at the Deepwater Horizon rig unleashed the largest oil spill in US history. Now, a team of American scientists led by Terry Hazen have shown that just a month or so after the incident, a microscopic clean-up crew had already started to digest the mess

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/08/24/oil-eating-bacteria-have-started-to-clean-the-deepwater-horizon-spill/

[TimG]

bacteria don't like the taste of oil

You have no clue.

http://www.dailytech.com/Bacteria+Breaks+Down+Oil+Cleans+Gulf+of+Mexico+/article19456.htm

The clean-up crew was a series of bacteria, like Alcanivorax, which is an oil-eating bacteria found in the ocean. This bacteria only "blooms" when oil is present, and then it feeds on chemicals found in crude oil.

[Oleg Bach]

You have no clue.

http://www.dailytech.com/Bacteria+Breaks+Down+Oil+Cleans+Gulf+of+Mexico+/article19456.htm

So we know that some bacteria like eating sugar...and the waste product is a toxin called alcohol...so these oil eating bacteria...what do they poop out...anything as interesting as booze?

[GostHacked]

Complete nonsense. Radiation is all around us all of the time. The only difference in Japan is it is highly concentrated but it will be diluted to the point where it is indistinguishable from the background radiation within a couple weeks.

That is what you said a couple weeks ago.

[Oleg Bach]

That is what you said a couple weeks ago.

Good point and it has not increase with the release of more? Some how it appears that we have an apologist for the oil and nuclear industry. A bit of petroleum distilate in your soup never hurt anyone...I lived next door to a family that had an oil take spring a leak...it got into the ground water - one daughter died of cancer - then a son died of cancer then the guys wife died of the same cancer...what are the odds of that happening...Old Joe did not mind the taste of stove oil his coffee.

[TimG]

That is what you said a couple weeks ago.

And nothing has changed in last couple weeks.

[bush_cheney2004]

And nothing has changed in last couple weeks.

Sure hasn't....but oil and coal have been killing and disabling people for decades:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-human-toll-of-coal-vs-nuclear/2011/04/02/AFOVHsRC_graphic.html

[GostHacked]

And nothing has changed in last couple weeks.

And in another couple weeks when the situation is the same, you will repeat this. They are saying it may take months to fix the reactors. Meanwhile there is still a lot of radiation coming out of the site. This is FAR from over.

[TimG]

And in another couple weeks when the situation is the same, you will repeat this. They are saying it may take months to fix the reactors. Meanwhile there is still a lot of radiation coming out of the site. This is FAR from over.

It is also FAR from a catastrophe. It is really no different from the oil spill in the gulf. The enviros ended up being wrong on almost everything but they got to gloat for many weeks while BP tried to fix the well.

[GostHacked]

It is also FAR from a catastrophe. It is really no different from the oil spill in the gulf. The enviros ended up being wrong on almost everything but they got to gloat for many weeks while BP tried to fix the well.

It is a catastrophe, and the BP well took MONTHS to fix, all the while dumping the toxic corexit into the gulf to disperse the oil and the equivelant of an Exxon Valdez spill every two days.

The containment pools were near the tops of the reactor towers. Those are the parts that blew, and #3 reactor blew stuff about 200 feet up into the air. That is no small explosion, I am pretty certain the reactor core was damaged, and the spent rods in the pools were exposed. The pools were obviously compromised, that is why the constant flow of water was needed. And that is also why you are seeing it in the ocean right off the coast where the plant is located. It's seeping out to the ocean. It's getting into the ground, everywhere in that localized area.

Since the severity of BOTH situations were downplayed, that is the reason you think they won't have any long term affects.

[Sir Bandelot]

Radiation is toxic? Nyet, comrade, nyet.

Russians washed down that Chernobyl debris, with vodka...

[TimG]

It is a catastrophe, and the BP well took MONTHS to fix, all the while dumping the toxic corexit into the gulf to disperse the oil and the equivelant of an Exxon Valdez spill every two days.

And all the oil was gobbled up by hungry bacteria.

I am pretty certain the reactor core was damaged, and the spent rods in the pools were exposed.

You know nothing. The hydrogen explosions left the building superstructure in place. There is zero chance that a containment breach was caused by them. The partial meltdown was caused because they could not maintain cooling due to loss of power.

It's seeping out to the ocean. It's getting into the ground, everywhere in that localized area.

Its seeping into the ocean where it will be diluted a billion to one. It is not a problem no matter how much you rant.

Since the severity of BOTH situations were downplayed, that is the reason you think they won't have any long term affects.

