William Ashley Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) I read your link William. Nowhere does it say there would be no vote. In fact, the point was made that any change to the Lybian mission would be taken to Parliament. http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Conservative+minister+misspeaks+over+extension+Libya+mission/5350922/story.html Perhaps in your mind, any time Canada has a majority government there is no democracy. Or perhaps you believe this occurs only during a Conservative majority? No when party members say the government wants to extend the mission before there is a vote, that is a problem. Since how do you know if the vote hasn't happened yet? Saying the government wants to extend the mission as opposed to our caucus wants to extend the mission are two different things, when the NDP at this point are no go. This is as if saying parliamentary enquiry and discussion of the facts couldn't possibly lead to a scenario where the CF had no active role in Libya past sept 27th. I think that is contra democracy and contra parliament. This makes the point ever more so with Harper's Harper Government - one that he preached against mob rule in parliament - but is this the very reality of the Harper Government? Mob rule? Either the caucus has already discussed this or there is no concept of a free vote in the Harper Government - or everyone regardless of the situation is all koshure on bombing libya for a few more months just for kicks as flights and missiles grow on missile and jet fuel trees these days. The same place where the boat and lightening trees grow no doubt. They must feed on former civilian support staff job cuts. 1 Missile is what 20 jobs? 200 missiles 4000 job cuts? You might as well just given em helmets and a chance to go out with a bang. Strapem in after watching the stampede for a few hours. Ride em cowboy.. yea ha, there's only one way from here. Count those seconds! Guess they got to do something with all these huh? http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canada+orders+smart+bombs/4800255/story.html 230 in may.. how much longer will it take to drop 4x that amount? hmmmm? 1300 x 100000 = 130 000 000 $130000000 While that is $130 million in cost unsavings right there. Half the cost of an unwanted election just to..... what was it for again? 1300 bombs to protect civilians? My gosh I'm sure the civilians were saved during the Dresden firebombings huh? http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110526/canada-libya-mission-110526/ 230 between march and may and 1300 to last until September 27th? My gosh this can't be true.. NATO ran out of weapons fighting ... Libya... ... Libya.. meanwhile Iran Syria Russia Central Asia and China or North Korea and Africa all exist too, what if they fought back.. no bullets, I don't believe this. NATO nations taking part in the Libyan war are running out of weapons. Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canada+orders+smart+bombs/4800255/story.html#ixzz1WwONIutZ http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/media/127508/The-Allied-firebombing-of-Dresden-Ger Edited September 4, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
capricorn Posted September 4, 2011 Report Posted September 4, 2011 No when party members say the government wants to extend the mission before there is a vote, that is a problem. Really, how much of a problem is it. It was acknowledged that Van Loan misspoke, he does not speak for the Foreign Affairs or National Defence Ministers and that Lybia is not Van Loan's file. Nothing has changed. If the government decides an extension of the mission is warranted, it is committed to bringing it before Parliament. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
capricorn Posted September 4, 2011 Report Posted September 4, 2011 You've edited the post I replied to 3 or 4 times now William. How many more edits to go? It would be easier to follow your ramblings if you just created new posts instead. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
William Ashley Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) You've edited the post I replied to 3 or 4 times now William. How many more edits to go? It would be easier to follow your ramblings if you just created new posts instead. No, actually I didn't, I edited the post replying to your reply of the post (which was not edited since your reply to that post.) However just reply when you want to my edits are either amendments (mergers of text) or typo/grammar corrections - which often creep up in my writing online. Go ahead and comment now. This isn't congress if I need more than 3 minutes I have it. Edited September 4, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) Really, how much of a problem is it. It was acknowledged that Van Loan misspoke, he does not speak for the Foreign Affairs or National Defence Ministers and that Lybia is not Van Loan's file. Nothing has changed. If the government decides an extension of the mission is warranted, it is committed to bringing it before Parliament. Is he... house leader? http://pm.gc.ca/eng/bio.asp?id=59 House LeadersEach recognized party appoints one member to be its House Leader (a recognized party is one that has a minimum of 12 seats in the House of Commons). The House Leaders of all the parties meet regularly to discuss upcoming business in the Commons, how long bills will be debated and when special issues will be discussed. That PM's page says he is.. Is it possible that date that needs to be moved within the next 5 sitting days of parliament was scheduled? (There is also a rift between Jalil and Jibril(and the TNC council/military council) - although it could be intentional miscommunication but more or less represents a policy difference on deployment of occupational forces within Tripoli. Comments like "Canada will be a part of the military mission until it reaches its conclusion," Harper said. (said Sept 1st) http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/09/01/pol-harper-libya-future.html Edited September 4, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
