Attention All Liberals And Leftwingers

[GWiz]

China....and many other nations. There is a reason for this.

Money?

[bush_cheney2004]

Money?

Is there a better reason?

[GWiz]

Is there a better reason?

What money can buy?

[bush_cheney2004]

What money can buy?

Buying things is secondary...having things to buy is far more important.

[GWiz]

Buying things is secondary...having things to buy is far more important.

So money it is (for you)?

[bush_cheney2004]

So money it is (for you)?

You are not paying attention....it is not the language of the marketplace (money)...it is the very existence of marketplace itself.

[GWiz]

You are not paying attention....it is not the language of the marketplace (money)...it is the very existence of marketplace itself.

That's what I said, money, what's a "marketplace" without money, the USA?

[bush_cheney2004]

That's what I said, money, what's a "marketplace" without money, the USA?

Money is a convenient medium of exchange....in a marketplace. China, like the USA or Canada, like to play in it.

[GWiz]

Money is a convenient medium of exchange....in a marketplace. China, like the USA or Canada, like to play in it.

Sorry about the delay... Late lunch...

It's NOT a chicken or egg thing...

A "marketplace" exists because of "money" (in whatever form it may take including barter/trade), "money" doesn't exist because of a "marketplace"...

So I'll repeat my simple yes or no question you seem to be having trouble with...

What is a "marketplace" without money, the USA?

[bush_cheney2004]

What is a "marketplace" without money, the USA?

The USA is not money. The marketplace exists regardless of the medium of exchange. The US is not owned by China anymore than Canada is owned by the US.

Hope you had a nice lunch...I had pepperoni pizza and Ding Dongs.

Edited February 21, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

The USA is not money. The marketplace exists regardless of the medium of exchange. The US is not owned by China anymore than Canada is owned by the US.

Hope you had a nice lunch...I had pepperoni pizza and Ding Dongs.

Your purposeful delusions are hilarious.

[GWiz]

The USA is not money. The marketplace exists regardless of the medium of exchange. The US is not owned by China anymore than Canada is owned by the US.

Hope you had a nice lunch...I had pepperoni pizza and Ding Dongs.

Soup, ham and cheese sandwiches, lemon cream pie...

Where, when, or how did I mention "ownership" in any of my questions in response to YOUR open ended statement - "China....and many other nations. There is a reason for this." - ? I simply responded "Money?"... You took it from there...

If YOU feel the USA is "owned" by China it's YOUR argument not mine...

[bush_cheney2004]

Soup, ham and cheese sandwiches, lemon cream pie...

Excellent...smells delicious from here.

Where, when, or how did I mention "ownership" in any of my questions in response to YOUR open ended statement - "China....and many other nations. There is a reason for this." - ? I simply responded "Money?"... You took it from there...

I am afraid we are not intimate enough yet for such immediate understanding. I require at least five dates before sex.

[GWiz]

I am afraid we are not intimate enough yet for such immediate understanding. I require at least five dates before sex.

Ahhh, I do so enjoy it when one capitulatates to me thusly; and on good terms to boot...

[Oleg Bach]

I just love how the Americans dominate your political and ideological landscape. Now I truly understand why America is so important to some Canadians...and "our" way of life.

George P. Lakoff is an American cognitive linguist and professor of linguistics at the University of California, Berkeley, where he has taught since 1972.

America does not have a way of life - it's more like a way of death...the death culture is what keeps a the status quo fat in America - kind of like a cannibalism on a global scale - who would envy a nation that is fully dependent on keeping it's populace violent and stupid - so they can send off the common patriotic goon to plunder the world while American rich sit back like gods and parrot the word democracy - and granting none.

[WIP]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I mean, it is an interesting article and has relevance to a certain degree here, but hardly applicable to Canada in any meaningful way other than marginal influence which comes through opinion related news programming from the US.

If could be that 'the right' in Canada is in conflict with 'all liberals and leftwingers' but it is hardly anything close to be called a war. As a nation we are a all very, very liberal and the few neocon types referred to in the OP are so far and few between in Canada it is hardly a contest at all. Heck, the lack of intelligent rebuttal from said neocons on this very board is an indication of how limp those folks really are in Canada. In the US, there is a reasoned response because there needs to be. In Canada, there is no need and thus no real skill developed towards those sorts of arguments all they have are weak one-liners or irrelvant slogans.

Just as an alliance was formed behind the scenes in the U.S. during the 70's, between the economic right and evangelicals, mostly through Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority -- there is the same strategy playing out across Canada now, mostly under the radar.

Right now I'm about half way through Marci McDonald's book: The Armageddon Factor, and unless the outside observer is aware of Stephen Harper's move from mainstream Christianity to the evangelical right, and the influence of advisers -- many of whom coming from the Canadian branch of Dobson's organization, then the common thread that binds Conservative social policies and political appointments such as putting a creationist in charge of Science & Technology, the shift to pro-Israel M.E. Policy, the attacks on abortion and family planning, the defunding of activist womens’ groups, the withdrawal of subsidies to gay pride events across the country, the cuts to KAIROS, and giving grant money to Bible schools, will all go unnoticed by most Canadians until it is too late to stop the destruction of traditional Canadian values. This happened in the U.S. already, when an army of politically trained religious activists invaded and overran the Republican Party, and now it's right here under our noses.

