Federal Election Polls

angrypenguin · September 30, 2015

Really, about the NDP?

You don't feel this way? He's promising the world for whoever will vote for him. I really, according to you, have to share why I feel this way? Color me confused.

Edited September 30, 2015 by angrypenguin

Hydraboss · September 30, 2015

On the provincial NDP, I pretty much agree. The royalty review was needed though, the government has been loosing out on a lot of revenue in the past few decades and updating the system was a good idea. Is it the most ideal time to do so? Definitely not. But the money for supporting the public sector has got to come out of somewhere.

Concerning Trudeau, though, you got to remember that JT is not PET. Even though he defended him at the debate, mostly for the Charter of Rights and bilingualism, Trudeau has so far shown that he is willing to represent the concerns of Albertans even though he probably won't win many seats here. You got to admit, for a progressive leader, that's a good character trait to have.

The royalty review is needed, and should just bloody well be done. The wait is what is killing the winter season preparations here.

Trudeau Jr. has absolutely no ties to this province and will not defend anything about it (short of using it as a cash cow when the price of oil returns). He will not represent "the concerns of Albertans" any more than his traitorous father did. So no, I'm afraid we can't agree on that one.

<For Shady before he complains> The reason for this discussion involving Alberta is....

I think the responses from Albertans regarding their dislike of the NDP and Liberals will affect the next set of federal opinion polls.

cybercoma · September 30, 2015

You guys are way off topic. Start new threads or take it to the threads that exist on these topics. This thread is for federal opinion polling.

waldo · September 30, 2015

I think the responses from Albertans regarding their dislike of the NDP and Liberals will affect the next set of federal opinion polls.

seat projections for Alberta already have the Harper Conservatives at 28 of the available 34 seats... you want those other 6 too?

Keepitsimple · September 30, 2015

Agreed. I have voted NDP/Conservative/Liberal in my life, and I did so by voting for the party that aligns to my values the most. (Ok, before the Cons I voted for others that preceded them), but yeah, this vote splitting thing, really? People fought and died in world wars, and that's how people are voting? It's an insult.

VOTE for the party that aligns to your values. For heavens sake.

Please refrain from such posts. Common Sense is not permitted in this forum. <_<

angrypenguin · September 30, 2015

Please refrain from such posts. Common Sense is not permitted in this forum.

LOL. Thanks for the headsup.

Anyways, today's news about how Canada's out of an official recession should be nice. Projecting what is it 2.5% growth this fiscal year? Excellent news for this country.

I can't wait to see how the Libs/NDP spin it as bad news. (roll eyes)

Hydraboss · September 30, 2015

seat projections for Alberta already have the Harper Conservatives at 28 of the available 34 seats... you want those other 6 too?

Actually, I'd like to see them get exactly 170 across the country. No more, no less. I'd also like to see the Liberals completely shut out of my province obviously.

angrypenguin · September 30, 2015

Actually, I'd like to see them get exactly 170 across the country. No more, no less. I'd also like to see the Liberals completely shut out of my province obviously.

Yep. I would as well.

ToadBrother · September 30, 2015

Trudeau Jr. has absolutely no ties to this province and will not defend anything about it (short of using it as a cash cow when the price of oil returns). He will not represent "the concerns of Albertans" any more than his traitorous father did. So no, I'm afraid we can't agree on that one.

Get a grip.

waldo · September 30, 2015

Please refrain from such posts. Common Sense is not permitted in this forum.

uhhh... is your sense... common? Apparently you (and the angrypenguin member) accept vote splitting when it splits the non-Harper Conservative vote! :lol:

angrypenguin · September 30, 2015

uhhh... is your sense... common? Apparently you (and the angrypenguin member) accept vote splitting when it splits the non-Harper Conservative vote!

What? I'm infinitely against vote splitting, as I have mentioned many times.

ToadBrother · September 30, 2015

It always amazes me that NDP and Liberal types always bang the drum about "blind partisanship" on the part of Conservative supporters, but are more than willing to drop their support of their party for another that has drastically different views - just so they can vote to block someone. If these people are so convinced that the party they support is closely aligned with their personal beliefs, why are they ready to drop everything they believe in to try to influence the outcome of an election? If their ideas are so "right for Canada" shouldn't they have faith that enough other Canadians will see it their way and vote for their favored party?

Is this a Tory partisan's way of saying that the Tories are now very spooked that they will be done in by strategic voting?

Most voters are not members of any political party. They owe no party any allegiance, thus your statement appears to be fairly ludicrous.

angrypenguin · September 30, 2015

Is this a Tory partisan's way of saying that the Tories are now very spooked that they will be done in by strategic voting?

Most voters are not members of any political party. They owe no party any allegiance, thus your statement appears to be fairly ludicrous.

Strategic voting has been around forever. If you take into account that the Cons have a higher voter turnout............

Keepitsimple · September 30, 2015

uhhh... is your sense... common? Apparently you (and the angrypenguin member) accept vote splitting when it splits the non-Harper Conservative vote!

The opposition vote-splitting that seems to terrify you is because Liberals and the NDP have different value sets that people vote for. Contrary to breathless anti-Harper rants, they are not a united, monolithic bloc representing 60% of Canadians. As has already been stated, people should vote for the party that best aligns with their values. Period. That said, good luck with your ABC dogma.

waldo · September 30, 2015

What? I'm infinitely against vote splitting, as I have mentioned many times.

sure, sure... just like when the right was divided, hey! Per today's aggregate polling results, 68.2% of Canadians do not favour another Harper Conservative government.