capricorn Posted September 4, 2011 Report Posted September 4, 2011 Go ahead and comment now. Fuddle duddle. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
William Ashley Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) The definition of victory is always something that people try to establish. Victory to a large extent is democracy in Libya. - Peter Baird http://news.scotsman.com/world/World-News-Libya-will-hold.6829669.jp Libya will hold election and a new constitution within 18 months promises new leader -Mustafa Abdel Jalil Cost now seems to sit somewhere between $170 and $200 Million as far as I can tell. For 18 more months an estimate of between 250 million and 1 billion is not unthinkable. Well all those cost savings from scaling down Afghanistan to 500 or so personnel are being realized in Libya I suppose. Canada has about 250 Billion to apply to its costs each year... 1 billion is about 1/250th of Canada's budget or 0.4% of Canada's annual revenue. What does this get them... apparently a back seat... co-warrior, no only for Britain and France - the people "really" at war with Libya http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-mr-camerons-libya-mission-remains-far-from-accomplished-2348440.html Speaking of Afghanistan, this just yesterday -- is that a CF solider in combat gear in Kabul? NO it is KANDAHAR.. but but, didn't they leave a few months ago? http://www.stalbertgazette.com/article/20110903/SAG0801/309039983/packing-up What is this 100 Canadian soldiers assigned to a combat role... in Kandahar ON this past FRIDAY...-- but didn't the combat mission end? Edited September 4, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) The Belhaj story is providing an interesting backdrop to what is ongoing... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/04/libyan-commander-demands-apology I bet if Israel were involved they wouldn't apologize. This one goes out to Turkey and Belhaj. This is a good quote from Jibril - a leader of the TNC "“The crimes these people have committed are unforgivable in a conservative country like Libya.These people are dead and they know that they are dead, so they are fighting because they have no other option.” So why negotiate or let on that a fair trial will occur? Edited September 4, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Guest Derek L Posted September 4, 2011 Report Posted September 4, 2011 The definition of victory is always something that people try to establish. Victory to a large extent is democracy in Libya. - Peter Baird http://news.scotsman.com/world/World-News-Libya-will-hold.6829669.jp Libya will hold election and a new constitution within 18 months promises new leader -Mustafa Abdel Jalil Cost now seems to sit somewhere between $170 and $200 Million as far as I can tell. For 18 more months an estimate of between 250 million and 1 billion is not unthinkable. Well all those cost savings from scaling down Afghanistan to 500 or so personnel are being realized in Libya I suppose. Canada has about 250 Billion to apply to its costs each year... 1 billion is about 1/250th of Canada's budget or 0.4% of Canada's annual revenue. What does this get them... apparently a back seat... co-warrior, no only for Britain and France - the people "really" at war with Libya http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-mr-camerons-libya-mission-remains-far-from-accomplished-2348440.html Speaking of Afghanistan, this just yesterday -- is that a CF solider in combat gear in Kabul? NO it is KANDAHAR.. but but, didn't they leave a few months ago? http://www.stalbertgazette.com/article/20110903/SAG0801/309039983/packing-up What is this 100 Canadian soldiers assigned to a combat role... in Kandahar ON this past FRIDAY...-- but didn't the combat mission end? Read the caption/storey for the picture for the Canadian solider in Kandahar....... http://www.stalbertgazette.com/article/20110903/SAG0801/309039983/packing-up Capt. Curtis Chow is a highly trained soldier with the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan. He’s in one of the most dangerous places on Earth, with the safety of hundreds of people depending on his actions.So what’s he been up to lately? Washing cars, he says. “It’s kind of the non-sexy part of the job,” Chow says, speaking from Kandahar Airfield on Wednesday. It’s been pretty quiet lately, so they’ve been helping the logistics troops prep vehicles for return to Canada. That means getting all the dirt off them so they can clear customs. Quote