The rightest we got in the mainstream in recent years was the early Reform Party and they had to merge with the Progressive Conservatives to even be viable to form a minority government. And, of course, once they get power their entire platform is as centrist - and liberal - as the damned Liberal Party.

In those early days when Reform Party associations were forming in Ontario, it looked like a real grassroots movement....until Presto's boys from out west came in to take control.

[WIP]

Interpretation: Support the Feminist Movement - without question!

And yours is blindly following Covering Theology without question!

No one can climb on a soap box to spew out one's guts to his heart's content (as original poster is doing now) - if our military did not fight for rights and freedom.

In cadence with WIP's style of delivery, I ask:

Why do leftwingers/liberals wear their grievances over "freedom lost" so prominently on their sleeves.....and yet refuse to understand how freedom was gained? There is a clash with this rationale.

We're fighting in Afghanistan...what the hell has that got to do with OUR rights and freedoms? In typical rightwing think, freedom is gained through blind adherence to authority, and going to war to support U.S. installed dictators.

There. That's the key word. Not just every religion. It has to be Christianity.

I ask: How can the disgruntled ex-Christian overlook the fact that we live in a very materialistic, shallow world. Distractions at every turn. Where the distinction between right and wrong are now blurred. We are all humans, after all.

A climate of the "me," the "I," the "mine."

It's a culture of "It's my body!".... "I can do whatever I want!" ...

..."If I believe it's right, then it is right!" ...

..."If I believe it's the truth, then it's the truth."

How can this dis-gruntled ex-Right Wing (and an ex-Christian at that) dismiss the fact that what we see now is the decay of society...thanks to hedonistic mind-set of liberals/leftwingers.

And fundamentalist Christianity went from condemnation of materialism to celebrating wealth and reveling in materialism....especially the Prosperity Gospel branch of this tree. Contemporary fundamentalists support a political and economic system that encourages war, oppression of foreign lands, consumption and accumulation of wealth, with total disregard and contempt for those who "deserve to be poor," and then on Sunday, they nash and wail about being worthless sinners....instead of doing something in the here and now to try to make the World a better place! Right wing Christians have no credibility to criticize hedonism and materialism when they reinforce this system, all in the interest of making government weaker so that the church will have more power and authority over most people's lives.

Of course it wouldn't make any sense to a God-less person. Can someone God-less really be able to lecture on morality?

This is a false dichotomy – objective morality comes from belief in God and if you are an atheist then morality has no objective basis and your morality must ultimately be subjective and relative. And what does it mean for a "Godly" person to claim they have an objective morality? The standards of morality have changed through the ages, and there still is little more than a very rough general consensus among the morality cops on the religious right. As soon as they start getting into details, then the arguments start.

Human evolution plays an important part of morality. We're a social species and evolved with a sense of altruism and reciprocity....first towards our families and our tribes, and the trick ever since civilization started is how to extend these motivations to apply to people we are not related to.

And there have been numerous moral systems developed to use as guides; philosophers, over thousand years, have worked out from first principles and developed ethical systems that are more than opinion – they logically flow from reasonable first principles. For example, we can start with the basic principle of equality – that all people should be considered to have equal rights. We can reason that without this principle there is no way to develop a practical moral system that works. And, of course it also appeals to our evolved sense of fairness and justice. Even though there will never be a full consensus on using one moral and ethical system, they still qualify as objective, in that their rules logically follow from first principles, and are agreed upon by many others.

The difference between the religious and non-religious ethics, is not one is objective and one is subjective; it is instead that one stands or falls by its own merits, while the other claims supernatural authority and wields church authority to intimidate critics.

I also want to add that just by asking that question, you demonstrate that you cannot respect or place any value on someone you don't consider "godly," but why should you....your religion teaches that everyone who rejects your salvation doctrine is also condemned by your God and tortured forever in an afterlife....and this makes your religion immoral rather than moral, since the lives of people like me are worthless in your eyes, and may as well be dead anyway!

Edited February 22, 2011 by WIP

[bloodyminded]

U.S and Canadian military are good people, but healthy competiton is always appropriate. Both have to fight as the loonie left labels them baby killers. But this time around, anybody who tries to spit on a soldier at an airport gets their ass kicked...no exceptions. We won't fall for that crap again.

Oh, the poor little delicate flowers!

[GWiz]

Oh, the poor little delicate flowers!

Who's calling who "baby killers" these days?

[bloodyminded]

Who's calling who "baby killers" these days?

I like to laugh at the military fetishists who believe it's the one sacred cow, the single (and only) point in which "morality" matters.

Like our friendly little flower here on MLW.