Budget: expect Tories to brag

[Topaz]

The Tories are expect to brag about the Canadian economy and the 322,000 people who have found jobs, BUT how many are FULL time and not part time? Their next phase is investing innovation, training and education, supporting families and communities and keeping taxes low to create jobs. Most new jobs are part time and its very hard or nearly impossible to live on 10.25 for a 20 hour week. For the older workers, you can all kinds of training and education but employers don't want older workers, too much risk. Tories are also saying household net worth is up but again older workers have had to dip into their RRSP's and their saving to keep from living on the street. Some ended losing their homes anywhere. Too many of the manufacturing and forestry and maybe fisheries are still hurting so no matter how they spin it, its still not good. http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/03/19/17680696.html

[Smallc]

Most new jobs are part time

Citation needed.

[Topaz]

Citation needed.

Will this do? Also, some parts of Ontario unemployment rate is higher than the national average. http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2011/03/11/todays-job-numbers-5/

[Smallc]

Will this do?

Most definitely not. You might as well have linked to Rabble...I'm surprised that you didn't.

[Saipan]

We need more Topaz discussion threads. There are days when we get nothing new.

[capricorn]

The Tories are expect to brag

What is so innovative about this? I have yet to hear a budget where the Finance Minister didn't brag about the government's record.

For the older workers, you can all kinds of training and education but employers don't want older workers, too much risk.

I have no clue why you made such a clueless comment about older workers.

Contrary to widespread misconceptions about older workers—that they will miss work and drive up insurance premiums with their complicated health care costs, be a drag on corporate culture with their set ways, or fail to pursue new technologies--older workers prove instead to be a solid investment. Older workers, defined as those age 55 or older, actually demonstrate a strong work ethic, miss no more work than their younger counterparts, and really deliver value where it costs companies the most: they stay in their jobs. Lower turnover means lower recruitment and training costs that eat at corporate profit and stability. Older workers bring experience and reliability to the table, emphasizes Alicia Munnell, and companies would benefit from factoring the costs of losing their most stable workers into the equation as they consider their true personnel costs.

Some companies, ahead of the curve, are realizing the valuable human capital represented in their workers over 55, and are beginning to consider new programs that will address the interests and needs of this population. Chief among these are a commitment to two key areas:

* Professional development – especially training in technology

* Wellness programs that promote healthy workers

http://hiring.monster.ca/hr/hr-best-practices/recruiting-hiring-advice/strategic-workforce-planning/workforce-older-employees.aspx

Myth: Older workers cost more than younger ones and are less productive on the job.

Reality. Both concerns are untrue. While older workers may take longer to recover from injuries, studies show that they use fewer sick days on the whole than their younger counterparts, says management professor Peter Cappelli, who directs the Wharton Center for Human Resources. Health care costs are actually less for older workers, according to Cappelli, because most no longer have small children as dependents on their health care plans. Workers also become eligible for Medicare at age 65, which can further reduce an employer’s health care bills.

When it comes to job performance, older workers frequently outdo their younger colleagues, says Cappelli. Older workers have less absenteeism, less turnover, superior interpersonal skills and deal better with customers.

http://www.hrmorning.com/exploding-the-myths-about-older-workers/

Tories are also saying household net worth is up but again older workers have had to dip into their RRSP's and their saving to keep from living on the street. Some ended losing their homes anywhere. Too many of the manufacturing and forestry and maybe fisheries are still hurting so no matter how they spin it, its still not good.

Yes, in a recession many people feel the hurt.

[capricorn]

Topaz discussion threads.

Ripped from the headlines.

[Topaz]

Well, here's another news flash.... CTV's Craig, just said that he got word that the Tories and Quebec may have made an agreement on the GST, which the Bloc wanted. IF this is true, then the Bloc will save the Tories from an election. IF it doesn't, we'll to an election anyway, and this could made the Bloc even stronger in Quebec. As far as older workers, some of them who lost their jobs in Ontario, do get training, but some are also told you can take training, but you won't find a job because of your age. This is being proven true because they haven't found work. Please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about because I know too many people in that situation.

[Shakeyhands]

Ripped from the headlines.

Not many discussions here aren't Capricorn... Was your comment supposed to be a dig?

As for the OP,

I fully expect the CPC to brag, all other Governments have as well, it's what you do.

[Topaz]

Most definitely not. You might as well have linked to Rabble...I'm surprised that you didn't.

Well, how about this one? http://www.hrmguide.net/canada/jobmarket/canadian-unemployment.htm

[Topaz]

What is so innovative about this? I have yet to hear a budget where the Finance Minister didn't brag about the government's record.

I have no clue why you made such a clueless comment about older workers.

http://hiring.monster.ca/hr/hr-best-practices/recruiting-hiring-advice/strategic-workforce-planning/workforce-older-employees.aspx

http://www.hrmorning.com/exploding-the-myths-about-older-workers/

Yes, in a recession many people feel the hurt.

Feel the hurt you say? People have LOST their homes and families. I remember hearing about a man in the forestry industry that did himself in, because he couldn't provide for this family. To some families its total destruction!

[Smallc]

Well, how about this one? http://www.hrmguide.net/canada/jobmarket/canadian-unemployment.htm

How about a bit of perspective? How have we one in comparison to other countries? We have come out of this with more jobs than in the past. In fact, much of the loss in full time jobs last month came as a result of government fiscal restraint.

[Saipan]

Also, some parts of Ontario unemployment rate is higher than the national average.

Did you talk to McGuinty?