William Ashley Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) Lets see 700 million plus "atleast 500 million is 1.3 Billion - atleast" http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/11/16/ottawa-commits-to-non-combat-role-in-afghanistan-after-2011/ Funny how suddenly 300 million and 700 million don't match up on the aid front? This in contrast to the $20 million for young entrepreneurs Providing $20 million over two years to help the Canadian Youth Business Foundation to support young entrepreneurs. 1.3+ billion to a country in central asia .. 20 million to Canadian Youth. The whole of public infrastructure investments over the NEXT 5 YEARS IN CANADA is LESS than foreign aid to Afghanistan FOR ONE YEAR Providing $228 million over three years to fund repairs and major maintenance to federal bridges in Greater Montréal. Investing $148 million over the next five years to maintain bridges, dams and other specialized federal assets managed by Public Works and Government Services Canada across Canada. Providing up to $72 million over three years for repairs to storm-damaged small craft harbours. Contributing $150 million toward the construction of an all-season road between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk that completes the Dempster Highway, connecting Canadians from coast to coast to coast. ------- How can the government legitimize funding central Asia when they are racking hundreds of billions dollars in debt in Canada each year with securities borrowing and deficit spending at markup. Edited September 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Posted September 11, 2011 (edited) More signs of a divide between the military council and Jibril. I think it may only be a matter of time until he is offed like Younis "The military council rejects the idea of joining the NTC and they are considering this move an attack to hijack their revolution and [weaken] their authority. They say they are the ones who have been fighting Colonel Gaddafi for six months, and they are the ones who should represent the wish of the Libyan people," Ahelbarra said. He continued: "Sources from the military council told Al Jazeera that they reject the move and they will now ask for Mahmoud Jibril to quit. This is quite significant, it shows that differences and divisions are beginning to emerge." --- As soon as Foreign support is no longer needed to fight the war I think he will be gone. Along with some other figure that are puppets of the west. Edited September 11, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
GostHacked Posted September 13, 2011 Report Posted September 13, 2011 Embassy is getting restaffed. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/09/13/pol-baird-libya-update.html Canadian diplomats are back on the ground in Libya, seven months after evacuating the north African country, CBC News has learned. And some Canadian Forces members have joined them.Ambassador Sandra McCardell was in Tripoli, the country's capital, last week to assess the situation, and she and a team are now finishing refurbishing and securing the mission so they can resume normal diplomatic relations. Canadian troops "may" be with them?? Indeed they are with them. Quote
William Ashley Posted September 15, 2011 Author Report Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) Sounds dangerously like genocide http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-14/libya-s-sirte-lacking-food-water-as-anti-qaddafi-fighters-pursue-siege.html -- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/15/libyan-rebels-launch-sirte-offensive More signs of division Mistrata Military Council, LIFG, and NTC chop suie Edited September 15, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Zachary Young Posted September 16, 2011 Report Posted September 16, 2011 The Libyan Rebels we have been helping are rounding up and murdering black people. We should not be involved in Libya. We should not be overseas at all. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted September 19, 2011 Report Posted September 19, 2011 Nice job Harper. How many Canadians died in the making of this movie? Quote
William Ashley Posted September 19, 2011 Author Report Posted September 19, 2011 (edited) I am deeply concerned at the potential of fog of war and false blame casting on the mass killings of Civillians being carried out in Bani Walid. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/19/world/africa/libya-war/ It is a genocide. Very little credibility in this statement "Our men are not even firing back because they do not want to kill any innocent people." Mass dead civillians, human sheilds potentially being used... then them saying, they arn't firing, very circumspect. So they say Gadafii is killing the "human sheilds??" why destroy your own sheild. Does not add up. Edited September 19, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted September 20, 2011 Author Report Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) special forces operations appear to have been more productive, involving personnel from Britain, France, Jordan, Qatar, Turkey, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates, according to media reports. Rebel units in Tripoli were secretly armed so they could rise up and help take the capital, while British agents infiltrated the city to deploy radio equipment to help target NATO air strikes in a way that would avoid civilian casualties. France sent dozens of military advisers to organize and train the rebels. France also delivered arms to the rebels that had been supplied by Qatar. Reuters correspondents in the field report having seen apparent evidence of foreign special forces on the ground, although their activities were never made clear. Rebels, whose accounts could not be confirmed, also spoke of assistance from CIA agents. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/20/us-libya-mercenaries-idUSTRE78J2ER20110920 Western special forces were less involved with combat Edited September 20, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