Hydraboss · September 30, 2015

Is this a Tory partisan's way of saying that the Tories are now very spooked that they will be done in by strategic voting?

Most voters are not members of any political party. They owe no party any allegiance, thus your statement appears to be fairly ludicrous.

Hardly ludicrous. Since the thread is on the MLW board, let's just look at the comments posted here then shall we? Strategic voting doesn't "spook" me and I'm not sure it would spook the Tories either (not that I really care since I'm not a card-carrier for anyone). My gut feeling is the folks going on and on about voting strategically are pretty much the same as the ones going on and on about the environment being the most important issue in the election. It's not and they're wrong, otherwise the Green party would be running away with everything. And they're not. People like to yap about strategic voting, but can anyone point out where it has actually happened en masse? Ever? It doesn't.

It's a vocal minority. And completely ineffective as far as I can tell.

waldo · September 30, 2015

That said, good luck with your ABC dogma.

don't be hatin' democracy so!

On Guard for Thee · September 30, 2015

sure, sure... just like when the right was divided, hey! Per today's aggregate polling results, 68.2% of Canadians do not favour another Harper Conservative government.

Wow, that's grown. The last time I checked it was hovering around 62%. Let's see how nasty the Harper attack ads get now.

Hydraboss · September 30, 2015

sure, sure... just like when the right was divided, hey! Per today's aggregate polling results, 68.2% of Canadians do not favour another Harper Conservative government.

And by those same polling results, it would appear that 68.8% of Canadians do not favor a Liberal government, and 72.8% of Canadians do not favor an NDP government.

See how those numbers and "facts" work?

ToadBrother · September 30, 2015

The opposition vote-splitting that seems to terrify you is because Liberals and the NDP have different value sets that people vote for. Contrary to breathless anti-Harper rants, they are not a united, monolithic bloc representing 60% of Canadians. As has already been stated, people should vote for the party that best aligns with their values. Period. That said, good luck with your ABC dogma.

And yet, if the polls are correct, it appears that a good many NDP voters are preparing to hold their noses and vote Tory.

In part I blame the Tories for not forcing Harper out 18 months ago. Even then they had to know that going into the next election with him in charge was going to be an uphill fight, they allowed one man's desire for a fourth term override the advantages of new leadership.

In part I also blame the NDP, who, other than a national daycare program, thought it would be a keen idea to try to out-conservative the Conservatives, allowing the Liberals to move leftward and make themselves attractive to would-be NDP voters.

The Liberals are doing what they've been so adept at since the days of Laurier, and that is to be political chameleons.

ToadBrother · September 30, 2015

And by those same polling results, it would appear that 68.8% of Canadians do not favor a Liberal government, and 72.8% of Canadians do not favor an NDP government.

See how those numbers and "facts" work?

There have only been a handful of governments in Canadian history that have ever enjoyed over 50% of the popular vote (I think the count is seven). So what precisely is your point?

angrypenguin · September 30, 2015

And yet, if the polls are correct, it appears that a good many NDP voters are preparing to hold their noses and vote Tory.

In part I blame the Tories for not forcing Harper out 18 months ago. Even then they had to know that going into the next election with him in charge was going to be an uphill fight, they allowed one man's desire for a fourth term override the advantages of new leadership.

In part I also blame the NDP, who, other than a national daycare program, thought it would be a keen idea to try to out-conservative the Conservatives, allowing the Liberals to move leftward and make themselves attractive to would-be NDP voters.

The Liberals are doing what they've been so adept at since the days of Laurier, and that is to be political chameleons.

I highly doubt I would vote Cons if Harper was not in power. Like him or hate him, he is one smart man. He reminds me of Chretian back in the day. I disliked his policy, but he was a damn good politician.

Hydraboss · September 30, 2015

TB, I'm simply responding to Waldo's typical one-sided use of "data". None of it really means a damn thing, does it?

waldo · September 30, 2015

And by those same polling results, it would appear that 68.8% of Canadians do not favor a Liberal government, and 72.8% of Canadians do not favor an NDP government.

See how those numbers and "facts" work?

yes - in countries with a knowledgeable population; one that hasn't been twisted with the lies spun by Harper Conservatives about "votes stolen and democracy denied"... it's called coalition government!

ToadBrother · September 30, 2015

I highly doubt I would vote Cons if Harper was not in power. Like him or hate him, he is one smart man. He reminds me of Chretian back in the day. I disliked his policy, but he was a damn good politician.

Harper doesn't strike me as being a good politician. He strikes me as being a lucky politician, at least until last few years. Most of his electoral success came from the Liberal Party being a disunited basket case, melting down in Quebec and shut out of Ontario. Now that the Liberals seem to have got over the post-Martin decade in the wilderness, all of a sudden the Tories find themselves in a very hard race even to form a minority government.

The Cult of Harper, the claim that Harper was some sort of political genius, some sort of super man who was able to outfox his opponents at every turn, really is just mythology; a myth that was bought lock, stock and barrel by his opponents as much as by his allies. Even his survival by proroguing Parliament in 2008 only came about because the would-be Coalition was so stunningly stupid as to announce to the whole world their intent to defeat the Government. If they had done it properly, and kept their mouths shut until the confidence motion was actually before the House, Harper would have been done right there.

Even the way Harper runs his party has caused problems. The entire reason it appears that Duffy's expenses were quietly paid and the PMO attempted to sanitize the Senate expense report was because the Tory caucus was deeply unhappy about the new MP pension changes, which appears to have eaten heavily into Harper's political capital. His top-down management style, if the rumors are to be believed, have angered back-benchers and Cabinet Ministers alike.