How is it in other countries now?

[scouterjim]

The Tories are expect to brag about the Canadian economy and the 322,000 people who have found jobs, BUT how many are FULL time and not part time? Their next phase is investing innovation, training and education, supporting families and communities and keeping taxes low to create jobs. Most new jobs are part time and its very hard or nearly impossible to live on 10.25 for a 20 hour week. For the older workers, you can all kinds of training and education but employers don't want older workers, too much risk. Tories are also saying household net worth is up but again older workers have had to dip into their RRSP's and their saving to keep from living on the street. Some ended losing their homes anywhere. Too many of the manufacturing and forestry and maybe fisheries are still hurting so no matter how they spin it, its still not good. http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/03/19/17680696.html

I'm sure those with those part time jobs are happy to have them and not be on EI or welfare.

[ToadBrother]

How about a bit of perspective? How have we one in comparison to other countries? We have come out of this with more jobs than in the past. In fact, much of the loss in full time jobs last month came as a result of government fiscal restraint.

I agree. I'm looking at places like Ireland, and even the UK, who are going through massive fiscal restraint programs that would make most Canadians run for the hills. I can't really credit the Tories overmuch for it, since the economic framework we have in place is the product of a number of governments over the past twenty five years, but all in all, even with a contentious political situation, we have the luck of living in a stable, reasonably well-governed country with pretty sound foundations. Quite frankly, and apart from my deep dislike of Harper's obvious distaste for our democratic institutions, I think this minority government situation may be the optimum.

[Topaz]

I'm sure those with those part time jobs are happy to have them and not be on EI or welfare.

How can you say that. Part time is 20 hours at 10.25 that would give you around 200.00-225.00 weekly. How can that pay for your hydro, water,natural gas, telephone, food, insurances on house, car and rent or mortgage? It can't, so people lost their homes when they couldn't meet their payments. Even EI isn't much help and that's also why those people had to dip into their RRSP's. I wish the media would do more stories are the people who were caught up in the recession and lost their jobs, then maybe, just maybe, Canadians would know what hardships that are out there.

[nicky10013]

I'm sure those with those part time jobs are happy to have them and not be on EI or welfare.

So you expect university educated individuals to be happy that they're working at mcdonalds? Whatever you're smoking, pass it on over here.

[Keepitsimple]

A couple of posters are plugging away trying to sell the nanny-state entitlement of never having to undergo hardship because the "other guys" will pay for it. Socialism fails when you run out of other peoples' money. The government at least deserves credit for not screwing things up. Lord help us if the Liberals had been in power - according to their own statements, they would have spent more money faster while introducing National Daycare, more EI benefits, honoured the Kyoto accord (and devastated industry), introduced a huge carbon tax, and increased corporate taxes - and that's just for starters. Our debt and deficit would have been so high it would make your head swim. Companies would be fleeing Canada just like they did in Ontario under Bob Rae.

[scouterjim]

How can you say that. Part time is 20 hours at 10.25 that would give you around 200.00-225.00 weekly. How can that pay for your hydro, water,natural gas, telephone, food, insurances on house, car and rent or mortgage? It can't, so people lost their homes when they couldn't meet their payments. Even EI isn't much help and that's also why those people had to dip into their RRSP's. I wish the media would do more stories are the people who were caught up in the recession and lost their jobs, then maybe, just maybe, Canadians would know what hardships that are out there.

So, you think they would be happier on welfare? I'm not saying part time is best, or all that great, but if the alternative is welfare (where you cannot own a home or a vehicle worth over $500), I think many would be happy to have the job.

Edited March 20, 2011 by scouterjim

[Saipan]

So you expect university educated individuals to be happy that they're working at mcdonalds?

I expect them to be pissed off with liberals that we have MORE "immigrants" looking for work here.

[William Ashley]

Job data is scewed because it is part time and temporary work. They arn't real jobs.

[Smallc]

I agree. I'm looking at places like Ireland, and even the UK, who are going through massive fiscal restraint programs that would make most Canadians run for the hills. I can't really credit the Tories overmuch for it, since the economic framework we have in place is the product of a number of governments over the past twenty five years, but all in all, even with a contentious political situation, we have the luck of living in a stable, reasonably well-governed country with pretty sound foundations. Quite frankly, and apart from my deep dislike of Harper's obvious distaste for our democratic institutions, I think this minority government situation may be the optimum.

That's about how I feel. I share your concerns about Harper, but he's the best there is right now, because he's continued the same successful fiscal policies of previous governments.

[ToadBrother]

That's about how I feel. I share your concerns about Harper, but he's the best there is right now, because he's continued the same successful fiscal policies of previous governments.

Or rather, the minority situation deprives him (or anyone else) of monkeying with the framework. I am not really particularly keen to see anyone win a majority right now.

[Smallc]

Or rather, the minority situation deprives him (or anyone else) of monkeying with the framework. I am not really particularly keen to see anyone win a majority right now.

Ahh, I'm not really afraid of a Harper majority. I don't think he would do much in the way of damage...and if he did, well, he'd be one in four years.

[ToadBrother]

Ahh, I'm not really afraid of a Harper majority. I don't think he would do much in the way of damage...and if he did, well, he'd be one in four years.

I don't think a man who despises our institutions as much as Harper does really should be given unfettered access to power. I won't vote Tory until Harper is gone. And if they put someone like that obnoxious vile jerk Kenney in his place, then that will delay things even longer.

Edited March 21, 2011 by ToadBrother