GostHacked Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 How many Canadians died in the making of this movie? People don't need to die to see the irony of what Harper was saying. I'd rather not have people dying for others to take notice of the wrongdoings of our government. Call me crazy. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 People don't need to die to see the irony of what Harper was saying. I'd rather not have people dying for others to take notice of the wrongdoings of our government. Call me crazy. I don't see any irony........compare apples to lawn chairs much? Quote
Frey Posted September 29, 2011 Report Posted September 29, 2011 There is no place for Germany in NATO It never ceases to amaze me how Germany evades carrying out its obligations to NATO and rejects to take part in the operation in Libya. Frau Merkel justified the denial by Obama’s position who said that if Germany supports the resolution bearing on the Libyan matter it means that Germany automatically will take part in the operation, so Merkel chickened out and said "no." Weird, don’t you think? We are allies or what? While soldiers from France, UK, Norway, Canada, USA, Italy and etc. help Libyans, Germany sits silent and stays away from our common cause. The only explanation I have is that Germany is crowded with potential extremists who will start bombing the country if Germany will go to Libya. And Merkel realizes that she or someone else in the country can’t do anything to stop the Muslim disease in Germany so she prefers to keep a low profile. So why do we have to keep such unreliable allies in NATO? If you joined the club then follow its rules, otherwise buzz off! Enough of baby talks with the Germans! Quote
Bonam Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 There is no place for Germany in NATO It never ceases to amaze me how Germany evades carrying out its obligations to NATO and rejects to take part in the operation in Libya. Frau Merkel justified the denial by Obama’s position who said that if Germany supports the resolution bearing on the Libyan matter it means that Germany automatically will take part in the operation, so Merkel chickened out and said "no." Weird, don’t you think? We are allies or what? While soldiers from France, UK, Norway, Canada, USA, Italy and etc. help Libyans, Germany sits silent and stays away from our common cause. The only explanation I have is that Germany is crowded with potential extremists who will start bombing the country if Germany will go to Libya. And Merkel realizes that she or someone else in the country can’t do anything to stop the Muslim disease in Germany so she prefers to keep a low profile. So why do we have to keep such unreliable allies in NATO? If you joined the club then follow its rules, otherwise buzz off! Enough of baby talks with the Germans! Germany and Japan both developed quite pacifist cultures in the wake of WWII, for understandable reasons. Quote
GostHacked Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 I don't see any irony........compare apples to lawn chairs much? No of course you don't see the irony. And they are comparable. Again, I don't think we need to have anyone killed in order to know and see something is wrong. That video I posted, Harper is being hypocritical. Telling the government of Libya or any government to allow the protesters to protest, while letting the G-20 jackboots knock heads and detain people illegally for protesting the G-20 when they were in Toronto. I guess this is an example of one person's freedom fighter, is another person's terrorist. They are apples to apples. The irony is that you can't see that for what it really is. Quote
William Ashley Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Posted September 30, 2011 I find it funny that Saadi Gaddafi is called in by INTERPOL for "intimidation while heading the Libyan Soccer Leauge" but totally doesn't do anything in regard to the fact he was a special forces commander in Libya accused of cracking down on protesters. The red card on "intimidation" / "extortion" --- while involved in the Libyan Football League YET>... NOTHING FOR his role as a special forces commander... seems odd... any other sports administrators get carded by INTERPOL? Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) There is no place for Germany in NATO It never ceases to amaze me how Germany evades carrying out its obligations to NATO and rejects to take part in the operation in Libya. Frau Merkel justified the denial by Obamas position who said that if Germany supports the resolution bearing on the Libyan matter it means that Germany automatically will take part in the operation, so Merkel chickened out and said "no." Weird, dont you think? We are allies or what? While soldiers from France, UK, Norway, Canada, USA, Italy and etc. help Libyans, Germany sits silent and stays away from our common cause. The only explanation I have is that Germany is crowded with potential extremists who will start bombing the country if Germany will go to Libya. And Merkel realizes that she or someone else in the country cant do anything to stop the Muslim disease in Germany so she prefers to keep a low profile. So why do we have to keep such unreliable allies in NATO? If you joined the club then follow its rules, otherwise buzz off! Enough of baby talks with the Germans! NATO IS A DEFENSIVE ORGANIZATION>> COLLECTIVE DEFENCE>>> NOT COLLECTIVE OFFENSE. ITS ROLE IS DEFUNCT AS THE SOVIETS ARE NOW UNITED RUSSIA NO MORE USSR. ONLY RUSSIA. Edited September 30, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
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