No. The situation has be grossly exagerrated in both cases. The only difference is Fukushima is still ongoing so we don't have the final data yet.

[GostHacked]

And all the oil was gobbled up by hungry bacteria.

The bacteria was synthetic and the corexit was made of several toxic chemicals, all man made. And other marine life eats up the bacteria, and then through the food chain is cumulative. Same reason why mercury in certain species of fish are a problem.

You know nothing. The hydrogen explosions left the building superstructure in place. There is zero chance that a containment breach was caused by them. The partial meltdown was caused because they could not maintain cooling due to loss of power.

Zero chance? You want to bet on that since you are so sure? Go look at the videos for the explosion at reactor #3. Look at the pictures, and tell me that twisted hunk of metal and debris is showing the superstructure is in place. And before you would not even admit there was a partial meltdown, which shows the integrity of the superstructure had been compromised.

Its seeping into the ocean where it will be diluted a billion to one. It is not a problem no matter how much you rant.

So the few thousand tonnes of radioactive water that will be dumped into the ocean is nothing to worry about?

No. The situation has be grossly exagerrated in both cases. The only difference is Fukushima is still ongoing so we don't have the final data yet.

What more data do you need? Do we really need to wait for months before the Chernobyl option is used? And it will eventually be used.

[TimG]

The bacteria was synthetic and the corexit was made of several toxic chemicals, all man made.

Completely wrong. The bacteria is a natural part of the ecosystem and it exists because oil is naturally leaking into the gulf all of the time.

The Zero chance? You want to bet on that since you are so sure? Go look at the videos for the explosion at reactor #3.

Zero chance. You are basically making stuff up at this point. The partial meltdown was caused by the interruption in cooling.

So the few thousand tonnes of radioactive water that will be dumped into the ocean is nothing to worry about?

Yes. It will be barely measureable in a few weeks even if we did nothing.

What more data do you need? Do we really need to wait for months before the Chernobyl option is used? And it will eventually be used.

The reactors are going to decommissioned. That may involve some sort of building being built around them. However, that is not the the "Chernobyl option" where a structure was built in a panic and the facility abandoned.

[GostHacked]

Completely wrong. The bacteria is a natural part of the ecosystem and it exists because oil is naturally leaking into the gulf all of the time.

I'll post some stuff later on that.

Zero chance. You are basically making stuff up at this point. The partial meltdown was caused by the interruption in cooling.

I am not making anything up. The pictures show you are wrong. The only structure that was intact was #2. 1-3-4 sustained major damage. Either you are blind or ignorant of what is really going on. You are waiting for officials who have already proven themselves unreliable in providing accurate and timely information. And the situation for 5 and 6 are still unknown.

Yes. It will be barely measureable in a few weeks even if we did nothing.

That is what you said at the start, we've been through this. It will still be measurable even though we are doing something. It's almost a full month now since the disaster, and the nuclear situation is not getting better.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/04/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T2

Over 11,000 tons of radioactive water are being dumped into the ocean.

The reactors are going to decommissioned. That may involve some sort of building being built around them. However, that is not the the "Chernobyl option" where a structure was built in a panic and the facility abandoned.

I'll put my money on the Chernobyl option.

[TimG]

I am not making anything up. The pictures show you are wrong.

You are basing your analysis on news photos???? I can't believe you expect anyone to take you seriously. As for officials. It is clear they are reporting information as they get it. Of course, you seem to believe that officials know everything and if they don't say anything then they must be hiding something. It is a naive view of the world.

That is what you said at the start, we've been through this. It will still be measurable even though we are doing something. It's almost a full month now since the disaster, and the nuclear situation is not getting better.

It is has been 3 weeks. How many weeks did it take to get the gulf oil spill under control? 6? 8? This will take longer.

Over 11,000 tons of radioactive water are being dumped into the ocean.

You have yet to show that such a quantity is a risk to anything.

I'll put my money on the Chernobyl option.

They are still planning on bringing 5&6 online again once things are under control.

[bush_cheney2004]

...The reactors are going to decommissioned. That may involve some sort of building being built around them. However, that is not the the "Chernobyl option" where a structure was built in a panic and the facility abandoned.

Of course...not enough drama in the obvious....panic is so much more exciting! Unit 1 was already scheduled for shutdown before the quake/tsunami. There was no graphite fire and explosion with core ejecta sent miles into the atmosphere based on available information, as was the case at Chernobyl. Sorry, try again Chicken Littles.